This could be all pure lies but... I shot with a guy that supposedly has heard from Bowtech about a 2007 bow.

Get this 350fps+. Not only that but it supposedly pulls smoother than the current smooth mods.

I never met this person before so take it with a grain of salt but it sure sounds cool. Plus, I can't reveal my sources.:biggrin1:

You guys didnt hear, APA has bought Bowtech............

In 3D, a miss is a miss – I would think your margin of error would increase with that type of speed. Plus I’m not going to take a deer past 30 yards during hunting season, so I really don’t see the benefit of that kind of speed.

Other than saying holy crap that’s fast --- What is the benefit of 350fps?

i have heard that BowTech is coming out with a bow that will make their current ones obsolete..... i have heard this from a sales rep for bowtech.... did not mention how fast just siad end of year they will have it ready

Its acctually a crossbow and it will fire rocket propelled arrows, it will be called, Anti-terrorism, staying w/ the patriotic theme of course.

I don't buy into the fast bows just produce a faster miss. If that was the case, they would have stopped working on new cams 15 years ago.

The bows speeds have gone way up in the last 15 years and the bows have only gotten better. If they keep the brace height up, I'll take the extra speed and shoot a heavier arrow.

A super fast bow with 5" of brace height is not for me. I wouldn't look at it twice, I don't care how fast it is. Not give me 7"+ brace and the same speed, now we are talking.

Yes, but I think alot of new archers are being told that they need a fast,fast,fast bow when that is the last thing they need. Usually faster is harder to control. Now there are alot of great archers that can definately handle 350fps but the average hunter is going to have some problems and that will lead to injured,non-recovered animals. I think some bows should come with a warning to prospective buyers. :peace:

Yes, but I think alot of new archers are being told that they need a fast,fast,fast bow when that is the last thing they need. Usually faster is harder to control. Now there are alot of great archers that can definately handle 350fps but the average hunter is going to have some problems and that will lead to injured,non-recovered animals. I think some bows should come with a warning to prospective buyers

I think high speed, low brace height bows fall in this category (like the old BlackMax 5-3/4 brace). However, you can't lump all the new fast bows into this group. That would be saying the average archer would shoot an old PSE XLR900 w/round wheels better than they would shoot a Switchback XT.

If a bow is super fast but has the right specs, I think it will be just as accurate as any of the slower. HOWEVER, tuning and broadhead flight will be more critical if your shooting a fixed blade head.

My Apex 7 is shooting 296fps at 61 pounds right now and it shoots incredibly accurate.

350 fps WOW now they will atleast have 1 good selling point, why dont they do a better job with puting the paterns on the risers, it wears off so easy, i hunt with a few guys that have 2005 bowtecs and the anodizing looks faded and worn badly in some areas, all my hoyts have spilled the same blood in the same mud and look like new with the exeption of a few scratches. No wear marks though. But 350 is amazing, I just hope im not around when the speed freek shoots a 300 grain arrow out of it at 72 lbs trying to get 380 out of it and it comes apart!!! But good luck to them guys!!!!

[QUOTE]350 fps WOW now they will atleast have 1 good selling point, why dont they do a better job with puting the paterns on the risers, it wears off so easy, i hunt with a few guys that have 2005 bowtecs and the anodizing looks faded and worn badly in some areas, all my hoyts have spilled the same blood in the same mud and look like new with the exeption of a few scratches. No wear marks though. But 350 is amazing, I just hope im not around when the speed freek shoots a 300 grain arrow out of it at 72 lbs trying to get 380 out of it and it comes apart!!! But good luck to them guys!!!!
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blah, blah, blah, blah.......ummmm....blah,blah,blah ....:Cry:

Your insecurities crack me up! I'm guessing your practice isn't going so well.

It will be OK. It doesn't make your bow any slower bullspoooofer.

:bored: "the paint is wearing off ....:noidea:

Thank God for our troops and BOW manufactures that step it up a notch!!!

:peace:

What is the benefit of 350fps?

Benefit - how about 60 ft/lbs of Kinetic Energy at 70 YARDS!
The difference in a 310 fps bow and a 350 fps bow is an increase of 11%.
Don't kid yourself - speed DOES NOT decrease accuracy. It might be a little tougher to stabilize the arrow (heavier spine) but if the brace height is held constant you are going to have an increase in bow efficiency - and that is ALWAYS a good thing - no matter what the brandname is.

GO BOWTECH

God Bless our Troops! :amen:

Bullspoooofer?? my insecurities?? practice isnt going well *** are you talking about next ridgeover??? Bullspoooofer?? thats the best you can do? I post info on what i see with my freinds equipment, and you dont like it so you make accusations, call me names and so on, then have the nerve to call me insecure....

[Edited by Chris] - ** No personal attacks, no profanity, implied or otherwise **

I don’t see myself anytime soon taking a deer pass 30 yards with a bow. Even though as tempting as it may sound to shoot something at 70 yards you might as well be using a gun. Shooting something that far takes the archery hunting experience away from it.

Maybe for spots or foam, but at this point I don't need faster equipment as much as I need tobe a better shooter. I personally don’t feel comfortable with shooting something that fast. I have a responsibility to all and myself to know my limitations. I am very happy with the my current bow and if Hoyt starts next year only offering 350+ fps, than I will have to stick with my current bow or switch to a Mathews. (God forbid)

I guess in a nutshell – I personally (for myself) don’t see the need for it, but for those that need faster bows --- then there’s benefit and can't agrue with that.

:biggrin1: Geez - chill out spoof! I just think it is SMALL of you to highjack an exciting thread about a '07 product with your OLD NEWS oxide problems from the past. Tell your buddies to get the '06 - problem solved. Like you once told me BFD!

And a little knowledge for you - anodizing is NOT a word. To anodize is to coat metal with oxide. It is a verb - not a type of paint. When you ANODIZE something, you are making the metal the ANODE of an electrolytic cell. I'm POSITIVE that you can't wear that off.

Now can we get back to this exciting thread original thread:hug:

And I hear you Jay Are - you are a treestand hunter - I hunt in Easten MT where 40 yards is the norm, maybe not as exciting for the tree stand hunters.

Well I guess that was my cue to add my two scents, I could have swore that you said you would not talk to us anymore......

And the moment you do you attack someone.....I just wish the computer screen was out of the way so that we could see your cowrdly (im sure thats not a word either correct?) face, and relize you for what you are....

and that would be......anyone?????

I think we should start a new thread and call it "what is Next Ridge Over?"

Bet that would get a few hits, but you would probably not read it cuz it does not say Bowtech is the greatest.

Now why dont you do us all a favor and shut up!!!!!

where the heck is Easten MT?? Got any good bucks in that area?? :peace:

I would love a bow with Allegiance or OG specs shooting 350 FPS.

The biggest difference will be for 3D, without a doubt. at that speed you could misjudge a target by 10 yards and still hit a great shot. I think that is the biggest benefit to a super fast bow.

for hunting I can't really see the added value, at least not for whitetail. For spots there is no benefit, who cares if your arrow gets there in 1 second or 5? its going 20 yards either way. Its going to be a lot of bragging rights over speed as usual.

Bullspoooofer?? my insecurities?? practice isnt going well *** are you talking about next ridgeover??? Bullspoooofer?? thats the best you can do? I post info on what i see with my freinds equipment, and you dont like it so you make accusations, call me names and so on, then have the nerve to call me insecure.... *********************************.. thats what i think....


Why does this happen whenever Bowtech is brought up???

I have edited a couple of posts here. Please follow the rules. No personal attacks and no profanity. IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED!

Why does this happen whenever Bowtech is brought up???

some people are jealous? :tape:

some people are jealous? :tape:


I don't know if I'd go that far!!!:biggrin1:

Sorry chris, didnt mean to break the rules, or offend anyone, next time i will us a pm...... I felt he needed to be put in his place though, ive seen lots of comments about the equipment i use, and i dont hack them up personly like he did to me. anyways sorry again!!

not sure about the 3d shoots you all goto, but alot of the bigger 3d shoots here, state shoots and big money shoots, will only let you shoot 280 fps, they inforce this also, ive had to chrono my bow twice. they do allow a 5% alowence, Im sure you could tell them at the shoot, you were just doing it for fun and they will let you do the shoot, but not compeat, i agree 350 would be nice for hunting, but no real advantage for a 3d comp with fps limits. Our indoor 3d leuge also has limits.

Yes 350fps would be great but I will take my slow and smooth Mathews :rockon: anytime. I just had to say it:laugh: :peace:

Hey bullspotter, dont worry about him, he is what I like to call rif-raf (the bologna we have to put up with to play on this wonderful Web Site)

Brings his holyeir than though attitude any time you say something about his precios Bowreck, he comes and goes and its when he goes that I look foward too.


But to get back to the topic at hand you said 280fps w/ a 5% allowance

We also allow 5 gr. per pound so technically you could shoot faster than the 280.

Yes 350fps would be great but I will take my slow and smooth Mathews anytime. I just had to say it


Slow, Mathews aren't slow. Believe me, I have seen slow and it's ugly. I get guys in the the shop all the time with their 15 year old bow with round wheels and they tell me how it's just as fast as the new ones.:doh:

I am talking about the standard of XT's approx. 260-280 compared to Blowtech 290-310.:laugh: :peace:

You cant compare a Mathews to a Bowreck.........:laugh:

You cant compare a Mathews to a Bowreck.........:laugh:

Believe it or not guys he isn't the only one on here shooting a Bowtech... you don't hear me bashing your Mathews, don't bash my Bowtech.

as for the speed... I forgot about that speed limit, guess it would limit its usefulness.

that does bring up another point though... with bows constantly getting faster and faster do you think this will have an impact on the speed limit? Lets face it, almost all the bows being sold now a days can hit 280 without a problem and a lot of people have to use heavier arrows or reduce draw weight to fall under the limit... how long till they raise it to 300?

[QUOTE=Dredly]Believe it or not guys he isn't the only one on here shooting a Bowtech... you don't hear me bashing your Mathews, don't bash my Bowtech.
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Dredly,
I wouldn’t take it serious. These guys are just being a bit cynical and from what I know / read of them, its nothing personal against the type a bow someone shoots but who’s shooting it.

[QUOTE=Dredly]Believe it or not guys he isn't the only one on here shooting a Bowtech... you don't hear me bashing your Mathews, don't bash my Bowtech.
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Dredly,
I wouldn’t take it serious. These guys are just being a bit cynical and from what I know / read of them, its nothing personal against the type a bow someone shoots but who’s shooting it.

yeah I know, just gets annoying. At least they haven't started in on the limbs exploding yet ;)

Hey Dredly I did not mean anything by the Blotech remark. I am sorry if you took it the wrong way. As I have stated if I had'nt bought my XT I would probably have gotten the Tribute. So no hard feelings buddy.:peace: So go ahead and bash my Mathews if you like........or well if you can find anything to bash Mathews for.:laugh: J/K

Hey Dredly I did not mean anything by the Blotech remark. I am sorry if you took it the wrong way. As I have stated if I had'nt bought my XT I would probably have gotten the Tribute. So no hard feelings buddy.:peace: So go ahead and bash my Mathews if you like........or well if you can find anything to bash Mathews for.:laugh: J/K

I didn't take it personally, no worries. Just gets annoying when a thread gets completely derailed by people bashing one bow over another...

if it makes you feel better I was consdering buying a Switchback before I got my Bowtech... but I already have a boat anchor and don't need another one yet :peace:

see thats how you do it.....a boat anchor.....funny stuff right there....



Jay Are-it is not about the bow or the person (in most cases) just light hearted humor.....


I have to be serious at my job all day long....I come here for the archery knowledge and good humor w/buddies, even if I never get to shoot w/some of you guys....it makes it feel like I do.....:amen:

Boat anchor:laugh: that is funny

I love the humor of this site and hope nobody loses sight of the fact that we are just ribbing each other and thats all.:peace:

But when I need answers to questions serious answers I know where to come.:rockon:

Yes 350fps would be great but I will take my slow and smooth Mathews :rockon: anytime. I just had to say it:laugh: :peace:
Rockon my midwestern brethren:rockon: We will keep on shooting that slow and smooth shooting boat anchor and like it!!!!!!!! Fast is good, but accurate is final, enough said.

Rockon my midwestern brethren:rockon: We will keep on shooting that slow and smooth shooting boat anchor and like it!!!!!!!! Fast is good, but accurate is final, enough said.

Yeah but I can miss faster!

umm wait I don't think that came out right...

This was one commical thread to read. Does this get get your blood boiling reading this again, Bowman or Bullspotter. Well, it doesn't shoot 350 feet per second, but it is fast, different and a great shooting bow. But I prefer my vectrix xl, it was a hard choice between the ones I shot.

And a little knowledge for you - anodizing is NOT a word. To anodize is to coat metal with oxide. It is a verb - not a type of paint. When you ANODIZE something, you are making the metal the ANODE of an electrolytic cell. I'm POSITIVE that you can't wear that off.

I want to know when they started to anodize in camo????? Anodizing is a word... look it up. Meriam-Webster says it is one of the inflected forms of the transitive verb anodize, for you english majors. It is conceivable that it can wear or scratch off. Anodizing will protect the aluminum parts by making the surface much harder than natural aluminum. Aluminum oxide is grown out of the surface during anodizing and then becomes aluminum hydrate that is extremely hard. The porous nature of the anodized layer allows the product to be dyed any color that is desired. If anodizing was not done properly the color can be dull or not take at all.

WOW..............where did you find this thread. I had almost forgotten all about that new 350fps Blowtech that is as smooth as the smooth mods. :laugh:

So just how much speed are the new Guardians and Commanders getting???

Who would have thought back then that Dredly was going to purchase and new.........................................boat anchor(was it??):biggrin1: You have come a long way buddy.

This is great stuff...

I forgot all about this thread...

WOW..............where did you find this thread. I had almost forgotten all about that new 350fps Blowtech that is as smooth as the smooth mods. :laugh:

So just how much speed are the new Guardians and Commanders getting???

Who would have thought back then that Dredly was going to purchase and new.........................................boat anchor(was it??):biggrin1: You have come a long way buddy.

The guardians are SWEET. People are often getting well over 320 FPS with them from what I've heard, haven't witnessed it yet though.

btw.... MATHEWS SUCKS How long does it take to get a ****ING CAM! I MEAN COME ON!!!!

I never thought it possible but I was wrong... this whole time I just assumed the slowest thing about Mathews was their speed... now I find out its their shipping!

The guardians are SWEET. People are often getting well over 320 FPS with them from what I've heard, haven't witnessed it yet though.

btw.... MATHEWS SUCKS How long does it take to get a ****ING CAM! I MEAN COME ON!!!!

I never thought it possible but I was wrong... this whole time I just assumed the slowest thing about Mathews was their speed... now I find out its their shipping!

why is it taking so long.....you cant tell me they dont have any in stock.... you expect me to beleive they ran out of ovation cams????

why is it taking so long.....you cant tell me they dont have any in stock.... you expect me to beleive they ran out of ovation cams????

He has them, he's just afraid to put them on. He know in his heart of hearts that bow will be the sweetest thing he's ever shot. He'd have to eat soooo much crow...... It sounds like an inverted case of performance anxieity. :biggrin1:

My Ovation is set at 55lbs shooting 525g Eclipses at 225fps. Is that slow????

I hit 49 Xs with it the other night so I just wondered if I should slow it down or speed it up to gain accuracy.....:biggrin1:

The guardians are SWEET. People are often getting well over 320 FPS with them from what I've heard, haven't witnessed it yet though

Our Demo bow set at 29" and 65# shooting a 401 gr arrow is 279fps.

why is it taking so long.....you cant tell me they dont have any in stock.... you expect me to beleive they ran out of ovation cams????

I dunno.... maybe there isn't a big demand for 30" 05 Left handed Ovation cams?

I'm shocked!

My Ovation is set at 55lbs shooting 525g Eclipses at 225fps. Is that slow????

I hit 49 Xs with it the other night so I just wondered if I should slow it down or speed it up to gain accuracy.....:biggrin1:

what is it w/us loosers and not getting past 49x:noidea:

My Ovation is set at 55lbs shooting 525g Eclipses at 225fps. Is that slow????

I hit 49 Xs with it the other night so I just wondered if I should slow it down or speed it up to gain accuracy.....:biggrin1:

my diamond is also set up at 55 pounds and i get exactly 250 every shot ( i got a lot of free time so i cronoed 10 arrows):peace: :biggrin1:

Yeah i remember this one alright......... got me in trouble with the big man.... so aperantly they havent released the 350 fps bow yet, well i havent heard of it yet anyways, the gardian was posting about the same speeds as the vectrix bows, I shot them side by side, cant remember the exact #s but they seemed pretty close speed wise. Shop here is selling quiet a few of the commanders and gardians, and the owners seem to likem. I shot today and they sold 2 hoyt vucans while i was their, 1 guy was shooting and anouther guy had a gurdian cranked up and was shooting some light arrows, it was pretty fast, over 300 but at the speeds they were putting down, the hoyt was faster and queiter by far. I took big intrest in payin attention to the 2 guys shooting. I think he was pushing the gaurdian pretty hard. The one i shot was at 68 or so pounds and was super quiet. But that one today was pretty noisey.......

from what I've heard (I haven't shot one yet...) the guardian is insanely quiet. and the draw is VERY smooth and very comfortable. it still looks ugly but it is one heck of a bow and one of the truly new innovative designs that have come out in the last 5 years.

can anyone name anything NEW that has come out in the last 5 years other then cam changes? I'm talking huge steps not baby steps

The only thing I can come up with is the Carbon riser from HCA and the parallel limbs that Bowtech came out with (VFT). MAYBE the limb pockets on the Drenalin