Someone posted this picture from a PBR magazine. I can't confirm or deny the validity of this picture.

look they finally figured a way to kep those blowtech limbs together......

that really has to be the ugliest bow I have ever seen.......

look they finally figured a way to kep those blowtech limbs together......

that really has to be the ugliest bow I have ever seen.......

You always make it a habbit of calling a bow,, blow,,,,, man?

i bet my bowtech can out shoot whatever you shoot:rockon:

looking at that I can't figure out how it would work as the riser appears to be solid... weird.

how long before Elite comes out with their version? :)

rumored specs...

Guardian
33.75" ata
321-329 IBO
7 1/8" brace

Well, to me, it looks as though there are pivot points on the riser, as if the ends of the riser would sweep back at full draw......?????? Strange, but I'm sure they are not going to market something that dont work..

As for the rumored specs......If that is what it does, I'll take an Allegiance!:noidea:

Ok, just talked to Bowtech last night. They said the Guardian and Commander are going to cause a big stir in the industry.

The new system completely eliminates any cam lean. But that's not the big thing. The big thing is the pivot points are totally different. With the riser designed the way it is, it shoots and aims like a big bow. It has something to do with the pivot point being behind the grip instead of in front of the grip like typical systems.

No bow press needed to change the strings and cables.

Supposedly they tune incredibly easy. The average archer will see dramatic improvements in accuracy according to BT.

I know I can't wait till they show up so I can start testing them.

Oh here are some specs direct from Bowtech
Commander
37-1/4" Axle
7-1/2" brace
draw lengths 27-32"
IBO 318

Guardian
33-3/7" Axle
7-1/4" brace
draw lenghts 25-30"
IBO 329

Oh and get this a new Constitution
41" axle
8-1/4" brace
320 IBO:rockon:

New cams on the tribute and allegiance. The Allegiance riser is a bit lighter this year.

Oh and Side Plate Grips :peace: . Target colors will be Chrome, Black Chrome and Marble. Boy I really liked the Blue and Red last year but they said it was too hard to produce.

If anyone knows of any shops in the Eastern Pa ,, NJ,, De,, Md area that has the new Bowtechs out please post. The small shops in my area said not until late Dec.

just because they are advertising the new bows does not mean they are available yet.......

Gee, ya think Bowman. I was referring to when they are released!

Gee, ya think Bowman. I was referring to when they are released!

are you going to change you name?

If anyone knows of any shops in the Eastern Pa ,, NJ,, De,, Md area that has the new Bowtechs out please post. The small shops in my area said not until late Dec.

actually smart guy reread your post before you speak........

Looks like I might have to Dredly. If it is as sweet as people are saying than definately. Sorry for mistating a post Bowman, maybe I'll grow up to be as smart as you someday, looks like you were the only one that could not figure that out.:laugh:

if you have not relized it, noone will ever be as smart as me.....I am a legend in my own mind.....:laugh:

if you have not relized it, noone will ever be as smart as me.....I am a legend in my own mind.....:laugh:

as scary as that thought is I believe it! haha

finally some one agrees........

That is a pretty ugly bow but, can you imagine what the traditional archers said when they seen the first compound????? If I can get my hands on one I'll give it a test.:peace:

That is a pretty ugly bow but, can you imagine what the traditional archers said when they seen the first compound????? If I can get my hands on one I'll give it a test.:peace:

have fun and remember i say this to myself every morning in the mirror......looks are not everything......

i bet my bowtech can out shoot whatever you shoot:rockon:

Well I guess that is a relative term given this movie here...and they shoot recurves...a bow is only as good as the man shooting it, regardless of FPS, brace height, doodads and widgets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcNY2t0h-HE&eurl

It's about 4:30 mins in length and if you can do that bro with your Diamond join the olympics, oh and note the distances in meters too:laugh: :rockon:

I'm new to bow hunting and i dont know much about whats good and whats not but that is one of the ugliest bows ive ever seen!!!

I already posted that in another thread....the korean archery thread

I heard they got rid of the cam lean by changing the cables to the other side of the cam..... Swapped the cables and string around....

I heard they got rid of the cam lean by changing the cables to the other side of the cam..... Swapped the cables and string around....

wouldn't that just make them lean the other way?

wouldn't that just make them lean the other way?

now thats funny but ......hes right.......

Instead of wasting time and money on fixing this "great" idea (binary) why dont they just come up w/something that works properly in the first place.....

I recently bought the Elite E-Force and what a bad experience this was. I personally can not wait for these new BowTechs to arrive on the shelves so I can see tyhem hands on. If they are as good as the other products Bowtech continues to put out I would be interested in one.

I currently shoot a Mathews Switchback (27 inch @ 60 lbs) and the E-force (26 inch @ 65 lbs). I am hunting with the Switchback this year because the dealer that sold me the Elite set the bow up so bad I didn't have time to shoot it. Sadly enough I brought the Elite to a dealer that sells BowTech and Mathews to fix it (same one that sold me my mathews) and he set the Elite up to shoot. At least now I can shoot the bow and get some enjoyment out of it. I just wish I had faith in the Elite Archery Company like I have had in all the bows I have owned and the companies that made them. Jennings, Browning, PSE and Mathews. I have searched for a contact email for Elite to answer some of my questions but they have absolutely nothing. I understand they are a new company, but they have to understnad the customers concerns. When they let their customers get the information from a forum about their (Elite Archery) bows, they are not a very good business to deal with.

All in all I do like the Elite Eforce, but anyone can see it is a Bowtech copy. The one thing that sold me over the Bowtech was the camo on it, very nice. Now that it is shooting for me and set up properly it is very fast but not as smooth as my Mathews Switchback. But owning the bow and having customer support from the company is two things thayt shold go hand in hand. They are two things that I will look for in the future. My own fault for jumping on a pretty bow without doing a little research on my own first. I also listened to a dealer that obviously didn't want to get stuck with bows from a going under company. But maybe the lesson here is you sholdn't screw the customer.

My .02 cents only.

I also listened to a dealer that obviously didn't want to get stuck with bows from a going under company. .

has there been any word on wether they are done or not......thought for sure they would have been done by now......guess now w/the way the new bowtechs look that they wont have to worry about any copyrights.......

has there been any word on wether they are done or not......thought for sure they would have been done by now......guess now w/the way the new bowtechs look that they wont have to worry about any copyrights.......

They are producing a limited 07 line... No lefties or short draw bows though.

They are producing a limited 07 line... No lefties or short draw bows though.

well no short draw that means I an out .........maybe we CAN be 3dshoots buddies.......

well no short draw that means I an out .........maybe we CAN be 3dshoots buddies.......

Yeah just what I need a 3dshoots buddy that can't even draw 27 inches. :laugh:

Yeah just what I need a 3dshoots buddy that can't even draw 27 inches. :laugh:

I can and do......27.5

I can and do......27.5

I'll look like a giant next to you drawing my 30.5... nope you must be at least 28 inch draw to shoot. Sorry

I'll look like a giant next to you drawing my 30.5... nope you must be at least 28 inch draw to shoot. Sorry

fine I never really cared to be seen next to a bowrejct anyway:mad: .....:biggrin1:

In my line of work, I have learned to not make judgements until you have had the item in your hands and tested it. Otherwise you end up like this:doh:

Sometimes the goofy or strange looking items work the best. Just look back at the early opinions of drop aways, whisker biscuits and the STS.

In my line of work, I have learned to not make judgements until you have had the item in your hands and tested it. Otherwise you end up like this:doh:

Sometimes the goofy or strange looking items work the best. Just look back at the early opinions of drop aways, whisker biscuits and the STS.

ok so drop aways I will admit I said nah at first and found out there not so bad.......STS thought it was great from the begining and still do......

And last but not least the WB...............................they sucked when they first came out and my opinion has never and will never change.....thank you....

ok so drop aways I will admit I said nah at first and found out there not so bad.......STS thought it was great from the begining and still do......

And last but not least the WB...............................they sucked when they first came out and my opinion has never and will never change.....thank you....

Bowman, haven't you killed that dead horse yet? He's gotta be dog food already.:deadhorse:

Bowman, haven't you killed that dead horse yet? He's gotta be dog food already.:deadhorse:
Yeah! Pick on something else for awhile like......Mathews.
Once you go mathews you'll wanna switchback:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Bowman, haven't you killed that dead horse yet? He's gotta be dog food already.:deadhorse:

In his own mind he is winning the fight... just let him pretend to know what he's talking about and he'll be much more bearable :)

In his own mind he is winning the fight... just let him pretend to know what he's talking about and he'll be much more bearable :)

ok but you know that next its going to be the commander and the guardian.....

Bowman, haven't you killed that dead horse yet? He's gotta be dog food already.:deadhorse:

I will beat this horse until all of its kids and all of the generations of horses before it are dead......

I will beat this horse until all of its kids and all of the generations of horses before it are dead......

What if it's such a cool bow in your hands that shoots better than anything you could ever dream of,,,,,,,, and you buy one??







You'll be eatin' many crows.......

well now if there were an actual reason for me to shoot one.....that may come true.....but as seeing as the only dealer around these parts is a complete idiot......I dont see that happening.......I might buy a bow in a sealed box from him if it were the only place to get said bow........but I would not let this two faced joker attempt to do what he calls tunning.......

I went there today and shot a Ross......and all he could do was tel me how fast a bowtech is and how my Switchback and all Mathews for that matter were slow and out dated......but yet when you call his place on the phone....and his wifey answers....ask if they sell mathews.....oh not yet but we have been trying for a while was her exact answer.......

by the way It was a ross cr334 and I have to admit it shot pretty nice.....only ross in the store though.....as i was walking in the last cr337 was walking out the door....:Cry: really wanted to try that one......

and by the way the hole time I was shooting it he kept trying to push an Allegeince down my throat.....and why cuz its faster.......that was his answer to everything.......

I think thats the reason alot of bow companies get bad raps.....because the people who represent them, act like this.......

I think thats the reason alot of bow companies get bad raps.....because the people who represent them, act like this.......

There's bad dealers and then there's good dealers,, just like customers.

Keep on kicking that dead horse my friend but the bottom line is they keep on killing deer after deer after deer after deer after deer. So maybe your opinion is not correct after all..............huh guys thats something to think about.:D Bowmans opinion not right maybe just a way to up the ole post count.:dizzy:

As for the Guardian like I said before its very ugly but if I can get my hands on one I'll give it a few shots and compare it to the greatest bow ever produced(Mathews Switchback XT):laugh: J/K thats only my opinion.

I went there today and shot a Ross......and all he could do was tel me how fast a bowtech is and how my Switchback and all Mathews for that matter were slow and out dated......



Well I guess he isn't a COMPLETE idiot :lol:

I hate when stores trash other peoples equipment, it really bugs the crap out of me and most of the time if I hear it happening I'll just walk out of the store.

Well I guess he isn't a COMPLETE idiot :lol:

I hate when stores trash other peoples equipment, it really bugs the crap out of me and most of the time if I hear it happening I'll just walk out of the store.

I had to just walk away from the guy......I cant stand all of the its not fast enough......listen pal....My Icon just barley shoots 200fps......lets shoot a indoor 300......lets see what that super fast allegiance does......

I had to just walk away from the guy......I cant stand all of the its not fast enough......listen pal....My Icon just barley shoots 200fps......lets shoot a indoor 300......lets see what that super fast allegiance does......

I'd rather miss quickly then hit slowly :)

I think thats the reason alot of bow companies get bad raps.....because the people who represent them, act like this.......

i went to a bow shop the other day and all that the guy did was bad mouth matthews, because they werent as fast as bow wreck. And that the single cam was out dated.

i went to a bow shop the other day and all that the guy did was bad mouth matthews, because they werent as fast as bow wreck. And that the single cam was out dated.

gee must have been a certain shop in the red hook area.....not nameing any names but lets just say that joe the schmoe dont know nothing about getting and keeping customeres........when were you there? we were probably there at the same time and did not even know it.....

There's bad dealers and then there's good dealers,, just like customers.

so are you saying I may not be a good customer......:biggrin1:

so are you saying I may not be a good customer......:biggrin1:

thats ridiculous everyone knows your a great customer just a poor judge of arrow rests.:laugh: How ya doin today my friend??

thats ridiculous everyone knows your a great customer just a poor judge of arrow rests.:laugh: How ya doin today my friend??

better than yestarday.......and not as good as tommarow.....

better than yestarday.......and not as good as tommarow.....


Ah tommorrow who knows what that will bring?????:noidea:

Ah tommorrow who knows what that will bring?????:noidea:

if I call in sick tommorow and go hunting it will be good... otherwise it will probably be as busy as today and I'll just be even more tired...

oh wait. I have a call tommorow night from 12:00 AM until 5:00 am... then work all day wed... crap

oh wait. I have a call tommorow night from 12:00 AM until 5:00 am... then work all day wed... crap



Huh:noidea:

Huh:noidea:

just remembered we are doing an upgrade tommorow night... crap

gotcha.....call in anyway.......who needs sleep you will sleep when your dead......dred.....