Enough of all this "Woe is me crap". Obama has won and prayers are needed to help him along his presidency. We now more than ever have to stand as Americans. Only 2 presidents have walked into snafu's like Obama is undertaking. Roosevelt took over a the start of the Great Depression. (A Democrat) and thru WW II and turned this Country into a Super Power and Abe Lincoln ( A Republican (Sorry Smokes) (Formally of the "Whig" party)) and kept the United States as united.

We talk Democrats vs Republicans. When Bush took over from Clinton, the United States was operating in the green. Now we are operating in an all time record deficit. Since the Republicans took over we have record trade deficits. record unemployment, Wars going on in 2 countries. North Korea became a rogue nuclear power, Iran approaching nuclear Technology. Vensueala (anti American) becoming a continental leader in South America. The worse possible recession/depression since the Great Depression. Record OIL Prices with the oil companies blantantly admitting to record profits. The almost collapse of our banking system and stock markets causing a financial turmoil thru out the whole world and possibly losing Super power Status of the United States in the worlds financial organizations. An all time anti American opinion thru-out the world The weakest anti-immigration policies, Auto Mfgs. going bankrupt. Highest medical costs ever.

We say this has happened since Democrats took over Congress. Well the Democrats never took over Congress. The House was held by the Democrats with the slimest margin virtaully making it ineffective. The Senate was dead-locked at 49/49 , even, with 2 independents( in which Lieberman voted almost exclusively along republican lines) and a Republican President. So how do we blame the Democrats.

We talk about Taxes. Sure some of our taxes did fall. The government just borrowed money from the Worlds Banking system to finance everything. And we all know what happens when your credit over extends. Someone has to pay the bills. And now the democratic party is going to have to increase the taxes, not only to continue running but to pay off the deficit we owe the World's Banks. We talk about giving our money to the poor. Once again, during the Bush Admistration, we have added to the poor and homeless, and unemployeed at a level that was unprecedented since the Great Depression. Granted the system is flawed and needs to be revised.

I voted McCain and lost. but I don't blame either party for our woes. I DO BLAME the Bush Admistration. I think in years to come it will overshadow others as the worst admistration ever. With the people Bush surrounded himself with,, I believe it was doomed from the start. I don't like Carl Rove, Rumsfield nor Cheney.

I think we should unite as Americans, Pray and hope for the best. Especially during the transitioal period because this is when a Government is at it's weakest.

I wouln't have wanted to be either canditate walking into this mess the Bush admistrations is leaving.
And I repeat. I am neither Democrat nor Republican. I vote my own mind. But try to put the blame where it do, Including on myself.

Don't blame the Party, Blame the Admistration.

I have to agree... I'm bullfiddle and I approve this message...:peace: :peace: :peace:

I agree, maybe just a little bit. But remember, different EVENTS (9/11) happen during different presidencies. I don't think we can always judge a Presidents term by party or even outcome, we will never now how the 9/11 mess would have turned out if a Dem was in office. It could have been better or we could be worse off, we will never know for certain. Different situations lead to different actions. I agree that he is going to be our President and I will do my best to support him as our President, that doesn't mean I have to agree with decisions made.

I get so tired of people bashing Bush, they need to learn to respect the Position even if they don't respect the person.

I will just continue to pray that the Dems won't tax me out of my home.

I told Brent, since he just lost his job, we will be just fine with the Dems taking over, all of YOU can now pay our way :lol: :lol: :lol: j/k

I am sorry but there is more than walking into a snafu or taxes here. Just plain sorry.

Iraq may have been a mistake. Pull out before the country is half stable and it will turn back to what it was 9 years ago. Our men and women in uniform who gave their loves, would have done it for nothing. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama's liberal ways are not the views of the majority of the working class that does pay taxes. I know that this does not apply to those that fall into the 40% that don't pay. I would like to think that my taxes that I pay are going toward the good of the country. Schools, highways, defense, and building a stronger nation. Not going to some poor person that don't want to hold a job. Why should they when the government will hand it to them. They will not help themselves. They will buy a car or a TV. Wealth redistribution is not patriotic. That is socialism. Plain and simple. If you want it, go and work for. Just as every other sucessful person had to do.

It does burn my tail to pay taxes and work for what I have. Only to fall on hard times and need some help. NOPE. I am the wrong color and I made too much money for any help. Never mind the shape that I would be in. What I had done takes away from what I could get.

The economy was democrats all the way. They were the ones with their hand in the cookie jar. They were the ones with the books that were doctored for the American people to think that all was good. Ole boy Barney was the one telling everyone that he could see no problem. He had the books.

I don't think it is patriotic one bit for my burden to be greater so that someone elses can be less. :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

the trade deficit has fallen recently, unemployment is half of what it was under Carter. Clinton SOLD North Korea their nuclear technology..........:wave:

I forgot to add that no one is looking at the fact that 94.5% of Americans are still working. All we can do is look at the negative things???? Are we to pitty the ones that bought houses that they could not afford??? What about giving a break to the people that are paying for their houses??? What about the ones that are working and doing for themselves??

Record gas prices are something that is made up from a long time ago. Bush has called for drilling since 2000. Can't blame Bush for that one.

Blame big oil? That is a good one. They are no different than any other company out there. They want to make money. I guess that if Dell computers posted a record profit that we would be screaming that computer prices are too high. Nobody said a word about the banker walking away with a big bonus for making his bank money untill the banking mess started. They were making record profits. That has been all over the news for the last few years. Only now has that gotten our attention.

Nobody is screaming over a U.S senator making $167,000 a year buying a $1.4 million dollar home. Talk about making a profit. That house note would be over $8,000 a month. Dang near what they make a month.

Wake up America. The rug is being pulled over our eyes and we are just suppoed to like it????

Most of the deficit is from the war...Billions a month will hurt any country!!!

Also- Lets add Al Gore to the list...Global warming? He isnt a scientist,he is a politician,what a fruit cake!!! I think he is the not so mighty "brain" leader of the goof troop...He got way too much praise in a field he is NOT qualified to represent!!!!

I am sorry but there is more than walking into a snafu or taxes here. Just plain sorry.

Iraq may have been a mistake. Pull out before the country is half stable and it will turn back to what it was 9 years ago. Our men and women in uniform who gave their loves, would have done it for nothing. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama's liberal ways are not the views of the majority of the working class that does pay taxes. I know that this does not apply to those that fall into the 40% that don't pay. I would like to think that my taxes that I pay are going toward the good of the country. Schools, highways, defense, and building a stronger nation. Not going to some poor person that don't want to hold a job. Why should they when the government will hand it to them. They will not help themselves. They will buy a car or a TV. Wealth redistribution is not patriotic. That is socialism. Plain and simple. If you want it, go and work for. Just as every other sucessful person had to do.

It does burn my tail to pay taxes and work for what I have. Only to fall on hard times and need some help. NOPE. I am the wrong color and I made too much money for any help. Never mind the shape that I would be in. What I had done takes away from what I could get.

The economy was democrats all the way. They were the ones with their hand in the cookie jar. They were the ones with the books that were doctored for the American people to think that all was good. Ole boy Barney was the one telling everyone that he could see no problem. He had the books.

I don't think it is patriotic one bit for my burden to be greater so that someone elses can be less. :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

Keep to the facts and rational arguements. I agree with most you have said, but do not fall into the trap of associating things with race.

Remain Civilized!!!!!

Enough of all this "Woe is me crap". Obama has won and prayers are needed to help him along his presidency. We now more than ever have to stand as Americans.

I'm out.

I ain't whining but I am remaining partisan. :amen:

I'll pass! If you are looking for someone to give him a chance don't look to me. He words and actions (before running for president, not the rhetoric from the campaign trail) prove what his beliefs are, just because he was elected president doesn't mean he is any different than he was before.

I am remaining optomistic even though I voted for McCain...I will give him a chance...America voted,,he is president elect...I will say he needs to help middle class america and our power issues...When the middle class struggle,america struggles...

This type of economy bail out has happened 3 other times in American history...Some say if you want to know the future ,you need to look at the past...It can be done!!!Each time we rose above and came out of it more powerful...

He will have alot of state to state issues to deal with,we have to give him time to do so..

I set back now and look at his Campaign...He flat out packed McCain's lunch...The truth is the truth and that is what I seen happen...

I'll pass! If you are looking for someone to give him a chance don't look to me. He words and actions (before running for president, not the rhetoric from the campaign trail) prove what his beliefs are, just because he was elected president doesn't mean he is any different than he was before.
True,but..
It doesnt mean he cant change either...

We have to give him a chance...Nothing we can but hope and pray,,well maybe Impeech LOL...

I am remaining optomistic even though I voted for McCain...I will give him a chance...America voted,,he is president elect...I will say he needs to help middle class america and our power issues...When the middle class struggle,america struggles...

This type of economy bail out has happened 3 other times in American history...Some say if you want to know the future ,you need to look at the past...It can be done!!!Each time we rose above and came out of it more powerful...
He will have alot of state to state issues to deal with,we have to give him time to do so..

I set back now and look at his Campaign...He flat out packed McCain's lunch...The truth is the truth and that is what I seen happen...

Let's say it will work....more than likely, even though it happened in the end of Bush's administration, Obama will be the one to recieve the credit for it in future years.:dizzy:

Not trying to get hung up on race. But when you apply for government help and race is on the application, can't help but be an issue. When a person goes for government help and race determines what income level is the cut off point. That is an issue.

I did not make the rules. I just have to live with them. We don't have to make race an issue, our government has done a good job of that.

Obama's race was not an issue with me, his ideas were, are and will be.

I graduated high school with 124 fellow students. We all had the same oppertunities in life. Some choose to do something with their lives and some did not. That is not my fault, nore my responsibilty to support them.

Doing my part is not a problem for me. Being an American and paying my taxes is part of living here. Just because I made something of myself is not a reason to punish me and raise my tax percentage rate. Taxes should be a flat rate for all. 10-15%. A person making $50,000 a year would pay $5,000 @ 10%. A person making $100,000 would pay $10,000. No problem. What use is double the work for only have the money? There is a problem somewhere.

Not trying to get hung up on race. But when you apply for government help and race is on the application, can't help but be an issue. When a person goes for government help and race determines what income level is the cut off point. That is an issue.

I did not make the rules. I just have to live with them. We don't have to make race an issue, our government has done a good job of that.

Obama's race was not an issue with me, his ideas were, are and will be.

I graduated high school with 124 fellow students. We all had the same oppertunities in life. Some choose to do something with their lives and some did not. That is not my fault, nore my responsibilty to support them.

Doing my part is not a problem for me. Being an American and paying my taxes is part of living here. Just because I made something of myself is not a reason to punish me and raise my tax percentage rate. Taxes should be a flat rate for all. 10-15%. A person making $50,000 a year would pay $5,000 @ 10%. A person making $100,000 would pay $10,000. No problem. What use is double the work for only have the money? There is a problem somewhere.

Great idea except a person only making 40.000 ayear cannot affrord to lose a 10 or 15 percentage rate as well as a person earning a 250.000 paycheck.According to your therory then a person buying a car should only pay 1 % of his annual income for it. Then the Caddillac I buy at my 40000 dollar income would be only 4000 and at the 250.000 income would be 25.000. Same logic. Remember the basics, bread butter milk etc are the same prices for all.

Well, for me the answer is becoming more clear. I spent the morning angry and stewing over the future of our nation, but in the back of my mind one thing kept nagging at me.

Back in September of the year 1997 I stood before the American Flag and gave an oath to follow and support the Command and Cheif of the United States. As those days now funnels through my mind I can not recall naming President Clinton or President Bush specifically.

Now, even though I no longer wear green, I will keep my oath to support the President of the United States, whoever he may be. I am not doing this happily, but out of obligation and possibly he will actually turn out to be what this country needed.

I, though, will put all inabitions aside and support President Barack Hussein Obama, until such a time as he leaves office.

Formerly SGT L*** Clementz, US Army JAG Corp.
10th Aviation Brigade, Fort Drum, New York

(This does not mean I will feel obligated to vote for him, EVER)

Let's say it will work....more than likely, even though it happened in the end of Bush's administration, Obama will be the one to recieve the credit for it in future years.:dizzy:

Only if he makes the rite choices....We have to look at the other hand....It could get worse!!!

This is just the beginning of the bail out...Passing one bill isnt a fix...Its just a start..

Obama has a full plate going in and America cant afford left overs...Alot of serious issues that need addressed rite now...Same deal if McCain won,we need help...

I totally understand what you mean,no it is not rite...It all happened at the end of his term...He cant run again...It doesnt matter which one took the seat.they have to find a way to make it work and to stay out of this in the future...They knew it was coming,we cant afford to pay for all the baby boomers to begin with..Look how many have to come out of retirement...I will stop there,I usually stay out of these,at least i try to....

We will see ...

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Great idea except a person only making 40.000 ayear cannot affrord to lose a 10 or 15 percentage rate as well as a person earning a 250.000 paycheck.According to your therory then a person buying a car should only pay 1 % of his annual income for it. Then the Caddillac I buy at my 40000 dollar income would be only 4000 and at the 250.000 income would be 25.000. Same logic. Remember the basics, bread butter milk etc are the same prices for all.

under current tax law, someone making $40,000 filing sngle pays $6,344 and the same person making $250,000 pays $68,251. it looks like he wants to give both people a tax cut.

under current tax law, someone making $40,000 filing sngle pays $6,344 and the same person making $250,000 pays $68,251. it looks like he wants to give both people a tax cut.

good, now I dont have to type it.......:usa:

I forgot to add that no one is looking at the fact that 94.5% of Americans are still working. All we can do is look at the negative things???? Are we to pitty the ones that bought houses that they could not afford??? What about giving a break to the people that are paying for their houses??? What about the ones that are working and doing for themselves??

Record gas prices are something that is made up from a long time ago. Bush has called for drilling since 2000. Can't blame Bush for that one.

Blame big oil? That is a good one. They are no different than any other company out there. They want to make money. I guess that if Dell computers posted a record profit that we would be screaming that computer prices are too high. Nobody said a word about the banker walking away with a big bonus for making his bank money untill the banking mess started. They were making record profits. That has been all over the news for the last few years. Only now has that gotten our attention.

Nobody is screaming over a U.S senator making $167,000 a year buying a $1.4 million dollar home. Talk about making a profit. That house note would be over $8,000 a month. Dang near what they make a month.

Wake up America. The rug is being pulled over our eyes and we are just suppoed to like it????

No other industry comes to mind right now that has such contol of a product that is an essential to our economy. Granted all businesses want to make hugh profits. I imagine the electric companies would love to make record profits and post $2.00+ quarterly dividends. What would the average electric bill be then? How about your water company? What would your water bill cost if they could post $2.00 quartery profits to their stock holders. Sewer bill? Highway construction. Housing? It's just that the oil companies have us by our short-hairs and know that if we don't like it they can deal with other countries. They're not dependent on this country no longer for there market nor their oil supplies. I know you're connected to the oil industry and I'm quite sure a big portion of your wealth is connected to them also. So my guess your opinion is quite bias.

A 1.4 million dollar home is not unheard of for someone making $165.000 a year. Most by time they become Senators are wealthy anyway

under current tax law, someone making $40,000 filing sngle pays $6,344 and the same person making $250,000 pays $68,251. it looks like he wants to give both people a tax cut.


Understood... A sliding tax rate is a good thing. But to have the same rate for all would not work. A person at lower income levels cannot afford the same percentage as those at higher levels. Losing 10% of an income at $40.000 is a lot rougher on the individual than losing 10% at $250.000. At $40.000 it would only leave you with $36.000 to raise your family as opposed to leaving $ 225.000 for the other. We all pay the same for bread, gas etc. dollar-wise.

I am not biased for the big oil. I just used them as an example. I pay the same as everyone else for a gallon of gas. I don't work for a big oil company. My pay don't change with the price of oil. If it did, I would be going broke right now. I am first to agree that big oil has been over charging for their products. Most companies do. OPEC has a good bit to do with the price of oil. So does the person buying the gas.

As far as taxes go. I have no problem paying them. I do every month. The only that helps me out is working overseas. I still pay Uncle Sam though. He is going to get his part. I don't get any special treatment. I pay my state tax also. I don't enjoy the thought of having to pay a higher tax rate. No more than anyone would enjoy paying more for a bow because they made more money than the next guy. I am sorry that raising my taxes along with the wlefare checks just rubs me the wrong way. Working in the oil field is in no way a get rich job. I have 3 teenage kids and I am trying to give them a life. I don't think that taxes should be raised for anyone, at all. Raising the tax rate on a company will only make them charge more or cut cost. The first place they cut cost is labor. Take your local bow shop and raise his taxes. One of two things will happen. Either he will not bring home as much money at the end of the year or he will raise his prices to compensate. Not going to do a guy much good to get a tax cut when he don't have a job. Then again, he can look forward to Obamas $1500 yearly check. He can keep his check, I like my job. I am sure that Mathews will gladly take a 15% profit cut. That is what will happen when Obama rolls back the tax cuts. I know that Mathews is a multi million dollar company.

Obama's $1.4 million dollar home is a nice home, I am sure. I am trying to figure out how he got so rich being a community organizer. 3 years in the senate is some good money, but not that much.

I am not biased for the big oil. I just used them as an example. I pay the same as everyone else for a gallon of gas. I don't work for a big oil company. My pay don't change with the price of oil. If it did, I would be going broke right now. I am first to agree that big oil has been over charging for their products. Most companies do. OPEC has a good bit to do with the price of oil. So does the person buying the gas.

As far as taxes go. I have no problem paying them. I do every month. The only that helps me out is working overseas. I still pay Uncle Sam though. He is going to get his part. I don't get any special treatment. I pay my state tax also. I don't enjoy the thought of having to pay a higher tax rate. No more than anyone would enjoy paying more for a bow because they made more money than the next guy. I am sorry that raising my taxes along with the wlefare checks just rubs me the wrong way. Working in the oil field is in no way a get rich job. I have 3 teenage kids and I am trying to give them a life. I don't think that taxes should be raised for anyone, at all. Raising the tax rate on a company will only make them charge more or cut cost. The first place they cut cost is labor. Take your local bow shop and raise his taxes. One of two things will happen. Either he will not bring home as much money at the end of the year or he will raise his prices to compensate. Not going to do a guy much good to get a tax cut when he don't have a job. Then again, he can look forward to Obamas $1500 yearly check. He can keep his check, I like my job. I am sure that Mathews will gladly take a 15% profit cut. That is what will happen when Obama rolls back the tax cuts. I know that Mathews is a multi million dollar company.

Obama's $1.4 million dollar home is a nice home, I am sure. I am trying to figure out how he got so rich being a community organizer. 3 years in the senate is some good money, but not that much.

Totally agree.....The welfare issue is a big thorn in my side. I think the basis of the system is good. They just need to close some of the loop holes in it. I personally know of to many people that get it they are just using the system and could be earning there own way. Black and white included. I can go in the hills here in MO. and see many families that live in trailers and have 3 generations there that all have bad backs etc. and just wait for there "Government" checks the first of the month. They need to clamp down on the system and prosecute those that abuse it.

no matter how much or how little we are taxed, if we don't have an honest accountant, and people who want to help the country instead of line their own pockets, it will not get any better. I don't see it getting better any time soon :doh:

Well I will speak my mind and let it lay. But he is in and no a thing I can do about it. WE will see what happens when you put the most racest race in power. Time will tell what happens. You all most likely do not know what I mean if you have never lived in the south for any point of time. I blame my woes on that crap the happened in La. They should have just let the ocean keep the town. I just hope it gets better but not at a bad price.

I agree they should have let the gulf keep the big easy. I do find it funny though. I live north of New Orleans on the north shore. That area has been going through some changes in the last few years. They are building some nice homes and subdivisions there. There is not much in the way of low lifes there. It is pretty nice to go into Wal Mart and have decent people in there. They don't cater to them with project housing, like New Orleans. I live 20 miles out of town. I have to go to that part to go get pretty much anything that I need. Not much in the sticks where I live.

Fixing the system and control the spending would be a great thing. People may not have such a hard time with taxes then.

We have to give him a chance...

......nah!.......

Enough of all this "Woe is me crap". Obama has won and prayers are needed to help him along his presidency. We now more than ever have to stand as Americans. Only 2 presidents have walked into snafu's like Obama is undertaking. Roosevelt took over a the start of the Great Depression. (A Democrat) and thru WW II and turned this Country into a Super Power and Abe Lincoln ( A Republican (Sorry Smokes) (Formally of the "Whig" party)) and kept the United States as united.

We talk Democrats vs Republicans. When Bush took over from Clinton, the United States was operating in the green. Now we are operating in an all time record deficit. Since the Republicans took over we have record trade deficits. record unemployment, Wars going on in 2 countries. North Korea became a rogue nuclear power, Iran approaching nuclear Technology. Vensueala (anti American) becoming a continental leader in South America. The worse possible recession/depression since the Great Depression. Record OIL Prices with the oil companies blantantly admitting to record profits. The almost collapse of our banking system and stock markets causing a financial turmoil thru out the whole world and possibly losing Super power Status of the United States in the worlds financial organizations. An all time anti American opinion thru-out the world The weakest anti-immigration policies, Auto Mfgs. going bankrupt. Highest medical costs ever.

We say this has happened since Democrats took over Congress. Well the Democrats never took over Congress. The House was held by the Democrats with the slimest margin virtaully making it ineffective. The Senate was dead-locked at 49/49 , even, with 2 independents( in which Lieberman voted almost exclusively along republican lines) and a Republican President. So how do we blame the Democrats.

We talk about Taxes. Sure some of our taxes did fall. The government just borrowed money from the Worlds Banking system to finance everything. And we all know what happens when your credit over extends. Someone has to pay the bills. And now the democratic party is going to have to increase the taxes, not only to continue running but to pay off the deficit we owe the World's Banks. We talk about giving our money to the poor. Once again, during the Bush Admistration, we have added to the poor and homeless, and unemployeed at a level that was unprecedented since the Great Depression. Granted the system is flawed and needs to be revised.

I voted McCain and lost. but I don't blame either party for our woes. I DO BLAME the Bush Admistration. I think in years to come it will overshadow others as the worst admistration ever. With the people Bush surrounded himself with,, I believe it was doomed from the start. I don't like Carl Rove, Rumsfield nor Cheney.

I think we should unite as Americans, Pray and hope for the best. Especially during the transitioal period because this is when a Government is at it's weakest.

I wouln't have wanted to be either canditate walking into this mess the Bush admistrations is leaving.
And I repeat. I am neither Democrat nor Republican. I vote my own mind. But try to put the blame where it do, Including on myself.

Don't blame the Party, Blame the Admistration.
Yeah but tha partys have shifted just the oppisite from the at day
he was a centralist now a ststes rights man
which btw is why we have a system that rules us and not us them
do we realise that we a 50% indentured slaves to our system
thats how much i pay over all intaxes
how long will it be till they have us 10% under their thumb
our will we stand up for our country

......nah!.......

Man we don't have a choice now but to figure it all out...

Ron

I agree they should have let the gulf keep the big easy. I do find it funny though. I live north of New Orleans on the north shore. That area has been going through some changes in the last few years. They are building some nice homes and subdivisions there. There is not much in the way of low lifes there. It is pretty nice to go into Wal Mart and have decent people in there. They don't cater to them with project housing, like New Orleans. I live 20 miles out of town. I have to go to that part to go get pretty much anything that I need. Not much in the sticks where I live.

Fixing the system and control the spending would be a great thing. People may not have such a hard time with taxes then.

yes we know they all stayed in Atlanta Ga.

yes we know they all stayed in Atlanta Ga.

The low lifes from the Big Easy stayed in Atlanta. 3o miles north of the New Orleans, they don't have a problem with the free loaders. There were not many there before and not many now. There is no public housing for them. New Orleans is the city that is trying to get them back. Katrina was a perfect opertunity for New Orleans to be a nice city again. For some reason they choose not to.

Understood... A sliding tax rate is a good thing. But to have the same rate for all would not work. A person at lower income levels cannot afford the same percentage as those at higher levels. Losing 10% of an income at $40.000 is a lot rougher on the individual than losing 10% at $250.000. At $40.000 it would only leave you with $36.000 to raise your family as opposed to leaving $ 225.000 for the other. We all pay the same for bread, gas etc. dollar-wise.

I cant stop scratching my head at this post.....

UMMMM of course we all pay the same thing for those....:doh: :doh:

I am in pain right now and this post is making me angry......

My wife and I are in the 50,000- 60,000 bracket (combined).....

you know what? we relize that we cant drive a HUMMER and live in a MANSION......we make do with what we have......we do an odd job here or there for the extras......

She drives an 04, I drive a 99 and 97.....

SO NO FRIGGEN KIDDING that is harder on us than the person making $250,000

We save for what we want....

next time you want to post such an OBVIOUS post.....let us know.....PLEASE:doh:

and here is an idea, lets tax the 250,000 plus guys right to death......so that they really start lieing about it.......and then we dont see a penny from them....if they acctually earned it is irrelevent.....they figured out a way to make that much......GOOD FOR THEM......

All men are created equal, CORRECT?

well then why cant they be taxed at the same rate??

just like sales tax.....how about we make it 5% across the board.......county gets 2.5% state gets 2.5%

I happen to live in a place where sales tax is 8%....this is crazy....

and while we are at it, we should have the right to SHOOT ON SITE any person asking us to do a sall without TAX.....you dont want to pay?? BANG YOUR DEAD!!!

Fact of the matter is that the rich folks don't pay much in taxes. Just because a person is worth millions don't mean that they make that everyday. Most of the big money people have their money tied up and away from the tax man.

A percentage is a percentage. 10% of $60,000 is less than 10% of $160,000. Both are decreased by 10%, no matter how you slice it. I just can't see making it harder on one than the other. Living in Louisiana, we have higher gas taxes than Mississippi. I can drive across the state line and pay $.15 a gallon less for gas.

I just hope that Obama don't mess with the taxes too much. Doctors make good money and healthcare is high. Raise his taxes and healthcare will go up. Healthcare goes up and taxes will go up again to pay for the free healthcare that he wants. That is a no win idea, if you ask me.

I really don't like the idea of the bailouts either and now they are talking about #2. When will that end?

I cant stop scratching my head at this post.....

UMMMM of course we all pay the same thing for those....:doh: :doh:

I am in pain right now and this post is making me angry......

My wife and I are in the 50,000- 60,000 bracket (combined).....

you know what? we relize that we cant drive a HUMMER and live in a MANSION......we make do with what we have......we do an odd job here or there for the extras......

She drives an 04, I drive a 99 and 97.....

SO NO FRIGGEN KIDDING that is harder on us than the person making $250,000

We save for what we want....

next time you want to post such an OBVIOUS post.....let us know.....PLEASE:doh:

and here is an idea, lets tax the 250,000 plus guys right to death......so that they really start lieing about it.......and then we dont see a penny from them....if they acctually earned it is irrelevent.....they figured out a way to make that much......GOOD FOR THEM......

All men are created equal, CORRECT?

well then why cant they be taxed at the same rate??

just like sales tax.....how about we make it 5% across the board.......county gets 2.5% state gets 2.5%

I happen to live in a place where sales tax is 8%....this is crazy....

and while we are at it, we should have the right to SHOOT ON SITE any person asking us to do a sall without TAX.....you dont want to pay?? BANG YOUR DEAD!!!

Sorry Bunny, but I don't subscribe to the "Yeah is me and screw everyone else" theory. I worked hard to get out of the ghetto and to position myself financelly where I'm at.(Worked many a year at 2 jobs). And I thank God that I was fortunate enough to have been born with the IQ needed to do so. All men are created equal in the eyes of God but not in the physical world. I know many families that are struggling to make it on minimual pay. Not due to lack of effort, but because they never had the opportunity because of lack of education and not being able to get the breaks. Not everyone was born with the mental facilities to go to college or get the breaks they need. When I see someone that is really trying and is struggling, then I try to help. If it means giving up an additional tax percentage of my of my income...Fine, so be it. I struggled to get where I am at financely and I will gladly help others that are trying.. But greed and selfishness are not 2 of my vices. A straight tax rate would be great for me. It would benefit me to be in the same tax bracket as you are. But I gladly pay the extra percentage point to help those that are trying. (code phrase here is "those that are trying)" I am happy to see those that are less fortunate than I have been paying a lower tax rate leaving them with more usable income. But then I have never been one that puts myself first. My ego is not that large.

And as far as my post making you angry....That is the least of my worries.

My post that you objected to was in reply to a previous post and as for as letting you know ahead of time... There is no ruling here that I need to submit my post to the "great site GURU for approval or censorship.

Sorry Bunny, but I don't subscribe to the "Yeah is me and screw everyone else" theory. I worked hard to get out of the ghetto and to position myself financelly where I'm at.(Worked many a year at 2 jobs). And I thank God that I was fortunate enough to have been born with the IQ needed to do so. All men are created equal in the eyes of God but not in the physical world. I know many families that are struggling to make it on minimual pay. Not due to lack of effort, but because they never had the opportunity because of lack of education and not being able to get the breaks. Not everyone was born with the mental facilities to go to college or get the breaks they need. When I see someone that is really trying and is struggling, then I try to help. If it means giving up an additional tax percentage of my of my income...Fine, so be it. I struggled to get where I am at financely and I will gladly help others that are trying.. But greed and selfishness are not 2 of my vices. A straight tax rate would be great for me. It would benefit me to be in the same tax bracket as you are. But I gladly pay the extra percentage point to help those that are trying. (code phrase here is "those that are trying)" I am happy to see those that are less fortunate than I have been paying a lower tax rate leaving them with more usable income. But then I have never been one that puts myself first. My ego is not that large.

And as far as my post making you angry....That is the least of my worries.

My post that you objected to was in reply to a previous post and as for as letting you know ahead of time... There is no ruling here that I need to submit my post to the "great site GURU for approval or censorship.

WHO SAID THAT???

NOT ME......I said everyone should be treated fairly......

ITS DUMB that because I figured out a way to make more money than the next guy, I SHOULD BE PUNISHED, by a higher tax bracket......

THATS BULL**** and I speak as a person who is struggling to pay 150,000 mortgage:noidea:

WHO SAID THAT???

NOT ME......I said everyone should be treated fairly......

ITS DUMB that because I figured out a way to make more money than the next guy, I SHOULD BE PUNISHED, by a higher tax bracket......

THATS BULL**** and I speak as a person who is struggling to pay 150,000 mortgage:noidea:
But what about the guy that is working his rear off to keep himself afloat and has to live in some slumlords place because he was born a little slow, but yet was able to make too much to get Govt. assistance? It's the people that don't try is what gets my ire up. 1 percent of my income last year was $850 and sure I wish I had it. but 1% of a guy only making $30.000 means a lot more to him.

Heck, You want to speak about taxes.... I'm single (high tax bracket), no mortage. (no tax deduction. Kids grown (again not tax deduction). Yea...Uncle Sam loves me.
But then I guess I could complain that I am being penalized for paying off my house. I am being penalized for not being married. I am being penalized for having reared my children. Heck. I am even being penalized for saving my money and making wise investment decisions. I should have squandered my money and not pay any taxes now on it.

But what about the guy that is working his rear off to keep himself afloat and has to live in some slumlords place because he was born a little slow, but yet was able to make too much to get Govt. assistance? It's the people that don't try is what gets my ire up. 1 percent of my income last year was $850 and sure I wish I had it. but 1% of a guy only making $30.000 means a lot more to him.

I feel that he should be great ful that he does not have to accept a handout and do the best he can
I did it for many years and it did'nt hurt me
and I am glad i did not have to go ask for a big bro hand out

But what about the guy that is working his rear off to keep himself afloat and has to live in some slumlords place because he was born a little slow, but yet was able to make too much to get Govt. assistance? It's the people that don't try is what gets my ire up. 1 percent of my income last year was $850 and sure I wish I had it. but 1% of a guy only making $30.000 means a lot more to him.

in todays world, EVERYONE is for themselves.....

I will take care of my family as that is all i can do.....

you know what? everyone has choices......people need to make better ones....

just like your silly army arguments with werd......

NOT EVERYONE can live in the best neighbor hoods.....not every can afford better than a 85 dodge omni....

FOR AS OLD as you are, you sure have alot to learn......

for everything you have posted about numbers we have found them flawed....yet you continue to come up with DUMBER and DUMBER arguments....

give it a rest, DUDE......

My first wife re-married several years ago. Her and her husband came over to my house to see the kids. I had a new truck in the yard. Her husband comes up to me and starts asking how can I afford to buy a new truck. I tell him that I work. I worked my way up the ladder. Then this guy has the nerve to say he wished that he could buy a new truck, but he could not work like I do. That was to much labor for him. I did not have any pitty for that kind of attitude.

I am a white male that barely graduated high school. I was also 21 years old and 3 kids, 2 of which were 11 months apart. We could have gotten government help. I choose to work. I choose to be away from home on Christmas day, so that they could have a Christmas. I don't have a problem with taxes going to help those that need it.

It burns my tail to be in line at the grocery store. To stand there and see a couple dressed to a "T". Buy a buggy load of food with food stamps. Pay for several cases of beer with a bank roll. Push their buggy out to a Lincoln Town car. Now that burns my tail to see people abuse the system. When our welfare government can fix the system. I may be a little more happy about paying higher taxes.

There are too many people that can but choose not too.

I voted for McCain and under his plan, I was not going to get a tax break. The difference is that McCain did not have welfare "wealth redistribution" as his platform.

Whatever.....

My first wife re-married several years ago. Her and her husband came over to my house to see the kids. I had a new truck in the yard. Her husband comes up to me and starts asking how can I afford to buy a new truck. I tell him that I work. I worked my way up the ladder. Then this guy has the nerve to say he wished that he could buy a new truck, but he could not work like I do. That was to much labor for him. I did not have any pitty for that kind of attitude.

I am a white male that barely graduated high school. I was also 21 years old and 3 kids, 2 of which were 11 months apart. We could have gotten government help. I choose to work. I choose to be away from home on Christmas day, so that they could have a Christmas. I don't have a problem with taxes going to help those that need it.

It burns my tail to be in line at the grocery store. To stand there and see a couple dressed to a "T". Buy a buggy load of food with food stamps. Pay for several cases of beer with a bank roll. Push their buggy out to a Lincoln Town car. Now that burns my tail to see people abuse the system. When our welfare government can fix the system. I may be a little more happy about paying higher taxes.

There are too many people that can but choose not too.

I voted for McCain and under his plan, I was not going to get a tax break. The difference is that McCain did not have welfare "wealth redistribution" as his platform.
Man I agree 110% that burns me up and the habitat for humanity these people build 125-160k houses for nothing well we pay for it through the goverment they have house payments of 300-$400 a month now that really pisses me off.

I think same % for all would work great! It would be more "fair" than anything. Tithing is 10% and I have to say, with great money management and faithful people, my church is doing well.

I don't think tax needs to be as high as 10%, but the same across the board I think would work.

in todays world, EVERYONE is for themselves.....

I will take care of my family as that is all i can do.....

you know what? everyone has choices......people need to make better ones....

just like your silly army arguments with werd......

NOT EVERYONE can live in the best neighbor hoods.....not every can afford better than a 85 dodge omni....

FOR AS OLD as you are, you sure have alot to learn......

for everything you have posted about numbers we have found them flawed....yet you continue to come up with DUMBER and DUMBER arguments....

give it a rest, DUDE......


I am glad you take care of your family as best as you can...Very Honorable.

And yes people need to make better choices, but not all people have the tools and knowledge to make those choices. I guess all the people that have not had the opportunity to advance their education and have lost their jobs due to relocation or downsizing made dumb decisions.

And I guess my saying to Werd that he should continue his education possibly using the military as a financial tool (As he stated he could not afford college)to help him thru educational or vocational training to you was silly. After all, that would mean giving time to be given to this country instead of being parisitical.

And yes, Not everyone can live in the best neighborhoods or afford better than an 85 Omni. But they should strive to as the best as they can.

And yes, even as old as I am, I do have a lot to learn. But what I have learned is that the whole world does not revolve around me and that I should use the blessings that God has given to help those that are struggling. (Those that don't try or mis-use the system I don't care about). Yes I was once your age and only cared about myself and thought I knew it all too.
Yea, I do have a lot to learn, but you don't even realize yet how dumb you are yet and what is really important in life. But after having read most of your old posts an old adage came to mind. " Those that don't have much smart to say, usually say it the loudest and the most often."

And yes to you my numbers seem flawed. But there are a whole lot of economists that seem to agree.

you are like a BROKEN RECORD.......:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I think same % for all would work great! It would be more "fair" than anything. Tithing is 10% and I have to say, with great money management and faithful people, my church is doing well.

I don't think tax needs to be as high as 10%, but the same across the board I think would work.

Yes it would work. But !!!!!!

Where would the tax burden be? Can we lower it to the lowest level.?.... No, because that wouldn't bring in enough. Can we raise it to the highest level....No because the poorer levels couldn't afford it.. So let's put it right in the middle. Cool! Right? Nope wrong again.... The vast majority are paying in at levels lower than the middle, which essentially would be raising their % rate. So it would essentially hurt the middle and lower classes the most. %-wise . We'll never close the loop holes for the wealthy because they controll the Govt. Plus the politicians are part of the wealthy and they sure aren't going to cut off their noses to spite their own face.

I don't care how you slice it. 10 working people paying $100 a week in taxes is better than one person paying $1000 a week in taxes. A 10% tax would be great. The guy making $30,000 a year would pay $3,000 a year in taxes. Under the current plan he would pay $6,000 and get $3,000 back, for a total of $3,000 for Uncle Sam. It is the same thing.

It works a bit different when your income goes up a little at a time. You get to a point where your tax rate goes up and you end up making less because you made $3,000 more this year than last. Our government should encourage more people to make it, not the more you make, the more they take idea.

That hurts employers also. For every $ they hold out of your check to pay Uncle Sam, they have to match that. If they raise your taxes, your employer has to pay more. That is the very reason that I stopped building houses and running my own company. I was trying to employ 5 guys, but taxes were eating up what I was making. Those 5 guys had to go and find a new job.

He is already rounding up most of the clinton staffers from bill's administration. I though he was going to bring change, Not the same old song and dance. It seems like the clintons will have a backdoor acess to the white house anyhow.

He is already rounding up most of the clinton staffers from bill's administration. I though he was going to bring change, Not the same old song and dance. It seems like the clintons will have a backdoor acess to the white house anyhow.


I am sure that Ole Bill has already filled in the Messiah on what the interns are for. I smell another scandal coming. :tape: :noidea: :laugh:

I am sure that Ole Bill has already filled in the Messiah on what the interns are for. I smell another scandal coming. :tape: :noidea: :laugh:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dudes like it or not..Obama won...I'm registered Independant...There were things in Obama's capaign that sounded good and some I think sucks...

The same for McCain.....

I voted for McCain because of his service in Vietnam....I seriously doubt McCain is a traitor....Im not saying Obama is one..but I have 1000 times more confidance in McCaain. I hope and pray that Obama does well... like him or not...his performance is going to affect all of us....

I also voted for George W..both times...and I regret it.

It still bumfuggles me at how people blame the president for some things. The president can't just wave his hand and things happen. His is president, not king. He is nothing more than a CEO. Sure, he can run a country into the ground, but only with help from others. Proposals that the president comes up with still have to pass the house. If he was so powerful, then Bush would not have had to ask for the $187 billion for the Iraq war. He would have just written a check.

The idea of Obama sitting in the big chair is only part of the problem. Sitting to his right is Natzi Pelosi. Sitting to his left is Harry Reed. Sitting before him is the rest of the liberal left wing tree hugging nim witts. That is our real problem here folks. If any one of them dreams up some goofy idea, it will pass and be signed. They can do as they please. When the checks require 3 signatures and all 3 that are on the account are on the same page. People, our money and lives are in the hands of some not so good higher ups.

Houston, we have a problem!!!!!!!:frusty: :censored: :frusty:

Th3 new chief of staff is in bed with tha Frediie mkac bunch and could be held liable for some of it's misgivings
how many more chances do we need
70 X7
Emanuel tied to Freddie Mac collapse; Update: The numbers for Emanuelposted at 11:30 am on November 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Send to a Friend | printer-friendly During the campaign, Barack Obama had to fight off assertions that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae had him in their pocket while the two GSEs committed fraud and declined to their collapse. Obama didn’t help that perception when he chose Jim Johnson, Fannie Mae’s former CEO and chair, as the leader of his VP search committee, a position Johnson resigned shortly afterwards. Now ABC reports that Obama’s new chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, sat on the board of Freddie Mac during the critical period:
President-elect Barack Obama’s newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot “red flags,” according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com.
According to a complaint later filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Freddie Mac, known formally as the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, misreported profits by billions of dollars in order to deceive investors between the years 2000 and 2002.
Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having “failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention.”
Emanuel’s action, or lack of it, came during a time when the SEC says Freddie Mac misrepresented its income to investors in order to maintain its price. In other words, they committed fraud. The SEC specifically notes that Freddie did this in 2000, 2001, and 2002, and Emanuel sat on the board in 2000-2001.
This is no small matter. Had this happened when Sarbanes-Oxley was in effect, Emanuel would have had to sign off on those numbers under penalty of perjury. He could be liable for criminal prosecution. As it is, his actions and omissions as a board member may still result in civil and criminal liability, if the SEC discovers that he had a hand in the fraud committed at Freddie Mac, or if Emanuel knew about it and failed to act to stop it.
For an incoming administration that ran on cleaning up the greed on Wall Street, the selection of Emanuel speaks a lot louder than any campaign promises. One might think that anyone who sat on the boards of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while the two GSEs cooked the books and set the stage for global financial collapse should at least be considered political poison for any appointment, let alone one as significant as White House Chief of Staff — if nothing else, then at least on the basis of competence. Instead, it looks like Obama is bringing the Chicago Way to Pennsylvania Avenue.
Hope and change, indeed.
Update: Business & Media Institute notes the numbers on Emanuel and Freddie Mac:
“Clinton’s going-away gift to Emanuel was a seat on the quasi-governmental Freddie Mac board, which paid him $231,655 in director’s fees in 2001 and $31,060 in 2000,” Lynn Sweet wrote for the Chicago Sun-Times on Jan. 3, 2002.
During the time Emanuel spent on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandal involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities. Freddie Mac and its sister organization Fannie Mae were taken over by the federal government in September 2008 after years of mismanagement and scandal. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson put the two beleaguered GSEs into a conservatorship, stripping common stock shareholders of their rights to govern the companies. …
“Freddie Mac was accused of illegally using corporate resources between 2000 and 2003 for 85 fundraisers that collected about $1.7 million for federal candidates,” an Associated Press story from April 18, 2006 said. “Much of the fundraising benefited members of the House Financial Services Committee, a panel whose decisions can affect Freddie Mac.”
And, since his successful run for the House of Representatives in 2002, Emanuel has been the beneficiary of campaign cash from Freddie Mac and its sister organization Fannie Mae – $51,750 according to the Center for Responsive Politics Web site OpenSecrets.org.
That’s certainly something to keep in mind while recalling the promises by Barack Obama to change the way business gets conducted in Washington.

Once you lie to me I aint respecting you at all. Obama's campain was full of lies. Dont believe me, wait till he takes the oath, although he wont show his birth certificate and had it sealed while in Hawaii.