I know several of the senior pros using them.

I see more and more suing these arrows all the time.

Most said there shooting a 100grns in the front.

Think next year Im going to give them a shot.
DB

It defies logic that this should even work. Everything we have been taught says get the spine right. I have a really good indoor shooter trying these now.

He's been shooting them and slowly cutting them shorter and re-testing. He's down to 1" in front of the rest and says they are pounding X's

It defies logic that this should even work. Everything we have been taught says get the spine right. I have a really good indoor shooter trying these now.

He's been shooting them and slowly cutting them shorter and re-testing. He's down to 1" in front of the rest and says they are pounding X's

I watched one guy at the classic shoot them. Arrow flight was darn good.
Im amazed with 100 grns in the front.
DB

Same old question , would your pin gaps with the same weight get wider? say over the 22 series?

It defies logic that this should even work. Everything we have been taught says get the spine right. I have a really good indoor shooter trying these now.

He's been shooting them and slowly cutting them shorter and re-testing. He's down to 1" in front of the rest and says they are pounding X's


Try them with a finger release. :doh:

i have been shooting them since the first of the year.Tim said to cut them short and they have flown as good as any other arrow through my bow.

Try them with a finger release. :doh:


LOL...I'll leave the finger shooting to you. That would be a bit tough.

shot x-cutters and triple x's at 22" with 50 grains in the front thru a 23" draw mathews prestige on 46lbs, they shot like darts. At the indoor nationals in louisville the triple x's cost him the win only because it went to inside-out x's in the shoot-off and he touched 2 lines on the inside and got 2nd. i shoot 27" x-cutters w/50 in front and they also shoot very true. :thumb: for goldtip

Dan,
I have already purchased me some of the Triple X pro's for next year. I'm also contemplating going with the monster xlr8 after seeing how good they shot at the Classic. Has anyone out there tried the Triple x through the Monster yet?

It defies logic that this should even work. Everything we have been taught says get the spine right. I have a really good indoor shooter trying these now.

He's been shooting them and slowly cutting them shorter and re-testing. He's down to 1" in front of the rest and says they are pounding X's

Supports the idea of tune the bow to the arrow instead of the other way around.

Actually according to hammer in his article in The Tournament Archer magazine "tuning the bow to the arrow" is cutting the arrow so the point is right in the valley of the rest then tuning the bow to make that arrow shoot.

He doesn't mess with arrow length at all. Chop them as short as you can and make them shoot.

Hammer's theory is that a release shooter "Can't shoot too stiff of an arrow".

It is interesting that in the same issue nearly everything Danny McCarthy says about arrows conflicts across the board.

Two champions, two opposite methods that both work:noidea:

Now what are we going to do:doh:

Well Ive always heard a longer arrow flies better than a short one...

Actually according to hammer in his article in The Tournament Archer magazine "tuning the bow to the arrow" is cutting the arrow so the point is right in the valley of the rest then tuning the bow to make that arrow shoot.

He doesn't mess with arrow length at all. Chop them as short as you can and make them shoot.

Hammer's theory is that a release shooter "Can't shoot too stiff of an arrow".

It is interesting that in the same issue nearly everything Danny McCarthy says about arrows conflicts across the board.

Two champions, two opposite methods that both work:noidea:

Now what are we going to do:doh:

Experiment for yourself... that's how they found what works for them... just remember one thing.. Tim's draw length is 32.5" AMO so what works for him isn't necessarily going to work for someone with a shorter draw unless you want to increase poundage..

Experiment for yourself... that's how they found what works for them... just remember one thing.. Tim's draw length is 32.5" AMO so what works for him isn't necessarily going to work for someone with a shorter draw unless you want to increase poundage..

My dl is 31" so I have to value the experiences of knuckle-draggers like Hammer more than that of little guys like Danny. If I were to shoot 75 lbs with spiral cams like Danny does but with my 31" dl I'd have to shoot 550 (or more) grain arrows to stay ASA legal.

That being said, where I do shoot a Hoyt with spirals I will get close to the same velocity at 63-64 lbs as Tim gets at 70 with the Apex.

The problem with experimentation for me is I like to get a real close starting point by then simply fine tune as I have to pay for my equipment and have a real job + two young kids.

My dl is 31" so I have to value the experiences of knuckle-draggers like Hammer more than that of little guys like Danny. If I were to shoot 75 lbs with spiral cams like Danny does but with my 31" dl I'd have to shoot 550 (or more) grain arrows to stay ASA legal.

That being said, where I do shoot a Hoyt with spirals I will get close to the same velocity at 63-64 lbs as Tim gets at 70 with the Apex.

The problem with experimentation for me is I like to get a real close starting point by then simply fine tune as I have to pay for my equipment and have a real job + two young kids.

That can certainly put a cramp in experimentation...:rockon: but it doesn't change the fact that the only true way to find the best setup is to experiment as much as possible... I've seen a vane change add 2 points to an average..

That can certainly put a cramp in experimentation...:rockon: but it doesn't change the fact that the only true way to find the best setup is to experiment as much as possible... I've seen a vane change add 2 points to an average..


.....or for that matter even re-aligning the same vane from a straight to a helical:doh:

In today's game where many shooters are approaching perfect scores the most minute changes can make the difference between 1st and 20th place!

There is just NO room for error anymore. Oh well, I still have fun trying.:biggrin1:

At the shop I frequent, someone has some used triple x's for sale on the bargain counter.. I sure would like to try them. A man I shot with at the Ga.State tournament was using them with his Apex 7 and they were flying very good.

At the shop I frequent, someone has some used triple x's for sale on the bargain counter.. I sure would like to try them. A man I shot with at the Ga.State tournament was using them with his Apex 7 and they were flying very good.

To many are shooting some really good scores with them.
DB

I also read Danny's article regarding setting up arrows for the Reading shoot....the arrows that he used were ACEs. Aces are aluminum and carbon. They are also barraled shape... Totally different than other pure carbon arrows.
ACE's are great arrows, but a much more finikie than other arrows. But when they are set up correctly to your bow/draw etc....they are probably the most accurate and flat shooting arrows in the world. If I were shooting Eastons, ACEs would no doubt be my choice.

IMHO the spine for pure carbon arrows vs Aluminum/aluminum carbon is different...I can't explain. Tim gave me an explanation, but I can't remember what he said.

if the gold tips triple x's won't shoot. don't tell levi morgan.

I also read Danny's article regarding setting up arrows for the Reading shoot....the arrows that he used were ACEs. Aces are aluminum and carbon. They are also barraled shape... Totally different than other pure carbon arrows.
ACE's are great arrows, but a much more finikie than other arrows. But when they are set up correctly to your bow/draw etc....they are probably the most accurate and flat shooting arrows in the world. If I were shooting Eastons, ACEs would no doubt be my choice.

IMHO the spine for pure carbon arrows vs Aluminum/aluminum carbon is different...I can't explain. Tim gave me an explanation, but I can't remember what he said.

if the gold tips triple x's won't shoot. don't tell levi morgan.


Most wouldnt use these for long distance shoots like Redding where your shooting 100yrds. But 50yrds and under these work quite well.
DB

I'm shooting my TripleX Pros cut 1" in front of the rest with a 150 grain "pro-style" GoldTip point. I started with those arrows cut at 30" and also with a 200 grain point (against Hammer's advice....but I just HAD to try the longer things, haha).
Those longer arrows and heavier points shot like crap out of my bow! I only have a 27 3/8" AMO drawlength and shoot only 47# peak weight out of my Merlin XV.

Once I got rid of over 3" of arrrow and brought the point weight down to 150 grains (as per Hammer's advice), those arrows started shooting great out of the bow. I don't "trust" paper tear, but they also run thru the paper nearly perfectly at all distances as well (for what that is worth, haha).

If I was trying to shoot the 2712 arrows, there is no way they would shoot this short or with this light of a point in them. In fact, I can just about put one of my ULPro 500's inside my XXX and the arrow would still weigh LESS than a 2712 with the 300 grain point in it!

My total arrow weight with the GT XXX with the 150 grain points and 4" feathers is 423 grains. Why would I want to shoot a 600 grain arrow with a paper thin wall that will "bend" in a short time....? Oh, the XXX is shooting 227 fps out of my Merlin XV too, and I don't have to increase the poundage to get it to work.

field14

filed ...there are some (including the Cleatus) that feel the xxx's shoot better with the 100 instead of the 150..... why...heck I don't know..I just know they do....

I'm shooting my TripleX Pros cut 1" in front of the rest with a 150 grain "pro-style" GoldTip point. I started with those arrows cut at 30" and also with a 200 grain point (against Hammer's advice....but I just HAD to try the longer things, haha).
Those longer arrows and heavier points shot like crap out of my bow! I only have a 27 3/8" AMO drawlength and shoot only 47# peak weight out of my Merlin XV.

Once I got rid of over 3" of arrrow and brought the point weight down to 150 grains (as per Hammer's advice), those arrows started shooting great out of the bow. I don't "trust" paper tear, but they also run thru the paper nearly perfectly at all distances as well (for what that is worth, haha).

If I was trying to shoot the 2712 arrows, there is no way they would shoot this short or with this light of a point in them. In fact, I can just about put one of my ULPro 500's inside my XXX and the arrow would still weigh LESS than a 2712 with the 300 grain point in it!

My total arrow weight with the GT XXX with the 150 grain points and 4" feathers is 423 grains. Why would I want to shoot a 600 grain arrow with a paper thin wall that will "bend" in a short time....? Oh, the XXX is shooting 227 fps out of my Merlin XV too, and I don't have to increase the poundage to get it to work.

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One of my customers that is a really good shot (59x avg) just started trying them. Like you he could not bring himself to cut them short to start with. At first they did not shoot well so he cut 2" off. It grouped better. So he finally got them all the way down. Says they are pounding X's now.

Said the only down side is the ultra elite has a high tear to it that he can't get out of it. I talked to "HAMMER" and he said it's common with the hoyts because of the nock travel. We tried a weaker blade and it got better.

It's still not perfect through paper and it looks kind of funny because it is slightly nock low when not drawn. But they shoot really good.

I'm shooting my TripleX Pros cut 1" in front of the rest with a 150 grain "pro-style" GoldTip point. I started with those arrows cut at 30" and also with a 200 grain point (against Hammer's advice....but I just HAD to try the longer things, haha).
Those longer arrows and heavier points shot like crap out of my bow! I only have a 27 3/8" AMO drawlength and shoot only 47# peak weight out of my Merlin XV.

Once I got rid of over 3" of arrrow and brought the point weight down to 150 grains (as per Hammer's advice), those arrows started shooting great out of the bow. I don't "trust" paper tear, but they also run thru the paper nearly perfectly at all distances as well (for what that is worth, haha).

If I was trying to shoot the 2712 arrows, there is no way they would shoot this short or with this light of a point in them. In fact, I can just about put one of my ULPro 500's inside my XXX and the arrow would still weigh LESS than a 2712 with the 300 grain point in it!

My total arrow weight with the GT XXX with the 150 grain points and 4" feathers is 423 grains. Why would I want to shoot a 600 grain arrow with a paper thin wall that will "bend" in a short time....? Oh, the XXX is shooting 227 fps out of my Merlin XV too, and I don't have to increase the poundage to get it to work.

field14



Good Post.
DB

filed ...there are some (including the Cleatus) that feel the xxx's shoot better with the 100 instead of the 150..... why...heck I don't know..I just know they do....

Yes, there are some out there that are shooting the XXX's with 100 grain points in them and having great success with them.

I'm not sure I'd try that with my setup, however, since I'd have to abandon my Pro-Point style tips...and I really like this "new technology"....that the only difference between those and the "chisel-points" of 40+ years ago is the LENGTH of the "chisel." So much for "modern technology."

"New and improved?" If it is NEW, then how can it be "improved" at the same time? Typical marketing double talk, haha.

field14

Indoor set ups
120 to the very popular 150 point is common with the 45lb to 60lb indoor bows, and for the most part cut just past the arrow rest – it is amazing this setup is to tunes and shoots well.

On the 3D side of things when running 60lb to 70 lb equipment folks have been running just a 100 up front this set up has been working well with accuracy- ease of tuning and yet the 100 carries just enough FOC balance to keep the big Triples smashin 12s :D