:peace: :peace: :peace:

:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

where did you get this? :hug:

rick

Brace Height Draw Weights Draw Length A2A IBO MSR
Admiral 7" 40,50,60,70 24-30 31 1/16" 320 $829
Captain 7" 50,60,70 24-30 34" 323 $849
Sentinel 7" 40,50,60,70 24.5-30.5 36.75 325 $849
Brigadier 8" 40,50,60,70 25-30 40" 315 $849
82nd 6.125 60,60,70 26.5-30.5 36.25 350 $829
SWAT 7 1/8 50,60,70 26-31" 34" 322 $699
/pkg $999
Sniper 7.875 60,70 27-30 34.062 312 $649

Iceman 7.125 40,50,60,70 26-30 31.5 323 $829
Marquis 7" 50,60,70 26-30 34.5 322 $749
Black Ice 7.5 50,60,70 26-30 32 318 $699
Stud 7" 50,60,70 25-30 33.25 318 $629
Rock 7" 40,50,60,70 25-30 31.625 318 $449
Edge 7" 29,60 19-29 31 308@29 $299

where did you get this? :hug:

rick

AT........:doh: :laugh:

:peace: :peace: :peace:

SWEET

AT........:doh: :laugh:


Heck I thought everyone was banned from there??? :laugh:

I sure like the looks of them but I better keep my two bows for a while! LOL!

rick

WOW.................I thought Mathews were expensive.:doh:

I dont normally like short bows but I wanna try the Iceman......:biggrin1:

Dang they all look great. I would probly get the either admiral, captain, sentinel or maybe the iceman.

Wish I was rich! :frusty:

rick

Anyone else notice the splintered limb on the Captain??



J/K I had to do it before Bunny.:peace:

Anyone else notice the splintered limb on the Captain??



J/K I had to do it before Bunny.:peace:


Don't be a hater!:hug:

rick

Iceman here I come...That bow will be sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You da man JC!

Everytime I try to leave...they pull me back in! Are they still in "in-Velvet"?

Ben

Everytime I try to leave...they pull me back in! Are they still in "in-Velvet"?

Ben

I'm not sure. was the in velvet standard on 2008 or was it special order?

was the in velvet standard on 2008 or was it special order?


Standard on all models.

Anyone else notice the splintered limb on the Captain??



J/K I had to do it before Bunny.:peace:

It's all good.......:hug:

but I bet when Mathews releases their line-up and I return the favor, Bunny will type something in all caps........:laugh: :laugh:

It's all good.......:hug:

but I bet when Mathews releases their line-up and I return the favor, Bunny will type something in all caps........:laugh: :laugh:

You know him so well.:laugh: :laugh: :peace: :hug:

It's all good.......:hug:

but I bet when Mathews releases their line-up and I return the favor, Bunny will type something in all caps........:laugh: :laugh:

YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

WOW.................I thought Mathews were expensive.:doh:

Those are MSRP prices not MAP.

They do this to me every year. I think they cant get any better and buy one or two and then they prove me wrong.

I am still going to have to hold out for a while before I get one but that doesnt mean I wont be fondling them! LOL!

rick

I was expecting one of the center pivot bows to be at 350 FPS, uess i was wrong:mad:

Those are MSRP prices not MAP.

Nice call on the ICEMAN :peace: :peace: :peace:

Those are MSRP prices not MAP.

But they still compare to Hoyt and Mathews which I have always been told are more expensive than all others.:noidea: :noidea:

Awesome, thanks for posting. Looks like I need a BowTech Brigadier a Diamond Iceman, and a Ross Cardiac 34.:cool:

Standard on all models.

My '08 Allegiance is not in the InVelvet finish.

My '08 Allegiance is not in the InVelvet finish.

If you got your 08 right when they were released it might not be or if you got it in Black then it might not as well since they were having a hard time with the invelvet in black adhering properly. If it's not either of those then I'm not sure why it wouldn't be in invelvet.

Someone on AT said the Admiral speed is 340 not 320. That would be awesome.

Someone on AT said the Admiral speed is 340 not 320. That would be awesome.

no, it's just 320.

Interesting, they kept the 82nd but dropped the 101st? :noidea:

no, it's just 320.

That's odd that the single cam Iceman would be faster than the Admiral with a tiny bit more brace height????

I am now drooling on the keyboard. The Iceman is the perfect bow :eek: :eek: :typing: Ps: I'm almost willing to bet money that all the medium to high quality bows will have short stops or alike from every major company.

That's odd that the single cam Iceman would be faster than the Admiral with a tiny bit more brace height????

yeah, but you gotta remember that the Marquis was 20 fps faster than the General with only 1.25" less brace.

Interesting, they kept the 82nd but dropped the 101st? :noidea:

shoulda dumped both of them...:tape:

That's odd that the single cam Iceman would be faster than the Admiral with a tiny bit more brace height????

seems weird to me as well....pretty good numbers and I love bowtech, but it is time for me to change it up a bit. I will hunt with my Allegiance this year though. She has much killing left in her!

the iceman looks too sweet! single cam! im getting one!
but the name, iceman they should have made a maverick and a goose too!:doh: :doh: :doh:

Seem coming out early they get a jump on others.
DB

the iceman looks too sweet! single cam! im getting one!
but the name, iceman they should have made a maverick and a goose too!:doh: :doh: :doh:

Somebody needs to stop watching old re-runs and spend more time in the woods :laugh:

I was thinking Bowtech Badass might be a good name for one! :peace:

rick

nice i cant wait to see what all the other companys come out with.

Seem coming out early they get a jump on others.
DB

Apparently these pics were leaked by a dealer, against Bowtech's wishes...

These are the OP's (on AT) only posts....

While the pics are no doubt real, the specs may not be 100 percent correct. We will know more October 1.

In the mean time...I shall be dreaming of a Admiral, a Sentinel, and a Iceman (gay name though):noidea:

Apparently these pics were leaked by a dealer, against Bowtech's wishes...

These are the OP's (on AT) only posts....

While the pics are no doubt real, the specs may not be 100 percent correct. We will know more October 1.

In the mean time...I shall be dreaming of a Admiral, a Sentinel, and a Iceman (gay name though):noidea:

I just talked to my rep and the specs are very close to what is listed.

I just talked to my rep and the specs are very close to what is listed.

Nice............:rockon:

http://www.3dshoots.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11302&stc=1&d=1222127909

The more I look at this particular bow, the more I like it....look at HOW STOUT this thing looks....BOMBPROOF!:amen:

I was thinking Bowtech Badass might be a good name for one! :peace:

rick

BUT they do have a bow called the STUD ! :bowl: Makes you wonder what the bow does in it's spare time... :lol:

Ron

Rep said the number of moving parts is half of last years bow and tolerances are much tighter. Less parts, tighter tolerances == quieter and less vibration. Should be interesting. Should have bows around the first week of October.

In the mean time...I shall be dreaming of a Admiral, a Sentinel, and a Iceman (gay name though)


Tell that to Chuck Liddel! :biggrin1:

I cant wait to see them in person

rick

Things look good. Know just have to see which one i want already leaning toward the Sentinel.:usa:

Oh and get this.

The new Razor Edge comes in two weights
15-29 lbs and
29-60 lbs. Huge adjustability.

Oh and supposedly no more multiple mods, they will have the sliding mods that accomodate all DL's.

Oh and supposedly no more multiple mods, they will have the sliding mods that accomodate all DL's.


Reee-heallly!?

those cams look familiar.....

I see they changed the position of the string supressor - probably a good thing.

http://www.3dshoots.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11302&stc=1&d=1222127909

The more I look at this particular bow, the more I like it....look at HOW STOUT this thing looks....BOMBPROOF!:amen:

ummmm, care to put money on that one???

I have HISTORY on my side here:noidea:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ummmm, care to put money on that one???

I have HISTORY on my side here:noidea:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Blah, blah, soloblah............:lol:

Blah, blah, soloblah............:lol:

so I guess thats a NO DICE, on the bet??

are you scared?

Timebomb will tell........

seems weird to me as well....pretty good numbers and I love bowtech, but it is time for me to change it up a bit. I will hunt with my Allegiance this year though. She has much killing left in her!

Whatcha leaning towards? I think Elite will be my next bow purchase.
Ben

so I guess thats a NO DICE, on the bet??

are you scared?

Timebomb will tell........

Blah, blah blah!:biggrin1:

rick

In the mean time...I shall be dreaming of a Admiral, a Sentinel, and a Iceman (gay name though):noidea:

I kind of like the military theme. I think its really awesome that some of the proceeds go to the TAPS organization. Very thoughtful. :amen:

[QUOTE=BowhuntnHoosier;193219]Anyone else notice the splintered limb on the Captain??QUOTE]

ok i know im kinda new here but in the sprit of fun i have been saving this for just the right moment

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[QUOTE=BowhuntnHoosier;193219]Anyone else notice the splintered limb on the Captain??QUOTE]

ok i know im kinda new here but in the sprit of fun i have been saving this for just the right moment

hay hoosier better check YOUR limbs i think there warped...

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL65/1276235/3037888/335780818.jpg
haha

Bowtech's rule


THE FUNNIEST PICTURE EVER I THINK:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i knew you would like it hehehe

that dude hasa HUGE finger:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Funny stuff Bunnybutt.....:biggrin1:

Nice picture too.....good work.

his doinker has a waggle in it.........:D

his doinker has a waggle in it.........:D

haha he said doinker!!!

Ohh!!! Someones gonna be in trouble for letting th cat out of the bag!:tape: I'm glad they did though.:D

Great looking bows.:rockon: They got rid of the Allegiance.:doh: :frusty:

talked to the bow shop guy today and said look close at the pivot point on the admiral iceman and all bows with the split riser...
no pin in the pivot point ???
i wonder why they did this ?
good ? or bad ??
what do you think??

talked to the bow shop guy today and said look close at the pivot point on the admiral iceman and all bows with the split riser...
no pin in the pivot point ???
i wonder why they did this ?
good ? or bad ??
what do you think??


Solid riser...3 e-clips TOTAL! And those are on the roller guard.

NONE on the axles.....

These bows may not be "speed" bows in excess of 330 fps - but they ARE pushing the limits of engineering!

[QUOTE=BowhuntnHoosier;193219]Anyone else notice the splintered limb on the Captain??QUOTE]

ok i know im kinda new here but in the sprit of fun i have been saving this for just the right moment

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Bowtech's rule

Thats one wild pic:lol: :lol: ...........they might be warped but they are not gonna explode like some other I know of.:tape:

Its going to be nice to see the prices on the classifieds of the 08 Bowtechs and Diamonds. Bet that Iceman would be a nice shooter.

Its going to be nice to see the prices on the classifieds of the 08 Bowtechs and Diamonds. Bet that Iceman would be a nice shooter.


Looking for a 08 Guardian in Brush myself..........after X-mas!:decision:

Looking for a 08 Guardian in Brush myself..........after X-mas!:decision:

what no General??:lol:

Some of those 09 bow names.....:noidea:

what no General??:lol:


Nope....I LOVED that Guardian...wish I never sold it!:amen:

no commander also glad i got my 07 when i did!
sooooo how many new mathews are they going to have next year????

got to give bowtech cred Big line lots of new bows lots of new tec involved in this line from what i can see and have heard.

Mathews for 09..............who knows they already put there bows on a diet, then shrunk and stretched them out. Should be interesting.

Whatcha leaning towards? I think Elite will be my next bow purchase.
Ben

Bingo...I don't know if I can wait either. Don't tell Pink :tape:

Bingo...I don't know if I can wait either. Don't tell Pink :tape:

Elite is like Bowtech with superior limbs.

Ben

Nope....I LOVED that Guardian...wish I never sold it!:amen:


You arent the only one. I traded mine off early this year and wished I had never done it. Just got me another one the other day! ;)

I did read somewhere the other day that the new bowtechs have different limbs on them but I dont know if that is true or not.

rick

from Matt/Pa who's on the Bowtech pro staff:

Limbs:
You can see the "Bolt Through" axle design (See the lack of E-clips?) The limb tips are beefier and incorporate a thick metal "U" channel that covers the strees areas of the limb tip to make it bulletproof. The entire unit is then drilled through after fitting for precision. That bolth through axle system also increases the limb tip tolerances by not relying on plastic washers/spacers or having to allow just enough "slop" to get e-clips on the ends.
The limbs themselves have a new process and materials that I can't really explain because I don't have the technical data on it........but it is supposed to be on Bowtech's website shortly after Oct 1st launch outlining the entire limb make up and science behind them. after the General recall I think it's important that people understand that the limbs have been addressed to rpevent any chance of that happening again.

Center Pivot:
You can see as Wash mentioned a lack of a top cap........in reality all you guys with older CP bows? Yours really doesn't need it either.(but leave it on!)
You can see the pivoting rocker / limb cup design peeking out alongside the limbs. I saw one without limbs on it and this is a really smooth floating /pivoting sort of deal that will keep the limbs from simply levering around a static hard unit. Gone is the actual moving center pivot arm and a bunch more e-clips.
I think there are actual bearings in that unit but I'm not positive?

As with the limb tips, the less loose additional parts such as e-clips and washers and spacers etc that a bow has........the quieter it will be without all that stuff moving around under vibration.

Cams:
Again they were described well.........the module simply rotates to the desired position in 1/2" increments and tightened back down. No more messing with additional mods if you want to fine tune draw length or set them up at a shop for customers. A couple turns of the wrench and you have everything you need built into the bow.
Draw stop is adjustable for fine tuning valley and let-off hence the shape and design. It gives more possible contact positions along the outer radius.

Limb Bolts:
HArd to see in the pictures but the limb bolts are extremely long........on purpose. They will allow the user or shop to completely relax the bow to service, install peeps etc.

Speed:
Here's an interesting thing for you guys to consider. For 2009 Bowtech will establish their speed ratings based upon the average speed shot by an actual "Pilot run" of bows. Not one or 2 tweaked and retweaked prototypes and then find out the production bows are a little slower, or worse yet what some other manufacturers do........inflate the bows specs (increased draw length and/or weight) in hopes that the end user isn't smart enough to check or care that they aren't REALLY doing what they say they are.
Bowtech will take the pilot run, average the speed of every bow shot (dozens of actual production bows) and place that number into the upper end of the speed rating. This will ensure that every bow will hit the speeds we advertise and some should even reach the very top of the range at the specs we say they are.
This way hopefully people are happy when they see a bow rated at 317-325fps come in at 324fps rather than 317.

To illustrate what I was talking about with TRUE speed ratings.....Bowtech has in their possession pretty much every production bow out there from other manufacturers, only smart to see what everyone else is doing performance wise.

Well we took a measured AMO 28" / 70# Bowtech Sentinel and shot an exactly 350gr test arrow through the chrono graph at 305fps. The Sentinel is rated 317-325, so BAM!, it's dead on high end speed rating for that one which was a production bow off the line.

Next we took a "Speed" bow from "Another" manufacturer rated to the mid to upper 340's that has only 1/4" more brace height. After having to set the draw length BACK to AMO 28" and turn the draw weight BACK to 70# to get the bows to match we again shot the same 350gr arrow...........and got a whopping 308fps apples to apples.

That's 3fps difference real life from a bow that is ADVERTISED as being 21fps faster.

3/4" long in AMO draw length and 3lbs heavy on shipped weight equals .whoops maybe an extra 10-12 fps?
Knowledge is power, and some of these manufacturers count on you being dumb or your shop not caring because that "fake" chrono number is selling bows. Demand more from your equipment and hold them to what they claim.........same goes for us. Learn how to check these things and not just take the maker's word for it.

Mass Weight:
I don't know the actual listed weights yet but I do know as Wash mentioned that the Admiral is quite a bit lighter than the General, something like 4# even I think?
IMO the Admiral is simply the single nicest feeling , balancing and shooting little hunting bow I've ever seen. I dont' expect anyone to take my word for it, you just have to handle one yourself to understand........

Dealer photos of the Admiral.....

the Swat........

are those suppresers perminent mount or are they removable??

so no rear stab hole??:noidea:

I dont think you would need a rear stabilizer hole would you? They look great. I like the idea of not having to change modules too. That would be very handy

rick

I dont think you would need a rear stabilizer hole would you? They look great. I like the idea of not having to change modules too. That would be very handy

rick

why not?.......

I dont think you would need a rear stabilizer hole would you? They look great. I like the idea of not having to change modules too. That would be very handy

rick

Rear stabilizer hole is not used just for an STS. V-Bar mounted in the rear stab hole feels better than the front mounted ones. To me anyhow. I do not use a v-bar though but some love them.:peace:

the only thing I would ever want one for is the CSS from meanv but these bows already have that taken care of

rick

the only thing I would ever want one for is the CSS from meanv but these bows already have that taken care of

rick


you ever shoot open class??:noidea:

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But I am also wondering if the suppressor is removable?

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But I am also wondering if the suppressor is removable?

its gotta be removable, BUT I dont see how.......:noidea: