Just read all the press releases this morning. ALL BAITING IS NOW BAINED IN THE LOWER PENNISULA!!!! WOW!!!!!!! They found one captive deer in southern lower pennisula with CWD and now have bained all forms of feeding or baiting wildlife! This should be interesting !

at least its a good reason for banning it, you don't want that stuff to spread.

the bad part of it is that they are already selling it and all the places that do sell it will continue to sell it anyway.

we can always hit the up!

Where is the link to this its not on the DNR website that I found. We have not been baiting for years now but my neighbor baits ike crazy

Hey Jdawg where did you see the baiting ban? I see they found a captive case of CWD, but nothing on baiting. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a ban, but I know plenty of people who will cry about it.

the bad part of it is that they are already selling it and all the places that do sell it will continue to sell it anyway.

They sell bait in states that it is banned to baiting, but its still illegal to use it

Just Called the DNR and confirmid it NO BAITING IN THE LOWER PENINSULA :peace:

Well whether you are for it or against it this will put a dent in the Mom and Pop shops that sell bait to help them get through the year. This is just one more dent in Michigans economy.

Well whether you are for it or against it this will put a dent in the Mom and Pop shops that sell bait to help them get through the year. This is just one more dent in Michigans economy.

Yeah but in all reality we sold corn at are shop last year and it sucked we didnt make squat off of it. Just got people in the store

Yeah but in all reality we sold corn at are shop last year and it sucked we didnt make squat off of it. Just got people in the store

Yeah I know there may not be a high profit margin in it, but it is enough to keep someone on a fixed income going. It just took a reason away for me to stop.

What about food plots? That is baiting. Nothing wrong with putting it out or sitting by a fruit tree as bait. Whats the difference of a food plot or a pile of corn.

this will not stop many people from baiting, im not to worried about it except that it makes trail cam pics alot harder to get

What about food plots? That is baiting. Nothing wrong with putting it out or sitting by a fruit tree as bait. Whats the difference of a food plot or a pile of corn.

Food plots are not considered feeding or baiting :noidea: .

I know this is probably for the best, but the economic value will be huge. There are farmers that just grow feed, and truckers that will loose hauling contracts, Mom and Pop stores that will loose revenue, etc. This will probably go into the 100's of millions in economic damage.

I agree with you Slice. It will be a big hit on some of the smaller places, especially up north. With gas prices up, more people are already staying down south to hunt. This will probably put a real hurt on the small places that have dump truck loads out front. Don't expect it to get any better around here any time soon, either...

Food plots are not considered feeding or baiting :noidea: .

I know this is probably for the best, but the economic value will be huge. There are farmers that just grow feed, and truckers that will loose hauling contracts, Mom and Pop stores that will loose revenue, etc. This will probably go into the 100's of millions in economic damage.

Food Plots are not considered baiting. Although it is. Its just something you had to grow for the purpose of attracting deer. No one is saying you can hunt over corn. You just have to grow it yourself.

100's of millions I think not its not that big of an industrie there is les than a million hunters in MI and I dont know one person that puts out 100 dollars worth of bait. Yes it will hurt the little guy but in the long run I think it will be a good thing for are deer herd.

Food Plots are not considered baiting. Although it is. Its just something you had to grow for the purpose of attracting deer. No one is saying you can hunt over corn. You just have to grow it yourself.

100's of millions I think not its not that big of an industrie there is les than a million hunters in MI and I dont know one person that puts out 100 dollars worth of bait. Yes it will hurt the little guy but in the long run I think it will be a good thing for are deer herd.

It is the trickle down effect. People will not make the 3 or 4 extra trips up to put out bait. This means the local economy will not have all those people eating in the restaurants or staying in the motels. The Northern Michigan economy is so fragile. Talk to the farm market owners in Northern Michigan, they make upwards of $75,000 a year on bait used for hunting and recreational feeding. Then add the mineral supplements like salt licks which are now also banned. The farmers that just grow carrots and sugar beets for baiting.

I know the old saying if you throw corn on the ground it is baiting, but if you cover it with dirt you are making a food plot.

It is the trickle down effect. People will not make the 3 or 4 extra trips up to put out bait. This means the local economy will not have all those people eating in the restaurants or staying in the motels. The Northern Michigan economy is so fragile. Talk to the farm market owners in Northern Michigan, they make upwards of $75,000 a year on bait used for hunting and recreational feeding. Then add the mineral supplements like salt licks which are now also banned.


NO I agree with you, it does hurt the little guy thats for sure. I know I have a house in Lake City I know how bad the economy is there, and across the entire state for that matter. Thats why im working in CT right now. But what I want are northern michigan deer herd to bounce back, I have a few places up there were we see good deer, but the vast majority of hunting land that we used to hunt 20 years ago yields very poor numbers. I think this is going to take pressure off of those areas and the yearlings that could pounded year after year and let the area develop. And the last thing you want is an outbreak of another deer virus in MI

Hey Jdawg where did you see the baiting ban? I see they found a captive case of CWD, but nothing on baiting. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a ban, but I know plenty of people who will cry about it.

I got a call from a solid scource yesterday that this was coming. :peace:

NO I agree with you, it does hurt the little guy thats for sure. I know I have a house in Lake City I know how bad the economy is there, and across the entire state for that matter. Thats why im working in CT right now. But what I want are northern michigan deer herd to bounce back, I have a few places up there were we see good deer, but the vast majority of hunting land that we used to hunt 20 years ago yields very poor numbers. I think this is going to take pressure off of those areas and the yearlings that could pounded year after year and let the area develop. And the last thing you want is an outbreak of another deer virus in MI

This no doubt will help the deer population. At least now the 1 1/2 year old bucks and buttons have a better chance of surviving.

maybe they should just regulate how you must spread out your corn...instead of one big pile, disperse it in an area (similar to that of a food plot) :noidea:

do they have a minimum size that a food plot has to be?

maybe they should just regulate how you must spread out your corn...instead of one big pile, disperse it in an area (similar to that of a food plot) :noidea:

do they have a minimum size that a food plot has to be?

That was the way it has been the lat couple of years in MI. By law it was 2 gallons over a 10 foot area. But people were still just dumping piles. Its better this way last thing we need is deer spreading disease's here. We delt with it once and it wasnt pretty. Much better for the herd this way

Nope, No minimum

That was the way it has been the lat couple of years in MI. By law it was 2 gallons over a 10 foot area. But people were still just dumping piles. Its better this way last thing we need is deer spreading disease's here. We delt with it once and it wasnt pretty. Much better for the herd this way

Nope, No minimum

Yes and we know how they handled that! Almost TOTAL annihilation of the herd in area 452. They gave all the cattle farmers permission to shoot any deer that stepped on there grazing fields (no permit needed). I spoke to a farmer that was bragging about shooting over 200 deer in one summer. I ask what he did with the deer, he said we piled them up over in the corner of his property and the DNR would come and pick them up. I wanted to put my size 12 boot upside his head.

article in news

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080826/METRO/808260366/1032/ENT

why don't we have the CWD problem in Texas? Does it have something to do with the climate or something..??? Cause we have been using corn feeders since corn feeders were born! Although the feeders don't dump piles....well I guess some do :noidea:

CWD is like madcow.

CWD info.
http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/about.main

why don't we have the CWD problem in Texas? Does it have something to do with the climate or something..??? Cause we have been using corn feeders since corn feeders were born! Although the feeders don't dump piles....well I guess some do :noidea:

This is are first case its making its wayt around the country. Cross your fingers and hope it doesnt come your way

Bait is neccissary in texas and other super-thick areas where you can go lifetimes without seeing deer. It also grows them nice and big:decision: . But why do you need bait in MI. I was up there this summer and there are almost no trees anywhere, where they are they are thin, and there is natural bait(corn on the stalk) all over the place!

Bait is neccissary in texas and other super-thick areas where you can go lifetimes without seeing deer. It also grows them nice and big:decision: . But why do you need bait in MI. I was up there this summer and there are almost no trees anywhere, where they are they are thin, and there is natural bait(corn on the stalk) all over the place!

i dont know where you rwere in michigan because there are definatly trees and thick forrests all over the place.

1.The only way I see any enforcement working is by first banning the sale of bait. Whats the point in banning baiting if stores will still sell the stuff?:noidea:


2.We have plenty of tree's trust me:laugh: You must have been in the thumb?

3. The only good thing to come of this is the deer wont suddnely change all their patterns 5 days before gun season when the Orange army starts dumping beets and carrots all over the place:peace:

There's a press release on the DNR site now stating that baiting is indeed illegal in the lower.

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10371_10402-198877--,00.html

Wow heres the link to the detroit news article on it. Game ranches are screwed you cant take any deer off of the ranches. Thats a big ouch for those guys.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080826/METRO/808260366/-1/ARCHIVE

1.The only way I see any enforcement working is by first banning the sale of bait. Whats the point in banning baiting if stores will still sell the stuff?:noidea: :


You can never stop the selling bait, they still sell bait in most states where its illegal. But we as hunters need to help the CO's in locating the violaters. I for one will always turn over people violating are state game laws.

You can never stop the selling bait, they still sell bait in most states where its illegal. But we as hunters need to help the CO's in locating the violaters. I for one will always turn over people violating are state game laws.

Why not????? You cant sell drugs,,you cant sell snagging hooks, you cant sell illegal fireworks. I think they could ban it, it's just a matter if they would.

I hunt with a old guy who is handicap. He can shoot a gun and shoot a bow(sitting down) but can only walk with a cane and only short distances. We built him a nice elevated blind last year so he could start bowhunting with us. He uses bait to draw deer in close for him during bow season. As much as I support the DNR and the ban on baiting it saddnes me that mt buddy will have a very difficult time harvesting a deer with his bow. But the law is the law and we will not break it.

Why not????? You cant sell drugs,,you cant sell snagging hooks, you cant sell illegal fireworks. I think they could ban it, it's just a matter if they would.

I hunt with a old guy who is handicap. He can shoot a gun and shoot a bow(sitting down) but can only walk with a cane and only short distances. We built him a nice elevated blind last year so he could start bowhunting with us. He uses bait to draw deer in close for him during bow season. As much as I support the DNR and the ban on baiting it saddnes me that mt buddy will have a very difficult time harvesting a deer with his bow. But the law is the law and we will not break it.

I think they could stop the sale next year. But I don't think some of these farmers can just plow their fields under. I imagion someone would have to pay for that and it most likely would be the taxpayers. Most of the bait has already been purchased on contracts, I would think law suits will be following this decision from the Agricultural and Business community.

JDawg you may just need to plant your hunter a food plot in front of his stand and a couple Apple Trees.

Why not????? You cant sell drugs,,you cant sell snagging hooks, you cant sell illegal fireworks. I think they could ban it, it's just a matter if they would. .


I think bait will not be sold by gas stations, party stores, things like that. But at the same time, places like your local mills will still carry corn, and places like bass pro will still be selling those acorns in a bag, and buck jam and things of that nature. But by far we wont be seeing the piles on everycorner forsale any longer.

I think bait will not be sold by gas stations, party stores, things like that. But at the same time, places like your local mills will still carry corn, and places like bass pro will still be selling those acorns in a bag, and buck jam and things of that nature. But by far we wont be seeing the piles on everycorner forsale any longer.

where i hunt bait has been baned ever since they discovered the deer with TB and all the places still sell it, even the gas stations & party stores. i dont think its going to change a thing.

where i hunt bait has been baned ever since they discovered the deer with TB and all the places still sell it, even the gas stations & party stores. i dont think its going to change a thing.

Well yes it wont stop violators from Baiting thats why we have CO's and responsable sportsmen and women to follow the laws and to report anyone who isnt. If they banned guns it wouldnt mean criminals wouldnt have them. Just because its avaliable doesnt give you the right to use it. And you have to remember it was still legal in the areas surrounding the TB zone, now thats its completely illegal accross the board, I think we will see a drastic decline in the sale of bait.

remember it is only illegal to use the bait in that area, not sell it.

I am wondering if the state or feds will go in there and destroy all the captive deer in those areas that test positive to protect the other areas where the deer are still clean? I know they can't do much with the wild population but most of the penned hunt operations may be a little different.

Well yes it wont stop violators from Baiting thats why we have CO's and responsable sportsmen and women to follow the laws and to report anyone who isnt. If they banned guns it wouldnt mean criminals wouldnt have them. Just because its avaliable doesnt give you the right to use it. And you have to remember it was still legal in the areas surrounding the TB zone, now thats its completely illegal accross the board, I think we will see a drastic decline in the sale of bait.

the sad fact about all that is people dont care. they will still buy it and use it. the CO's wont do anything about it because they are so few and far between. the state cant afford to pay them. in my area we used to have alot of them. in the past 10 years i havent even see one in the field. there all at the deer check stations.

and i agree with you, its up to the resposible hunters to not do it, and truth betold i think 90% of them are the bowhunters. the other 10% is from the orange army.

the sad fact about all that is people dont care. they will still buy it and use it. the CO's wont do anything about it because they are so few and far between. the state cant afford to pay them. in my area we used to have alot of them. in the past 10 years i havent even see one in the field. there all at the deer check stations.

I usually see a CO on opening day in area I hunt in area 452 and then not again. They come through and check campsites for permits and see if anyone has anything hanging (deer, keep it clean).

I can't imagion how many CO's it would take to monitor the Huron National Forest. I followed the rules, so I haven't had any reason to worry.

and i agree with you, its up to the resposible hunters to not do it, and truth betold i think 90% of them are the bowhunters. the other 10% is from the orange army.

See im not in agreence with you on that one. The vast majority of bowhunter I know are anti bait. But the majority of the gun hunters i know do use it. Most of the guys I know and hunt with are serious hunters and put in there time in the woods, and have no need for bait. While the gun hunters especially the guys I know who go north thats all the do is hunt feeders

I think they could stop the sale next year. But I don't think some of these farmers can just plow their fields under. I imagion someone would have to pay for that and it most likely would be the taxpayers. Most of the bait has already been purchased on contracts, I would think law suits will be following this decision from the Agricultural and Business community.

JDawg you may just need to plant your hunter a food plot in front of his stand and a couple Apple Trees.

We have late beans and clover planted around his stand(and in other spots). It may work but with 250 acres of oats and beans on the farm it's tuff to draw deer into any foodplot. They walked past everything I planted last year to go to the oats(my turnips rotted in the ground,they never nibbled on them and they were beatiful:noidea: . We will see...I was in my local Gander today and they are starting to ship all their bait related items to other stores out of Michigan. Trophy rocks, deer cane, Cmere deer etc etc...We tried fruit trees 5 years ago. We bought around 150 seedlings and planted them in the spring. The deer destroyed them in a month,every single one:frusty:

See im not in agreence with you on that one. The vast majority of bowhunter I know are anti bait. But the majority of the gun hunters i know do use it. Most of the guys I know and hunt with are serious hunters and put in there time in the woods, and have no need for bait. While the gun hunters especially the guys I know who go north thats all the do is hunt feeders


maybe i put that the wrong way. i was trying to say that the resposible hunters (as in do whats right & by the law) were 90% bowhunters and 10% orange army

The ban should work the same way Michigan's lake trout restrictions did. The restrictions came out after the rules guide was printed. No tickets can be enforced until the following year, when the rules guide in reprinted. I suspect most violators that are caught(very few) will only be warned, unless they are in violation of existing baiting laws. From what I've read, laws like this aren't working other places, like Wisconsin, and they probably won't work here, either. Personally, I believe the focus should be on a medical level, to cure, treat or inoculate. Humans have gotten, and will get CWD. It's called spungeform(I think). Dairy and beef industry stand to loose the most money. All we stand to loose is our lives. I'll take my chances on deer over beef, any day. Ay least I know how it is processed. CWD lives in the spine and brain.

See im not in agreence with you on that one. The vast majority of bowhunter I know are anti bait. But the majority of the gun hunters i know do use it. Most of the guys I know and hunt with are serious hunters and put in there time in the woods, and have no need for bait. While the gun hunters especially the guys I know who go north thats all the do is hunt feeders

This is not a mean spirited question at all, so no need to take offense.

Why is baiting deer looked down upon? I have always used bait legaly to kill deer, and think it's a great tool. I'm a meat hunter first and foremost. The farm we hunt prefers us to only kill does, so I don't worry about trophy deer or anything. I guess I just look at deer as big squirrels, or rabbits. I want to shoot it, and eat it. The sooner I shoot him, the sooner I can eat him. :lol:

I'm not a preachy soap box kind of person. I have my way of thinking, and I respect others to. Just curious why.

Ben

This is not a mean spirited question at all, so no need to take offense.

Why is baiting deer looked down upon? I have always used bait legaly to kill deer, and think it's a great tool. I'm a meat hunter first and foremost. The farm we hunt prefers us to only kill does, so I don't worry about trophy deer or anything. I guess I just look at deer as big squirrels, or rabbits. I want to shoot it, and eat it. The sooner I shoot him, the sooner I can eat him. :lol:

I'm not a preachy soap box kind of person. I have my way of thinking, and I respect others to. Just curious why.

Ben

I dont mind it when used in a legal method, if you only had the max of 2 gallons down spread over a 10' wide area I dont care the least. But every year I go up north to are hunting land which borders some 3,000 acres of state land which I bow hunt only. I go out and see pile after pile 3-4 80pound bags of corn, in a heap, or a truck bed load of sugar beets in a pile, and still to this day have yet to see a legal bait pile, and a guy smoking the first deer with a 3" spike that comes walking in. That just bothers me, trading time afield and scouting for dumping a big pile of bait on the ground. Im both a meat, and trophy hunter, I shoot 4 slick heads a year and I limit myself to 1 good buck in MI. For me with the availablity of doe tags I see no reason to shoot young bucks, but thats my choice and wouldnt force it apon anyone. I would love for are northern woods to bounce back and would like to see more 1.5 year old deer make it to 2.5.

The ban should work the same way Michigan's lake trout restrictions did. The restrictions came out after the rules guide was printed. No tickets can be enforced until the following year, when the rules guide in reprinted. I suspect most violators that are caught(very few) will only be warned, unless they are in violation of existing baiting laws. From what I've read, laws like this aren't working other places, like Wisconsin, and they probably won't work here, either. Personally, I believe the focus should be on a medical level, to cure, treat or inoculate. Humans have gotten, and will get CWD. It's called spungeform(I think). Dairy and beef industry stand to loose the most money. All we stand to loose is our lives. I'll take my chances on deer over beef, any day. Ay least I know how it is processed. CWD lives in the spine and brain.

Yeah but it has to be enforced now, cant wait to spread any diseases. And its on all the news channels, and papers. I guess if your really that out of the loop you shouldnt get a ticket but come on. By Oct im sure even the most out there people, this will have reached there ears.

I dont mind it when used in a legal method, if you only had the max of 2 gallons down spread over a 10' wide area I dont care the least. But every year I go up north to are hunting land which borders some 3,000 acres of state land which I bow hunt only. I go out and see pile after pile 3-4 80pound bags of corn, in a heap, or a truck bed load of sugar beets in a pile, and still to this day have yet to see a legal bait pile, and a guy smoking the first deer with a 3" spike that comes walking in. That just bothers me, trading time afield and scouting for dumping a big pile of bait on the ground. Im both a meat, and trophy hunter, I shoot 4 slick heads a year and I limit myself to 1 good buck in MI. For me with the availablity of doe tags I see no reason to shoot young bucks, but thats my choice and wouldnt force it apon anyone. I would love for are northern woods to bounce back and would like to see more 1.5 year old deer make it to 2.5.


Points well taken. Thanks for being civil. :peace:

Yeah but it has to be enforced now, cant wait to spread any diseases. And its on all the news channels, and papers. I guess if your really that out of the loop you shouldnt get a ticket but come on. By Oct im sure even the most out there people, this will have reached there ears.


i totaly agree with you. i dont know if i didnt say it right or not. all i was trying to say is that i dont think they have the man power to enforce it to the extent that it needs to be, an like you said its up to us as responsible hunters to do by the law.

i hope you dont think i was trying to argure with you. sometimes things come out different when typed instead of speaked. :D

i totaly agree with you. i dont know if i didnt say it right or not. all i was trying to say is that i dont think they have the man power to enforce it to the extent that it needs to be, an like you said its up to us as responsible hunters to do by the law.

i hope you dont think i was trying to argure with you. sometimes things come out different when typed instead of speaked. :D

I for sure agree with you on that, there are not enough CO's and your right its up to us, I actually quoted a different guy not you MH, when I wrote that, I believe were all thinking on the same wave length here. See The four counties I hunt here in MI, I actually have the cell numbers for a CO in each of these counties they are friends of mine, and always in touch with them. But we as a group have to put aside all the BS and jsut think about whats best for our deer herd.

This is what I don't understand about the whole situation, the problems Michigan has been having all starts with these deer farms.

So why are we banning baiting?:noidea:


Sounds like we're skirting the problem.....if baiting is going to help spread these problems....fine get rid of it but shouldn't we be looking at these deer farms too????? This is where the problem started.....These places are not ranches, they are farms were they stick 20 or 30 deer in a small pen like cattle.

This is what I don't understand about the whole situation, the problems Michigan has been having all starts with these deer farms.

So why are we banning baiting?:noidea:


Sounds like we're skirting the problem.....if baiting is going to help spread these problems....fine get rid of it but shouldn't we be looking at these deer farms too????? This is where the problem started.....These places are not ranches, they are farms were they stick 20 or 30 deer in a small pen like cattle.

the reason for the ban is so that it will help stop the spreading of it.