I recently went to my archery shop to inquire about adding on a string loop to my bow because of all the good things I have heard about them. I shoot a Mathews Outback at 29 in. and they told me the loop would add about 1/2 inch on to my existing draw length. They said I would need to purchase a new cam which would cost 60 bucks!!! to compinsate for the draw length. Is this true ???? Is it worth it ???? are string loops overrated??? I would really like to put one on this year. any suggestions would be great. thanks

I recently went to my archery shop to inquire about adding on a string loop to my bow because of all the good things I have heard about them. I shoot a Mathews Outback at 29 in. and they told me the loop would add about 1/2 inch on to my existing draw length. They said I would need to purchase a new cam which would cost 60 bucks!!! to compinsate for the draw length. Is this true ???? Is it worth it ???? are string loops overrated??? I would really like to put one on this year. any suggestions would be great. thanks

no its 100% false! D-Loops DO NOT affect your draw length. Your arrow will still knock to the same point and your draw will still be to the same spot(your knock should line up directly below your eye). Your anchor may change slightly but it will not change your drawlength

i would try a new shop! alot of people like the loop i personally dont. i dont think theres anything wrong with them, just not my cup of tea. :noidea:

no its 100% false! D-Loops DO NOT affect your draw length. Your arrow will still knock to the same point and your draw will still be to the same spot(your knock should line up directly below your eye). Your anchor may change slightly but it will not change your drawlength

Yep.................it will not change your DL just your anchor point.:peace:

now i would have to disagree,it will change your draw slightly but you shoulnd'nt have to buy a new cam you can change your draw on your cam if it is not at the lowest setting then you'll need to shortin your release a little. but you may not have to do anything try a loop and and see how it feel's.
the purpose for the loop is it give you a straighter nock travel instead of your nocking point pintching the arrow nock.and anything you add or take away from your bow makes a difference.

Don't mean to highjack this, but if you change your anchor point why does that not change your draw length? Shouldn't you anchor at the corner of your mouth? How do you figure draw length without a standard anchor point? I'm new and just learning, not doubting anybody.

Don't mean to highjack this, but if you change your anchor point why does that not change your draw length? Shouldn't you anchor at the corner of your mouth? How do you figure draw length without a standard anchor point? I'm new and just learning, not doubting anybody.
The nock is still gonna be in the same spot, but the anchor point of your hand will change slightly...

If you go from fingers to a release, does that change your draw length? Or is that one of those things that people talk about wrong? I thought that draw length would basically bee measured from the heal of your shooting hand to wherever it took to get the kisser to your anchor point. It was never explained to me, but that is what I came up with by watching and listening. I don't know if this post should be moved. I guess that I did end up side-tracking it. Sorry.

I hope this helps...

now i would have to disagree,it will change your draw slightly but you shoulnd'nt have to buy a new cam you can change your draw on your cam if it is not at the lowest setting then you'll need to shortin your release a little. but you may not have to do anything try a loop and and see how it feel's.
the purpose for the loop is it give you a straighter nock travel instead of your nocking point pintching the arrow nock.and anything you add or take away from your bow makes a difference.

it will not change your draw your arrow will still have to be the same lgn.
only your ancore point will change.:peace:

I don't want to,but I am going to make this worse. What determins your draw length? Is it how far you want to pull the bow? If I take a 28 in draw with a loop or a 29 with out, I will still be pulling my arm to the same point. So if I want to anchor at my ear I could shoot a 31 draw? I have to let you know that I am a thinker and an analyst. I just want to know how this work. If I am too far gone, PM me, I will give you my number or call you and you can explain it without typing. :noidea:

I don't want to,but I am going to make this worse. What determins your draw length? Is it how far you want to pull the bow? If I take a 28 in draw with a loop or a 29 with out, I will still be pulling my arm to the same point. So if I want to anchor at my ear I could shoot a 31 draw? I have to let you know that I am a thinker and an analyst. I just want to know how this work. If I am too far gone, PM me, I will give you my number or call you and you can explain it without typing. :noidea:
But a phone call won't increase our post count...:laugh: :laugh: :tape:

I don't want to,but I am going to make this worse. What determins your draw length? Is it how far you want to pull the bow? If I take a 28 in draw with a loop or a 29 with out, I will still be pulling my arm to the same point. So if I want to anchor at my ear I could shoot a 31 draw? I have to let you know that I am a thinker and an analyst. I just want to know how this work. If I am too far gone, PM me, I will give you my number or call you and you can explain it without typing. :noidea:
A loop is generally 1/2"...I don't recomend anchoring at your ear...:biggrin1:
The idea of the loop is not to increase the bows DL thats what the cams are for...I have seen 1" loops, but the longer the loop the more effect it would have on the sting...Am I right???(I really am asking..)

As far as your DL you want the nock around the corner of your mouth and the string against your nose...My friends son tried to shoot a bow that's 2-3" too long anchored at his ear...dragged the nock across his cheek...OUCH!!

Proper draw length is determine by where you draw to, not where your arm wants to go :)

For correct draw length the nock of the arrow should line up under your eye on a side picture. Where D-Loops come in is if you want to shoot a longer or shorter release or have a more comfortable point to hold at w/ whichever release you chose to use.

Basically D-Loops began because of damage to strings from releases. Now a lot of people use them as crutches to correct DL issues but I've said it before and I'll say it again... D-Loops do not affect correct DL

here check this image out... it may help a bit (I think its Randy Ulmer, i just yoinked it off AT)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f16/nutsandbolts2006/Form/RandyUlmerarrowshaftundercornerofmo.jpg

Post up some pics of you at full draw from the side and back (try shooting at a target that is chest high so your looking straight at it) and we'll give some advice (and harass you)

here check this image out... it may help a bit (I think its Randy Ulmer, i just yoinked it off AT)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f16/nutsandbolts2006/Form/RandyUlmerarrowshaftundercornerofmo.jpg

Post up some pics of you at full draw from the side and back (try shooting at a target that is chest high so your looking straight at it) and we'll give some advice (and harass you)


I like to use a kiss button at my nose to make it my anchor point also using the nose keeps in the center of the body.
By the way Dread that is RU. Back in his day he was one of the best. early thru late 90's. He is also a MD Doctor. HS

I like to use a kiss button at my nose to make it my anchor point also using the nose keeps in the center of the body.
By the way Dread that is RU. Back in his day he was one of the best. early thru late 90's. He is also a MD Doctor. HS

yup I draw to my nose and shoot bent armed... I think I'd be a 31 1/2 draw if I shot straight arm haaha

yup I draw to my nose and shoot bent armed... I think I'd be a 31 1/2 draw if I shot straight arm haaha

Boys you sure get a launch on that thing.

By the way i just got a Xt a hr ago at 29.5 and the draw is perfect with out a loop . Do I want to twist the string up and put a loop on it for I want to do a loop. Thanks HS

Boys you sure get a launch on that thing.

By the way i just got a Xt a hr ago at 29.5 and the draw is perfect with out a loop . Do I want to twist the string up and put a loop on it for I want to do a loop. Thanks HS

then shoot off the sting :) There is nothing that says you NEED to shoot a loop. I find it much more convient personally but its 100% personal preference

Boys you sure get a launch on that thing.

By the way i just got a Xt a hr ago at 29.5 and the draw is perfect with out a loop . Do I want to twist the string up and put a loop on it for I want to do a loop. Thanks HS

get your self a 29 inch cam and shoot w/a loop.....do it the right way, so you will be happy w/your purchace.....

Boys you sure get a launch on that thing.

By the way i just got a Xt a hr ago at 29.5 and the draw is perfect with out a loop . Do I want to twist the string up and put a loop on it for I want to do a loop. Thanks HS

YEEHAAAA congrats on the new bow HS. I would suggest you put a loop on it.:peace:

YEEHAAAA congrats on the new bow HS. I would suggest you put a loop on it.:peace:

Boys I got tha XT to hunt with for it's size. I keep getting into my hand climber. HS

Boys I got tha XT to hunt with for it's size. I keep getting into my hand climber. HS

shoot some targets w/it.....short bows aint just for huntin anymore.....you may be supprised at what you discover:cool:

Boys I got tha XT to hunt with for it's size. I keep getting into my hand climber. HS

If tour only going to hunt with it I wouldn;t put a loop on it it isn't like your going to shoot 2000 arrows a year :noidea:

Whatever you wanna believe you can but think of it this way if you add to the length of what your pulling back wouldn't that stand to reason your adding to your draw length (duh):doh:

Whatever you wanna believe you can but think of it this way if you add to the length of what your pulling back wouldn't that stand to reason your adding to your draw length (duh):doh:

welcome and great first post....it will get lots of guys and gals on your side.....

Whatever you wanna believe you can but think of it this way if you add to the length of what your pulling back wouldn't that stand to reason your adding to your draw length (duh):doh:

So would switching to a different release also cause your draw length to change? :doh:

if you adjust your draw length by adding or removing from the dloop your making a mistake

welcome and great first post....it will get lots of guys and gals on your side.....

HAHAHAHAHAHA...........yep.

why dont you mesure then talk down on me so you know what your talkin about:noidea:

It wont change your length of arrows but it will change how far your pulling back by about a half inch

Dredly, I can't say that it would change your "draw length", but it would change your effective draw length. I was triggering my release with the tip of my finger and shortened my release to trigger with my second nuckle. I can tell that I am drawing deeper. Did I change my draw length? I definately pull the bow back further more comfortably. I don't know if my "draw length" changed, but I do pull the extra length without getting out of my form.

It wont change your length of arrows but it will change how far your pulling back by about a half inch

So what you are claiming is that your draw length increases but your arrows don't get longer?

with that statement I think we can safely say that we are basically on the same side of the fence.

Your drawlength as far as the setting on the bow should not change due to a string loop. This is the draw length that I am reffering to. The nock should end at the same point if you are using a 1/2 inch loop or a 2 inch loop or shooting off the string

what WILL change is the setup of the release you are using and your rear anchor point the bow should stop at the same point every time and the draw length setting on the bow should never be changed based on a loop.

so let me see.....before i buy or order a bow I decide wether or not I want to shoot a loop......normally if I setup w/a loop I order 27".....but if I am going to shoot off the string I order it in 27.5".......been doing that way.....oh I dont know for like the last 15 years.......

i did however order the prestige in 27.5 and will be shooting it w/a loop....

so what should I do?????

you know what I give up .....I am never gonna shoot again.....:Cry:

so let me see.....before i buy or order a bow I decide wether or not I want to shoot a loop......normally if I setup w/a loop I order 27".....but if I am going to shoot off the string I order it in 27.5".......been doing that way.....oh I dont know for like the last 15 years.......

i did however order the prestige in 27.5 and will be shooting it w/a loop....

so what should I do?????

you know what I give up .....I am never gonna shoot again.....:Cry:

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE:hand:

so let me see.....before i buy or order a bow I decide wether or not I want to shoot a loop......normally if I setup w/a loop I order 27".....but if I am going to shoot off the string I order it in 27.5".......been doing that way.....oh I dont know for like the last 15 years.......

i did however order the prestige in 27.5 and will be shooting it w/a loop....

so what should I do?????

you know what I give up .....I am never gonna shoot again.....:Cry:

I would cancel the order, reorder it in LH and send it to me to test! :)

you know what I give up .....I am never gonna shoot again.....:Cry:
So that means I win TiYogi by forfit...:peace:

I would cancel the order, reorder it in LH and send it to me to test! :)

Yep.........I knew it he wants another Mathews.:laugh:

So that means I win TiYogi by forfit...:peace:

I dont forfit and just to make it interesting.......see new thread in general section......

I recently went to my archery shop to inquire about adding on a string loop to my bow because of all the good things I have heard about them. I shoot a Mathews Outback at 29 in. and they told me the loop would add about 1/2 inch on to my existing draw length. They said I would need to purchase a new cam which would cost 60 bucks!!! to compinsate for the draw length. Is this true ???? Is it worth it ???? are string loops overrated??? I would really like to put one on this year. any suggestions would be great. thanks

I have had good & bad experences with d-loop's,Great for target & 3-d,
terrible for hunting trying to get the triger on when a deer is on the way.
need to be changed every year or less,depending on how much you shoot.
me,ive been shooting d-loop on my target bow's for 23 year's,but on my hunting bow's,a 2-piece metal,d-loop,which i haven't replaced in 2 year's,
but draw length change,no,anker-point,yes,1/2-1 inch.

I have had good & bad experences with d-loop's,Great for target & 3-d,
terrible for hunting trying to get the triger on when a deer is on the way.
need to be changed every year or less,depending on how much you shoot.
me,ive been shooting d-loop on my target bow's for 23 year's,but on my hunting bow's,a 2-piece metal,d-loop,which i haven't replaced in 2 year's,
but draw length change,no,anker-point,yes,1/2-1 inch.

Hey there kbo :welcome: to the forum. Glad to have you with us. Take off your jacket and make yourself at home(so to speak). Pretty friendly bunch we have around here.

I have had good & bad experences with d-loop's,Great for target & 3-d,
terrible for hunting trying to get the triger on when a deer is on the way.
need to be changed every year or less,depending on how much you shoot.
me,ive been shooting d-loop on my target bow's for 23 year's,but on my hunting bow's,a 2-piece metal,d-loop,which i haven't replaced in 2 year's,
but draw length change,no,anker-point,yes,1/2-1 inch.

its all personal preference. I can't stand the metal nocks myself, lots of issues with them spinning and not holding correctly. plus metal on metal makes noise while hunting

As for them wearing out I guess its your material? I've put literally thousands of shots on my loops, I replace the loop when I replace the string.

I shoot with a Caliper release and find it significantly easier to use a loop for hunting as I attach my release and don't worry about it.

The coolest things about string loops are just like everything else. they are 100% personal preference. I personally love them and won't shoot a bow without one, other people I know can't stand them

Hey there kbo :welcome: to the forum. Glad to have you with us. Take off your jacket and make yourself at home(so to speak). Pretty friendly bunch we have around here.

Hi! there i may have found a group of friend's
that talk about the same topic's i can relate to,
thank's
ken. :wave:

its all personal preference. I can't stand the metal nocks myself, lots of issues with them spinning and not holding correctly. plus metal on metal makes noise while hunting

As for them wearing out I guess its your material? I've put literally thousands of shots on my loops, I replace the loop when I replace the string.

I shoot with a Caliper release and find it significantly easier to use a loop for hunting as I attach my release and don't worry about it.

The coolest things about string loops are just like everything else. they are 100% personal preference. I personally love them and won't shoot a bow without one, other people I know can't stand them

Your absolutely correct, it is a personal preference,my son 20,use's string-loop's with no hang-up's,& wouldnt change for the world,
but ive had 2 bad problem's with them in hunting situation's which caused
me to change to something faster in the wood's.
:biggrin1:

It does not change your draw length at all. just your anchor point. Depending on your release you might just have to shorten your release.