Check out the Stabilizers and how his bow just releases to toward the target.

Good archers make it look flawless.

Click on the link


http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=764908&stc=1&d=1271302478

DB, the only thing I see is a picture of a B-stinger

That is his point:biggrin1:

DB, the only thing I see is a picture of a B-stinger

Sorry Chris wrong link.

Can you change the link in the first post.

Right link


http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z289/okiebwhtr/Archers/?action=view&current=Picture1657.flv

That is his point:biggrin1:

Point is many are winning and winning bigtime in ASA/IBO in the mens class with B Stingers:rockon: Check out how they explode toward the target:peace:
DB

I know bud. I was watching the Vegas shoot tonight before seeing this thread. Almost all of the pros do that using everything from Doinker, Beiter, to Stingers.

The ones that are winning are the ones that are normally winning or right there at the top.Equipment can only do so much. Then it is up to the shooter.

I know bud. I was watching the Vegas shoot tonight before seeing this thread. Almost all of the pros do that using everything from Doinker, Beiter, to Stingers.

The ones that are winning are the ones that are normally winning or right there at the top.Equipment can only do so much. Then it is up to the shooter.

Then it really should not matter to you what others shoot :rockon: If you really feel equipment doesnt matter. I happen to think differnt than you for sure. Good equipment is just part of the equation to winning.
DB

Then it really should not matter to you what others shoot :rockon: If you really feel equipment doesnt matter. I happen to think differnt than you for sure. Good equipment is just part of the equation to winning.
DB

It doesn't matter to me what a person decides to use. I mean sure, when I see someone of Levi's caliber or Dave's caliber I look at what they are using. But more importantly I look at how they are using it to see if I am doing something wrong.

I can build the fastest racecar on the planet. But, if I do not have a driver that knows how to drive. It will not do me any good. The equipment can only take you so far.

I can build the best bow, best arrow, best rest, best stab best, well you get the picture. I mean technologically superior. Give it to the average Joe and they will do ok. Put it in one of the top pros hands and it will something to see.

Some of it also has to do with timing. You could not beat Jeff Hopkins a few years back no matter what you did. Then it was Dan McCarthy and now it is Levi Morgan.

It doesn't matter to me what a person decides to use. I mean sure, when I see someone of Levi's caliber or Dave's caliber I look at what they are using. But more importantly I look at how they are using it to see if I am doing something wrong.

I can build the fastest racecar on the planet. But, if I do not have a driver that knows how to drive. It will not do me any good. The equipment can only take you so far.

I can build the best bow, best arrow, best rest, best stab best, well you get the picture. I mean technologically superior. Give it to the average Joe and they will do ok. Put it in one of the top pros hands and it will something to see.

Some of it also has to do with timing. You could not beat Jeff Hopkins a few years back no matter what you did. Then it was Dan McCarthy and now it is Levi Morgan.

Jeff Hopkins and many are and have switched to B Stingers. I do notice this and even ask them about the product. I sure didnt jump on the B Stinger product right off. They have been around awhile. Got to admit Jivi switching certianly was encouraging to me because I respect Mikes opionion highly. Its only after pro after pro told me its increasing there scores. I said there something to this.
DB

Jeff Hopkins and many are and have switched to B Stingers. I do notice this and even ask them about the product. I sure didnt jump on the B Stinger product right off. They have been around awhile. Got to admit Jivi switching certianly was encouraging to me because I respect Mikes opionion highly. Its only after pro after pro told me its increasing there scores. I said there something to this.
DB
This is in no way saying anything bad about the pros. They are trying to make a living like the rest of us.
The only thing I have against the pros is that they will say whatever they need to , to push a paid sponsors product. And I know I will get a bunch of hate mail about saying that and I am sorry. But, it is true. just like one of the big Hoyt names going over to Mathews. While at Hoyt, it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now that he is with Mathews, it is the best thing ever. No big deal to me. I shoot what I like but it has to do with this discussion.

The only thing I look at is the product and the average person and also the people I know on a personal level.. I used to hear Stinger this and Stinger that so I tried one. As I have said , it is a great stab. But I just did not like the chunk of metal looK coming off the end. Kind of like a shower curtain.The concept is great. Then the Smooth Stability line came along. Built on the same principle but they opened up (looks like a satellite dish, I know) the end which I liked a lot better. No one was talking about them. But now, they are slowly catching on. But the point is. They work. Just as the Stingers work.

This is in no way saying anything bad about the pros. They are trying to make a living like the rest of us.
The only thing I have against the pros is that they will say whatever they need to , to push a paid sponsors product. And I know I will get a bunch of hate mail about saying that and I am sorry. But, it is true. just like one of the big Hoyt names going over to Mathews. While at Hoyt, it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now that he is with Mathews, it is the best thing ever. No big deal to me. I shoot what I like but it has to do with this discussion.

The only thing I look at is the product and the average person and also the people I know on a personal level.. I used to hear Stinger this and Stinger that so I tried one. As I have said , it is a great stab. But I just did not like the chunk of metal looK coming off the end. Kind of like a shower curtain.The concept is great. Then the Smooth Stability line came along. Built on the same principle but they opened up (looks like a satellite dish, I know) the end which I liked a lot better. No one was talking about them. But now, they are slowly catching on. But the point is. They work. Just as the Stingers work.

I consider many of them friends. I dont feel they ever lie to me and tell me something not honest. Just my true feelings of guys like Nathan Brooks, Jeesee and Eric Grigg and Darrin Christenberry. I often ask those tough questions and feel I get the true answers Im looking for. Really sorry you dont find them honest. You obviously have not sat down and talk to very many and you know several come here to 3d shoots.com. Jame Jamison and Chris Hacker have helped me decide to try a Hoyt. Good move for me but if not for them giving me advice it might not have happened. Hope oneday your opionion changes.
DB

I consider many of them friends. I dont feel they ever lie to me and tell me something not honest. Just my true feelings of guys like Nathan Brooks, Jeesee and Eric Grigg and Darrin Christenberry. I often ask those tough questions and feel I get the true answers Im looking for. Really sorry you dont find them honest. You obviously have not sat down and talk to very many and you know several come here to 3d shoots.com. Jame Jamison and Chris Hacker have helped me decide to try a Hoyt. Good move for me but if not for them giving me advice it might not have happened. Hope oneday your opionion changes.
DB

Did not say they were not honest. Just have to weed through all of it sometimes. I have sat down and talked to several of them. Most of the people in the archery bizz are as honest as they come.

I will never have to aplologize for being honest.

There is a certain bow company that has it in the contact that if you mention another brand or a family member shoots another brand , you will be breaking your contract and lose sponsorship. So it is not that they are not honest. Sometimes it is what they do not or can not say. Now that is sad.


But anyhow , back on topic. Glad to see Levi shooting so good. He is my boy.

Nite nite DB

Did not say they were not honest. Just have to weed through all of it sometimes. I have sat down and talked to several of them. Most of the people in the archery bizz are as honest as they come.

I will never have to aplologize for being honest.

There is a certain bow company that has it in the contact that if you mention another brand or a family member shoots another brand , you will be breaking your contract and lose sponsorship. So it is not that they are not honest. Sometimes it is what they do not or can not say. Now that is sad.


But anyhow , back on topic. Glad to see Levi shooting so good. He is my boy.

Please inform us which bow manufactuer this is? If your going to make claims like this tell us who it is. But I assure you if Im paying someone to shoot my bows they should be loyal to the manufactuer and find nothing wrong with that. Pro shooters are using the equipment and showing everyone that the brand can and will win.:peace:
DB

Then it really should not matter to you what others shoot :rockon: If you really feel equipment doesnt matter. I happen to think differnt than you for sure. Good equipment is just part of the equation to winning.
DB



DB if all it took in archery to win was to spend money on equipment, I would be a 3 times Vegas winner by now.:cool:

Please inform us which bow manufactuer this is? If your going to make claims like this tell us who it is. But I assure you if Im paying someone to shoot my bows they should be loyal to the manufactuer and find nothing wrong with that. Pro shooters are using the equipment and showing everyone that the brand can and will win.:peace:
DB

Now you know I can not do that. But there was a big thread about the same thing on AT if the mods have not deleted it by now. You know how they are.

DB if all it took in archery to win was to spend money on equipment, I would be a 3 times Vegas winner by now.:cool:

Right there with you buddy. I call it my part to keep the economy going.
DB

Right there with you buddy. I call it my part to keep the economy going.
DB

Seems like I am stimulating the economy more and more myself:biggrin1:

I don't see anything different in Levi's form from plenty of other archers. In fact if he were an inexperieced archer, I would suggest that he change his bow hand a little.

However, it's the things that you can't see that he obviously does so much better than everyone else.

Thanks for posting DB.

Allen

I don't see anything different in Levi's form from plenty of other archers. In fact if he were an inexperieced archer, I would suggest that he change his bow hand a little.

However, it's the things that you can't see that he obviously does so much better than everyone else.

Thanks for posting DB.

Allen

I was wondering if someone might say there form is wrong:peace:

How about this guys form. He sureneeds a new release.:biggrin1:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z289/okiebwhtr/Archers/60020529.jpg

All the championships he has won, I would leave it alone. :rockon:

I was wondering if someone might say there form is wrong:peace:

How about this guys form. He sureneeds a new release.:biggrin1:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z289/okiebwhtr/Archers/60020529.jpg

Yeh, With the way that guy is holding his release, it's obvious that he can't shoot worth a lick.

















Except, of course, for all those Shooter of the Year awards he won.:laugh:


I wish there was a way for us to see what guys like Jeff & Levi see when they are shooting. I bet it is very different than what most of us see.

Allen

Here is another guy with form so bad that he should just hang it up:

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=245345&highlight=trillus





















Except for that World Championship and the recent win at Vegas. :laugh:


Good shooters often don't have perfect form. I wish I knew what they do have that I don't.

Allen

Here is another guy with form so bad that he should just hang it up:

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=245345&highlight=trillus















Except for that World Championship and the recent win at Vegas. :laugh:


Good shooters often don't have perfect form. I wish I knew what they do have that I don't.

Allen

Heck he just old and cant straighten his back.:biggrin1: Dudes a freak of nature. Needs to find a BT release for sure.
DB

Yeh, With the way that guy is holding his release, it's obvious that he can't shoot worth a lick.

















Except, of course, for all those Shooter of the Year awards he won.:laugh:


I wish there was a way for us to see what guys like Jeff & Levi see when they are shooting. I bet it is very different than what most of us see.

Allen

What they see is a pin sitting right on the 12ring.

We see this

That's a great thread.:lol:

Damn keyboard coaches anyway.:laugh:

That's a great thread.:lol:

Damn keyboard coaches anyway.:laugh:

Sometimes you just got to be honest and the truth hurts. Heck Xquest is 73 and can hold steadier than me. :peace:
DB

Sometimes you just got to be honest and the truth hurts. Heck Xquest is 73 and can hold steadier than me. :peace:
DB

DB,

Has Dean ever told you what he did to learn to hold steady? I think that it's a matter of form & focus, but I've been practicing that for some time and on good days it looks about like your avatar. On bad days, well :Cry:

Thanks,
Allen

I have been shooting them for 2 years now and I will never ever shoot another stabilizer again. Blair and everyone are just great people and make great bars.

B stingers are not any better than the Xtremes...... and a lot cheaper, and yes I have tried them both.

B stingers are not any better than the Xtremes...... and a lot cheaper, and yes I have tried them both.

Lot of pros can prove you wrong. You saying Levi wrong? Will see who shooting what in Kentucky and you can go tell them there shooting the wrong stabilizers. There over rated.:doh:
DB

If the pro's shoot it, it's gold.

If the pro's shoot it, it's gold.

There no doubt the pros wouldnt have a qlue about what to shoot to win.

Ask Master Celtues wife she a pro. She most likely doesnt shoot whats on her bow because it helps her win.

That darn Levi been lying to me. He said he really like the B stingers. Jeff Hopkins. Whats an archer to do. I think Ill chance and think they actually know what there talking about.

But Ill inform them that most of you here dont believe they shoot the products to win.:peace:

Javi he even is shooting them.
DB

B stingers are not any better than the Xtremes...... and a lot cheaper, and yes I have tried them both.

Does your wife shoot the products on her bow to win. Or does she shoot just because she gets them for free and really thinks all products are eqaul?

Could be a double standard here.
DB

I have been shooting them for 2 years now and I will never ever shoot another stabilizer again. Blair and everyone are just great people and make great bars.

Are you just saying that because oneday you going to be a pro archer?:peace: You really mean that about them folks at B Stinger?:biggrin1:
DB

DB, easy there big fella. I think being back on AT is taking its toll on you (yeah I saw that B Stinger thread there).

DB, easy there big fella. I think being back on AT is taking its toll on you (yeah I saw that B Stinger thread there).

Pros obviously dont have a qlue what works. I wouldnt dare try something that seems to be working for alot of pros. Just would not try that product. Just doesnt make sense to try it.
DB

Ever wonder why pros dont come on these forums?

Why would they come on and even try to give there opionions to only be bashed.:peace: I do get it and Im not 100% sure why I even post these videos. I even disscussed why they use the product.:doh:

Use to have so many that posted on the forums but time and so many that know more than the pros.


Good luck and use whatever you want. Dont dare try what seems to be working for several.:D :peace: :wave:
DB

I actually appreciate the videos DB. Never really get to see them shoot unless you are there.

I actually appreciate the videos DB. Never really get to see them shoot unless you are there.

You honestly need to go talk to some of these pros and get answers from them why they do what they do. I use to have several posting at AT untell several just flat told them they were wrong.

Nathan Brooks and Eric Griggs took time to post how they shot BT after I ask them to post there. It got so crazy everyone telling them they were doing it wrong. Chance even mentioned he shoots BT that way. Sure didnt take long for the pros to stop posting on archery forums.

You certianly cant blame them for not posting. I researched B Stingers and talked to so many before switching. They dont BS and they dont lie. They do look for what makes them shoot well. Attend a Pro am and go up and talk and ask them what there reasons for using that product. See if you feel there looking you right in the face and not telling you the truth.
DB

You honestly need to go talk to some of these pros and get answers from them why they do what they do. I use to have several posting at AT untell several just flat told them they were wrong.

Nathan Brooks and Eric Griggs took time to post how they shot BT after I ask them to post there. It got so crazy everyone telling them they were doing it wrong. Chance even mentioned he shoots BT that way. Sure didnt take long for the pros to stop posting on archery forums.

You certianly cant blame them for not posting. I researched B Stingers and talked to so many before switching. They dont BS and they dont lie. They do look for what makes them shoot well. Attend a Pro am and go up and talk and ask them what there reasons for using that product. See if you feel there looking you right in the face and not telling you the truth.
DB


They are still there . Just laying low. I for one do not tell anyone they are wrong. Ever. Just simply because no one is the same. Take me for instance. I lean back at full draw. Not because my DL is too long or anything like that. I fell 40 feet onetime and got busted up pretty bad. I have to lean back for it to be comfortable enough for me to shoot due to back damage.

Not getting into the stab thing.

They are still there . Just laying low. I for one do not tell anyone they are wrong. Ever. Just simply because no one is the same. Take me for instance. I lean back at full draw. Not because my DL is too long or anything like that. I fell 40 feet onetime and got busted up pretty bad. I have to lean back for it to be comfortable enough for me to shoot due to back damage.

Not getting into the stab thing.

Its so compititve on that level. Just like the stabilizer buissness.:peace:
DB

Pros obviously dont have a qlue what works. I wouldnt dare try something that seems to be working for alot of pros. Just would not try that product. Just doesnt make sense to try it.
DB

I wasn't saying anything about doubting your info, the Pros or B-Stingers so don't blow up on me :mad:

I wasn't saying anything about doubting your info, the Pros or B-Stingers so don't blow up on me :mad:

Your qoute

DB, easy there big fella. I think being back on AT is taking its toll on you (yeah I saw that B Stinger thread there).

I have been the same guy for years on archery forums. I still support the pros and think we all should learn from them. Nothing changed about me.
Im quite a bit older but the feeling for the pros will never change. I just hate the fact most pros wont post on archery forums because they have nothing to gain and alot of crap to deal with if they do post so why post.
DB

Your qoute

DB, easy there big fella. I think being back on AT is taking its toll on you (yeah I saw that B Stinger thread there).

I have been the same guy for years on archery forums. I still support the pros and think we all should learn from them. Nothing changed about me.
Im quite a bit older but the feeling for the pros will never change. I just hate the fact most pros wont post on archery forums because they have nothing to gain and alot of crap to deal with if they do post so why post.
DB

I agree completely on listening and learning from the Pros and wish they'd post more often on topics on forums.

The comment about the AT thread was me saying I know where you're coming from with you trying to take on every person that posted anything negative or questioning, even though many were there just to try to start a fight with you. This isn't that thread though.

I did not post to start any fights with you.

This is in no way saying anything bad about the pros. They are trying to make a living like the rest of us.
The only thing I have against the pros is that they will say whatever they need to , to push a paid sponsors product. And I know I will get a bunch of hate mail about saying that and I am sorry. But, it is true. just like one of the big Hoyt names going over to Mathews. While at Hoyt, it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now that he is with Mathews, it is the best thing ever. No big deal to me. I shoot what I like but it has to do with this discussion.

The only thing I look at is the product and the average person and also the people I know on a personal level.. I used to hear Stinger this and Stinger that so I tried one. As I have said , it is a great stab. But I just did not like the chunk of metal looK coming off the end. Kind of like a shower curtain.The concept is great. Then the Smooth Stability line came along. Built on the same principle but they opened up (looks like a satellite dish, I know) the end which I liked a lot better. No one was talking about them. But now, they are slowly catching on. But the point is. They work. Just as the Stingers work.

I have read through this thread and stewed on it over night. I know the former "Hoyt Shooter" you speak of....better than you do. If you knew why he switched you wouldn't be making the statement you did. He's a great shooter and knows what he is looking for. It was not "all about the $$$" like you make it seem, but if that is what you want to believe go ahead.....

As well, 99% of Pro's BELIEVE in the products we shoot.....it's not an act. There is too much time and money vested to go out there with inferior equipment. I know I have never put a product on my bow or in my quiver because it was free....I use the product because it works. Simply stated you are misinformed and know far less than you think you know....

I agree completely on listening and learning from the Pros and wish they'd post more often on topics on forums.

The comment about the AT thread was me saying I know where you're coming from with you trying to take on every person that posted anything negative or questioning, even though many were there just to try to start a fight with you. This isn't that thread though.

I did not post to start any fights with you.

I was just making a point and if I took your post wrong. I certianly apoligize.
DB

I wanted to put my 2 cents in but I just checked my wallet and I am broke. So I am just going to set back and see what I can learn about stabilizers.

I have read through this thread and stewed on it over night. I know the former "Hoyt Shooter" you speak of....better than you do. If you knew why he switched you wouldn't be making the statement you did. He's a great shooter and knows what he is looking for. It was not "all about the $$$" like you make it seem, but if that is what you want to believe go ahead.....

As well, 99% of Pro's BELIEVE in the products we shoot.....it's not an act. There is too much time and money vested to go out there with inferior equipment. I know I have never put a product on my bow or in my quiver because it was free....I use the product because it works. Simply stated you are misinformed and know far less than you think you know....


Actually I know far more than anyone thinks I do ( I actually have a family member who is a top level shooter and has won many a shoots). You "think" you know who I am talking about and that is all good. I am glad it got you to thinking. :rockon:

Business is business. A top level pro is like a walking billboard from the top of their hats (if they wear one) down to their shoes. Manufacturers pay good money to have their names associated with them and to use their product. I am not pointing out any product here , it is done in general.

It is like Nascar. The car is nothing but a big ole billboard. Any name you see on that car is paying to be there. I am in noway telling you these people are lying to you when they say they are good products because, there are no "bad products" out there. I am not holding any agendas against them. I have always said it and will say it again. These top shooters have worked their butts off to get where they are and deserve everything they get.

If a pro shooter truely believes that the product they are using is the best out there (and I'm not saying they don't) why do they ever switch brands, after all, they have THE best so why look elsewhere?

Why doesn't 2nd, 3rd and 4th all switch to what #1 is shooting so they can be #1 too?

If I buy every product hawked by a pro shooter, does that mean that I will be as good of a shooter as they are?

If a pro shooter truely believes that the product they are using is the best out there (and I'm not saying they don't) why do they ever switch brands, after all, they have THE best so why look elsewhere?

Why doesn't 2nd, 3rd and 4th all switch to what #1 is shooting so they can be #1 too?

If I buy every product hawked by a pro shooter, does that mean that I will be as good of a shooter as they are?

Actually many times they do make the switch.:doh: Ole saying of you cant beat them join them.
DB

If a pro shooter truely believes that the product they are using is the best out there (and I'm not saying they don't) why do they ever switch brands, after all, they have THE best so why look elsewhere?

Why doesn't 2nd, 3rd and 4th all switch to what #1 is shooting so they can be #1 too?

If I buy every product hawked by a pro shooter, does that mean that I will be as good of a shooter as they are?

This is just an example that I know first hand. Let's say "Joe" is shooting brand X bow. He likes it and is doing good with it. A rep from bow y comes to him and says "I will pay you $6000 a year and give you a limit of 4 bows a year for free along with contingency money if you will shoot for us". Would you take it or pass?

This is just an example that I know first hand. Let's say "Joe" is shooting brand X bow. He likes it and is doing good with it. A rep from bow y comes to him and says "I will pay you $6000 a year and give you a limit of 4 bows a year for free along with contingency money if you will shoot for us". Would you take it or pass?

Question would be can he win with it? I have several chances to do contengency and pass. Ill just shot what works for me.:peace:
DB

Question would be can he win with it? I have several chances to do contengency and pass. Ill just shot what works for me.:peace:
DB

He can and does.:cool:

There no doubt the pros wouldnt have a qlue about what to shoot to win.

Ask Master Celtues wife she a pro. She most likely doesnt shoot whats on her bow because it helps her win.

That darn Levi been lying to me. He said he really like the B stingers. Jeff Hopkins. Whats an archer to do. I think Ill chance and think they actually know what there talking about.

But Ill inform them that most of you here dont believe they shoot the products to win.:peace:

Javi he even is shooting them.
DB

Don't get me into this one... :biggrin1:

after talking to many people including Blair, I decided to go with the new Doinkers and I'm very pleased with the way they handle and balance..

Blair makes a good product and many of the top folks are using them, but I chose a different route.

Don't get me into this one... :biggrin1:

after talking to many people including Blair, I decided to go with the new Doinkers and I'm very pleased with the way they handle and balance..

Blair makes a good product and many of the top folks are using them, but I chose a different route.

Glad you like them.
DB

If a pro shooter truely believes that the product they are using is the best out there (and I'm not saying they don't) why do they ever switch brands, after all, they have THE best so why look elsewhere?

Why doesn't 2nd, 3rd and 4th all switch to what #1 is shooting so they can be #1 too?

If I buy every product hawked by a pro shooter, does that mean that I will be as good of a shooter as they are?

I know a PRO 3d shooter (who will remain nameless) who recently changed bow companies.....his reason? He needed a change.....he had shot brand X for the last 7 years and hadn't tried anything else out there....money and contract were the same....if not even a little bit of a downgrade...

You guys keep believing it is all about money. I shoot with these guys, compete with them......they are my friends...you all think you have it figured out and that anyone who shoots a bow for a company gets a paycheck....it doesn't work that way....believe what you want....but you are definitely wrong...

This is just an example that I know first hand. Let's say "Joe" is shooting brand X bow. He likes it and is doing good with it. A rep from bow y comes to him and says "I will pay you $6000 a year and give you a limit of 4 bows a year for free along with contingency money if you will shoot for us". Would you take it or pass?

I am by no means a pro shooter. I shoot a 6 year old hunting bow, a 4 year old hunting bow and a 4 year old chrome ally. I do ok though, win some and loose some. No, I wouldn't take it unless I liked the bow company.

I know a PRO 3d shooter (who will remain nameless) who recently changed bow companies.....his reason? He needed a change.....he had shot brand X for the last 7 years and hadn't tried anything else out there....money and contract were the same....if not even a little bit of a downgrade...

You guys keep believing it is all about money. I shoot with these guys, compete with them......they are my friends...you all think you have it figured out and that anyone who shoots a bow for a company gets a paycheck....it doesn't work that way....believe what you want....but you are definitely wrong...

I didn't say they were all doing it for the money. But you have to admit that there are definitely some perks to being sponsored. If someone was paying for all my equipment and paying me to practice everyday you can bet that I would be. Now I have to find time because it's something I love to do.

Honestly, I could careless how it all works. I have absolutely no desire to be a "Pro" shooter. I think it would take the fun out of it. Just don't tell me that they all believe 100% that the equipment they are using is the best on the market and that I should buy it just because the "Pro's" say so.

Who's to be believed....guy A who shoots brand X and says it's the best, or guy B who shoots brand Y and says the same thing. Say both have a good variety of wins, then what?

I look at it like this, a top level shooter, in any venue, has any and all resources at his or her fingertips. If they wanna shoot something, whether it be an arrow, release, sight, stab system, peep sight, rest, or anything else associated with archery, im sure it's a simple email or phone call away. I think the arguing over who is right or wrong and who knows the most is ridiculous, it's a pissing match and it's completely pointless.

All im saying is, if a professional truly cares about being the best, and can shoot whatever they want, why wouldnt they shoot the best for them, and win....?

I have enjoyed this thread almost as much as the "Mr Burns, Shot my last arrow thread". A great debate on stabilizers, might try a B-stinger.

DB cool down.

Dietmar told me B-Stingers were hard on his body and didn't like them. Saw him shoot those Fivics like a demon and then a month later won vegas. He's no BStinger fan and he's an alright guy and will give you what he feels is the truth on any topic you want to run by him. He's worked hard to acquire the confidence to evaluate what works for him. Like I imagine most other winning pro's. Now he shoots Doinkers and shooting great.

I think that Pro's can make anything work. Its not the equipment that is getting them there but the will to put the training in to get there.
Isn't D. Christenberry not winning like the Doinker days a couple years back? Is it BStingers fault? Likely not.

B-Stingers are nice, but really, they still have to be set-up to get the bow to do what you want it to do. If it means B-Stingers need 8 ounces up front vs. 10 ounces on a Doinker, so be it. It is what it is.
Pro's don't settle for a sight picture that is less than optimal for the game they are shooting.
No matter what stab., bow, cam etc. etc.
B Stinger kool aid is the latest greatest flavour. Its wet and will quench your thirst like Doinker kool-aid and Shibuya kool-aid......

Lets assume that the pros know everything there is to know about archery. Now some are shooting different equipment from the guys that are winning. What is the deal? The pros even shoot bows from different manufactures. They don't all shoot the same strings.

If I was a manufacturer I would expect my staff to promote my product and to never say anything negative about a competitors product. I would also expect them to not point out any features of my competitors product which might be better than my product. I would not expect them to lie about anything but they don't have to tell the whole truth either.

When it comes to archery equipment, I feel like the equipment needs to match the archer. Since the archers are built different from each other it just seems reasonable that they might shoot better if they all didn't use the exact same equipment.

Oh I haven't shot a 300 60x yet so I could be wrong.

Your qoute

DB, easy there big fella. I think being back on AT is taking its toll on you (yeah I saw that B Stinger thread there).

I have been the same guy for years on archery forums. I still support the pros and think we all should learn from them. Nothing changed about me.
Im quite a bit older but the feeling for the pros will never change. I just hate the fact most pros wont post on archery forums because they have nothing to gain and alot of crap to deal with if they do post so why post.
DB

have to agree with that post 100%. i talk to jeff hopkins sometimes when he comes into my local archery shop (crazy horse archery) here in campbellsville ky and all i can say is he is a really nice guy.

have to agree with that post 100%. i talk to jeff hopkins sometimes when he comes into my local archery shop (crazy horse archery) here in campbellsville ky and all i can say is he is a really nice guy.

And I talk to his daughter all the time at my school. Theyre both really nice.