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kbohunt
04-20-2007, 10:45 PM
I know you hunter's have a lot of tricks in your set up on deer,climbing stand, scent control, calling tech's, camo patterns that work better?
You tell yours and ill tell mine!!!:laugh:

Not what you read in mags what u tried and works?
Dont tell all, just tell one,and well all be alittle smarter this comming season!:biggrin1:
After a few post ill tell mine,
hint: no string Iv been doing it for years.:laugh:

STRO
04-21-2007, 06:36 AM
Primos --- The Estrous Can.

Has worked many times. Brought deer from 100 yards to 5 yards in seconds.

kbohunt
04-21-2007, 09:08 AM
Primos --- The Estrous Can.

Has worked many times. Brought deer from 100 yards to 5 yards in seconds.

Come on bowhunters tell your secret's
Im gonna tell mine!
It's gonna save you time & money!
It's been right in front of your nose all these year's and i bet you havent noticed it!
HINT: it combines 3-d & huntin!:laugh:

Dredly
04-21-2007, 10:00 AM
The best product in the world is the Scent-Eliminator spray w/ dirt scent. The stuff. I have had deer walk within 10 - 20 yards from downwind and they haven't scented me.

The stuff is cheap, works great and is ALWAYS in my pack!

Holy Smokes
04-21-2007, 10:03 PM
The best product in the world is the Scent-Eliminator spray w/ dirt scent. The stuff. I have had deer walk within 10 - 20 yards from downwind and they haven't scented me.

The stuff is cheap, works great and is ALWAYS in my pack!

Hey Big D, Sure did miss ya .

Does this include that Button Buck ya tagged this year>:biggrin1: Smokes

Holy Smokes
04-21-2007, 10:05 PM
I know you hunter's have a lot of tricks in your set up on deer,climbing stand, scent control, calling tech's, camo patterns that work better?
You tell yours and ill tell mine!!!:laugh:

Not what you read in mags what u tried and works?
Dont tell all, just tell one,and well all be alittle smarter this comming season!:biggrin1:
After a few post ill tell mine,
hint: no string Iv been doing it for years.:laugh:

What is a string IV KBH?

I wil post some tips latter .

i am bushed and it is past my bed time.. Smokes

Dredly
04-21-2007, 11:40 PM
Hey Big D, Sure did miss ya .

Does this include that Button Buck ya tagged this year>:biggrin1: Smokes

the deer I nailed this year actually walked up under the stand and ate 2 or 3 of the branches I cut out of the tree on the way up. then walked a few yards away before I could get a shot on him :)

kbohunt
04-22-2007, 07:55 AM
I know you hunter's have a lot of tricks in your set up on deer,climbing stand, scent control, calling tech's, camo patterns that work better?
You tell yours and ill tell mine!!!:laugh:

Not what you read in mags what u tried and works?
Dont tell all, just tell one,and well all be alittle smarter this comming season!:biggrin1:
After a few post ill tell mine,
hint: no string Iv been doing it for years.:laugh:

OK, it seem's like a lot of you are hideing alot of hidden secret's,so ill show you one of mine.
I was shooting 3-d back in 1980 and went hunting in october and realized that i was wasting alot of time moveing treestands tying string to them pulling bow & tackle up,harnessing up to get ready, so i cut one thing that took alot of time out of the set-up to make it faster!!!! why use a string?
This is what i use & still use today! if u dont use it try it,it will save you time.:biggrin1:

bullspotter
04-22-2007, 03:34 PM
I use a string to pull my pack and bow up, All my stands are up year around so i dont deal with that,but i sure would hate to have my bow flopping around on my back, and getting snaged up on branches and stuff, no way to turn around to get it un cought, theirs alot of cover i need to get though going up to several of my stands, would be a great idea if it was clean getting into my stand, but i would also hate to fall on my bow going up a tree if something were to go wrong....

BUNNYMAN
04-22-2007, 04:09 PM
I have forgoten my pull up rope before and used the rope i tie around the tree that my saftey harness attached too.....works but would not liketo have to do it all the time.....

Dredly
04-22-2007, 09:09 PM
When climbing I use the piece of nylon strap that is supposed to be used to wrap the 2 pieces together as a pull up strap. works wonders and 1 less thing I have to carry

kbohunt
04-22-2007, 09:47 PM
:biggrin1: If you try it you wont go back to rope or string.
In some situations,you cant us it like heavy brush,but i havent ran into any.
you dont put it were you see in the photo that was just an illistration on a trypod i practice from.
you put it in the very center of your back.
& bowman remember the big buck i talked about were i hugged the tree,the bow was on the ground 3 feet under me.
that was the one time i forgot it, went to my sons stand that had a string.
In the past 10 years i have been comeing down a tree in the rut, 2 times a doe ran past, turned around got set and killed the buck, im tell a secret that really works try it. 6 bowhunters are in my huntclub seen me walk up steps on hanger/lockons in 1 minute turn around & your set, they all usem now.
I use a wide pack belt,with 5 packs on it with,calls trigger,waterbottle etc.
when you put the hook between them it is like a cushion the bow dosnt flop around.:biggrin1:

QDAWG44
04-23-2007, 10:47 AM
here is my tip- Spooking alot of deer goin too and from your stand during the twilight hour? I beleive when you spook deer in the dark that sometimes they never actually get a clear visual of whats making the unnatural racket in there living room. Deer can distinguish the sounds of danger coming through the woods (a hunter) by the sounds of human footsteps. I now imitate the sounds of a deer skipping through the leaves and have noticed a dramatic difference on the amount of deer that spook. They are always looking and wondering, and you know how curioius they can be. Going to the stand, I have thrown in a grunt or two and have actually attracted rutting bucks to my setup. But get ready fast !!!!!! Give this a try, you would be surprised on how deer ease up when they hear natural sounds of wildlife (which usually flurishes during these lowlight hours anyway). Try to use your tip toes and take a step, stop, take a couple more, and so on. You may look like you escaped a mental institution, but we all know how important it is to keep deer in your hunting area unaware of human disturbance.

kbohunt
04-23-2007, 08:00 PM
here is my tip- Spooking alot of deer goin too and from your stand during the twilight hour? I beleive when you spook deer in the dark that sometimes they never actually get a clear visual of whats making the unnatural racket in there living room. Deer can distinguish the sounds of danger coming through the woods (a hunter) by the sounds of human footsteps. I now imitate the sounds of a deer skipping through the leaves and have noticed a dramatic difference on the amount of deer that spook. They are always looking and wondering, and you know how curioius they can be. Going to the stand, I have thrown in a grunt or two and have actually attracted rutting bucks to my setup. But get ready fast !!!!!! Give this a try, you would be surprised on how deer ease up when they hear natural sounds of wildlife (which usually flurishes during these lowlight hours anyway). Try to use your tip toes and take a step, stop, take a couple more, and so on. You may look like you escaped a mental institution, but we all know how important it is to keep deer in your hunting area unaware of human disturbance.
I read this kind of thing one time in a mag. where a bowhunter instead of walking to his stand in the dark would run to his stand flushing deer on the way, said it didnt givem time to circle you & smell you & it worked. thank's good trick!:biggrin1:

Holy Smokes
04-23-2007, 09:40 PM
I am always very careful with the shuttin of my truck door. All you will hear is when tha latch as it clicks . I always hold tha door handle button in till i get it secure.
Never hutrs ta grease all those door hinges on tha topper either.

I use a mineral oil on all my gear including bow axles. No smell.

kbohunt
04-24-2007, 08:21 PM
I am always very careful with the shuttin of my truck door. All you will hear is when tha latch as it clicks . I always hold tha door handle button in till i get it secure.
Never hutrs ta grease all those door hinges on tha topper either.

I use a mineral oil on all my gear including bow axles. No smell.

I think everybody try's to be as quiet as possible, but the mineral oil on your bow i never thought of that!!!!!
SMOKES NO/SCENT OIL $5.99 an ounce.:laugh:

Holy Smokes
04-25-2007, 01:36 AM
I think everybody try's to be as quiet as possible, but the mineral oil on your bow i never thought of that!!!!!
SMOKES NO/SCENT OIL $5.99 an ounce.:laugh:



How many do ya want? :biggrin1: :biggrin1:

kbohunt
04-25-2007, 05:40 PM
How many do ya want? :biggrin1: :biggrin1:

50 Im gonna sell 25 to bowman.:laugh:
Na, but im really gonna try it!
what u think about olive oil ?:laugh:

Holy Smokes
04-25-2007, 09:44 PM
50 Im gonna sell 25 to bowman.:laugh:
Na, but im really gonna try it!
what u think about olive oil ?:laugh:

It would make a good pasta dish. And a good cover scent in a olive tree stand:laugh: :laugh: site

Holy Smokes
04-25-2007, 09:50 PM
Heres one for tha fellars that use a wrist strap.


take a piece of velcero and sew it ta your strap now take a little longer piece that will adhere ta tha other one and sew it on one end only.
You are ready to slip your release on tha one piece on that strap and secure it down with tha(2nd) other on.
Great for keepin' it out of tha way while climbin' and movin' around.

BUNNYMAN
04-26-2007, 05:27 AM
Heres one for tha fellars that use a wrist strap.


take a piece of velcero and sew it ta your strap now take a little longer piece that will adhere ta tha other one and sew it on one end only.
You are ready to slip your release on tha one piece on that strap and secure it down with tha(2nd) other on.
Great for keepin' it out of tha way while climbin' and movin' around.

velcro makes way too much noise for me...

BOWTECHER
04-26-2007, 07:59 PM
I use Ameristep Rapid Rail steps for my hang on stands. They get me into just about any tree I want. I wrap pipe insulation around the side rails and cover that with camo duct tape, and put anti-skid tape around the step. Then put rubber casters on the ends that contact the tree for a perfectly quiet entry into my stand.

kbohunt
04-26-2007, 08:39 PM
I use Ameristep Rapid Rail steps for my hang on stands. They get me into just about any tree I want. I wrap pipe insulation around the side rails and cover that with camo duct tape, and put anti-skid tape around the step. Then put rubber casters on the ends that contact the tree for a perfectly quiet entry into my stand.

Where can you get duct tape in camo?
Id like to try that on this new summit treestand i got clanks togeather to much. Im gonna try the pipe insulation on it,ive got that around here but i was just gonna use electrical tape but if i found some camo tape that would be great..:biggrin1:

Holy Smokes
04-26-2007, 10:58 PM
velcro makes way too much noise for me... i am talkin bout tha little thin strips.
Do ya think I am gonna hold that latch on tha truck door as I close it then make a big noise when i am in tha deers bedroom?

BOWTECHER
04-27-2007, 06:08 AM
Where can you get duct tape in camo?
Id like to try that on this new summit treestand i got clanks togeather to much. Im gonna try the pipe insulation on it,ive got that around here but i was just gonna use electrical tape but if i found some camo tape that would be great..:biggrin1:


I picked it up at Walmart.

QDAWG44
04-27-2007, 10:14 AM
you can actually buy treestand silencer tap made of like a neoprene. Its at cabelas. I went to my local fabrics store and purchased a bunch of peel and stick felty stands. Doesnt last long but it costs next to nothing.

davisxtremmarine
04-27-2007, 12:47 PM
Here is what I did and it works you can got to lowes and pick up a can of rubber dip and put it on the area that tend to touch or the whole thing but that would make it a little heavy. They make a spray on but I have tride both and the dip kind works the best you can brush it on the parts of the stand and it lasts for years. It leaves no smell after it dries

MichiganHunter
04-27-2007, 01:44 PM
here is my tip- Spooking alot of deer goin too and from your stand during the twilight hour? I beleive when you spook deer in the dark that sometimes they never actually get a clear visual of whats making the unnatural racket in there living room. Deer can distinguish the sounds of danger coming through the woods (a hunter) by the sounds of human footsteps. I now imitate the sounds of a deer skipping through the leaves and have noticed a dramatic difference on the amount of deer that spook. They are always looking and wondering, and you know how curioius they can be. Going to the stand, I have thrown in a grunt or two and have actually attracted rutting bucks to my setup. But get ready fast !!!!!! Give this a try, you would be surprised on how deer ease up when they hear natural sounds of wildlife (which usually flurishes during these lowlight hours anyway). Try to use your tip toes and take a step, stop, take a couple more, and so on. You may look like you escaped a mental institution, but we all know how important it is to keep deer in your hunting area unaware of human disturbance.

during daylight hours or low light walking in leaves you can also walk in a way that sounds like a squirrel hoppin around..... works good.... looks stupid!

kbohunt
04-27-2007, 08:53 PM
I picked it up at Walmart.

walmart! thanks.:biggrin1:

kbohunt
04-27-2007, 08:56 PM
Here is what I did and it works you can got to lowes and pick up a can of rubber dip and put it on the area that tend to touch or the whole thing but that would make it a little heavy. They make a spray on but I have tride both and the dip kind works the best you can brush it on the parts of the stand and it lasts for years. It leaves no smell after it dries

But i wanted to try something i could take off.
Im gonna try the pipe insolation with the camo tape it should be light!:biggrin1:

BUNNYMAN
04-27-2007, 09:57 PM
during daylight hours or low light walking in leaves you can also walk in a way that sounds like a squirrel hoppin around..... works good.... looks stupid!

yeah and it would look real stupid w/the mighty T-rex (me) doing it....:tape: :biggrin1:

Pinwheel1969
04-27-2007, 09:59 PM
I have found a cheap scent killer for clothes. I found this out from a scent manufacturer. Put baking soda in your washer w/ your hunting clothes. and let air dry. Leaves clothes scent free. After they explained further on this. I didnt realize that one of the largest scent control manufacturers use it just about soley in one of there scent stoppers. Makes sense sice we have been using it to kill scent in our refrigerators and freezers for years. just a thought for ya's. I've been using this idea for a few years now. With good success. along with proper body scent control.

kbohunt
04-27-2007, 10:04 PM
I have found a cheap scent killer for clothes. I found this out from a scent manufacturer. Put baking soda in your washer w/ your hunting clothes. and let air dry. Leaves clothes scent free. After they explained further on this. I didnt realize that one of the largest scent control manufacturers use it just about soley in one of there scent stoppers. Makes sense sice we have been using it to kill scent in our refrigerators and freezers for years. just a thought for ya's. I've been using this idea for a few years now. With good success. along with proper body scent control.

Ive been takin bath's in bakin soda every since i heard chuck adams was doin it, about 15years.
this is a real good one guys if you dont already do it!
Thanks,pinwheel:biggrin1:

Holy Smokes
04-28-2007, 07:07 AM
Ive been takin bath's in bakin soda every since i heard chuck adams was doin it, about 15years.
this is a real good one guys if you dont already do it!
Thanks,pinwheel:biggrin1:


Used tha stuff reliousgly for 2 years on tha second year my vision started ta blur and [I] thought that I was goin' blind.
Went to tha Doc and he said I was allerigic ta something.

Turned out to be tha Baking soda.

I have that zinc does a good job external and internally.
i take zinc tabs during hunting season. If ya stink take zinc.

also Desitin, baby diper rash ointment. contains zinc and I use it as a deorant all over my body. I'm talkin' no under arm oder here, so all over...... Tha best buy

One application last for approx a week.

You can also buy a commerically prepared one called Pit Stop and Lavlin. the latter was developed by the Isreali army for tha troops. by far cheaper than pit stop. gets em in close and
I also use a spray by astko co. "No Oder". Very economical ya have ta mix it but is a great savings, They have other great products as well. Soaps for you and cloths, sprays ta keep uv out of cloths and gear. Last a loooong time. Started seein' more and bigger deers at closer ranges when started usin' this stuff. Smokes

kbohunt
04-28-2007, 07:15 PM
Used tha stuff reliousgly for 2 years on tha second year my vision started ta blur and [I] thought that I was goin' blind.
Went to tha Doc and he said I was allerigic ta something.

Turned out to be tha Baking soda.

I have that zinc does a good job external and internally.
i take zinc tabs during hunting season. If ya stink take zinc.

also Desitin, baby diper rash ointment. contains zinc and I use it as a deorant all over my body. I'm talkin' no under arm oder here, so all over...... Tha best buy

One application last for approx a week.

You can also buy a commerically prepared one called Pit Stop and Lavlin. the latter was developed by the Isreali army for tha troops. by far cheaper than pit stop. gets em in close and
I also use a spray by astko co. "No Oder". Very economical ya have ta mix it but is a great savings, They have other great products as well. Soaps for you and cloths, sprays ta keep uv out of cloths and gear. Last a loooong time. Started seein' more and bigger deers at closer ranges when started usin' this stuff. Smokes

I have heard of pill's u can take to get rid of your sent, ive also heard of gum you can chew with no-scent.

O smokes i remember when i first came on this sight u were talkin about when u had a problem and used the creek! Great Trick i would have never thought of that.
I remember one time i ran from a creek back to the truck & didnt make it:laugh: Why didnt i just take a dump in the creek it was nee deep & 20yds from me? ill do it now! thank's:biggrin1:

kbohunt
05-04-2007, 11:20 PM
This a pic of my son very proud of his doe.
I was about 50yds from him and watched him take this deer.
5 does came in to him he wasnt gonna shoot a doe but i told him he needed the practice, he hadnt shoot but about 4 or 5 with a bow
WE went back & set up & i winned liked a baby deer for about 15minites and 3 does came runnin to me,5yds they turned around and walked back bye him and he let one of them have it.
I do this trick alot in my back yd.sitten on the porch people think im callin them like pets.
Really they think this is a baby deer in distress they are lookin for them.
If ya just want to get meat on the table this will work!!!:biggrin1:

Holy Smokes
05-04-2007, 11:28 PM
This a pic of my son very proud of his doe.
I was about 50yds from him and watched him take this deer.
5 does came in to him he wasnt gonna shoot a doe but i told him he needed the practice, he hadnt shoot but about 4 or 5 with a bow
WE went back & set up & i winned liked a baby deer for about 15minites and 3 does came runnin to me,5yds they turned around and walked back bye him and he let one of them have it.
I do this trick alot in my back yd.sitten on the porch people think im callin them like pets.
Really they think this is a baby deer in distress they are lookin for them.
If ya just want to get meat on the table this will work!!!:biggrin1: That sure is a health lookin' doe. I'll bet she was real tasty.

Now that's how ya raise them babys up! KBH
Keeps em close to ya and out in tha woods and not in trouble.
Plus a good huntin' buddy

Do ya make that noise with a call or naturally. Smokes

Holy Smokes
05-04-2007, 11:32 PM
I have heard of pill's u can take to get rid of your sent, ive also heard of gum you can chew with no-scent.

O smokes i remember when i first came on this sight u were talkin about when u had a problem and used the creek! Great Trick i would have never thought of that.
I remember one time i ran from a creek back to the truck & didnt make it:laugh: Why didnt i just take a dump in the creek it was nee deep & 20yds from me? ill do it now! thank's:biggrin1:

Thanks I was a figgerin' that ta be back in '77'

kbohunt
05-04-2007, 11:41 PM
That sure is a health lookin' doe. I'll bet she was real tasty.

Now that's how ya raise them babys up! KBH
Keeps em close to ya and out in tha woods and not in trouble.
Plus a good huntin' buddy

Do ya make that noise with a call or naturally. Smokes

All you do is wine real loud like a baby lamb almost cryin like.
no call do it with your mouth.
The best way to test it is in mid july when the fawns are starting to wander away from there mom's go out in the woods & wine like a baby real loud they will come runnin.
I found this out with a dying rabbit call calling bobcats in october,does came runnin at me.
When im tired of huntin bucks and need meat in the freezer i us this trick.:biggrin1:

Holy Smokes
05-05-2007, 09:12 AM
All you do is wine real loud like a baby lamb almost cryin like.
no call do it with your mouth.
The best way to test it is in mid july when the fawns are starting to wander away from there mom's go out in the woods & wine like a baby real loud they will come runnin.
I found this out with a dying rabbit call calling bobcats in october,does came runnin at me.
When im tired of huntin bucks and need meat in the freezer i us this trick.:biggrin1:

Them deers don't stand a chance.
Sure am glad you fellars ain't chasin' me around tryin' to slip and arrow in my hide!:laugh:

kbohunt
05-05-2007, 11:33 PM
Them deers don't stand a chance.
Sure am glad you fellars ain't chasin' me around tryin' to slip and arrow in my hide!:laugh:

I always get close enough to size up the animal im gonna take.
Even if i can hit a deer target at 90yds:laugh:

clemenlp
05-07-2007, 12:20 PM
Once, fall turkey hunting (before I started bow hunting) walking through the meadow with my son we saw a doe standing just the otherside of a brushy area in the middle. Decided to see how close we could get by walking and using the daiphram call to mask our movements. Got well within bow range before that deer picked its head up. So, now I alway carry a mouth call if I am heading in for an afternoon hunt. Probably won't get close enough like that again, but less likely to spook anything in the general area.

phillip
05-07-2007, 03:12 PM
I live in southeast texas where the rut starts around opening of bow season.
This up coming year will be my first year to hunt with bow, but for a long time i have been using this time of year to take field photos of deer.
The best thing i have used is to rattel antlers, grunt call, and doe in heat.
I have had big old bucks sneak in on me, and Iv had young bucks all but jump on me when sitting in a ground blind.
When used together these three tactics are deadly.
This year I'll be waiting but not with camera.:laugh:

kbohunt
05-07-2007, 11:49 PM
I live in southeast texas where the rut starts around opening of bow season.
This up coming year will be my first year to hunt with bow, but for a long time i have been using this time of year to take field photos of deer.
The best thing i have used is to rattel antlers, grunt call, and doe in heat.
I have had big old bucks sneak in on me, and Iv had young bucks all but jump on me when sitting in a ground blind.
When used together these three tactics are deadly.
This year I'll be waiting but not with camera.:laugh:

:welcome: Thanks for the trick, Combination calling on deer,turkeys even preditors,coyote,bobcat,fox All work exellent!:biggrin1:

MoBowman
05-08-2007, 04:24 PM
I have been known to create a "new" deer trail that has worked several times. You have a known area where deer travel but no decent trees to set up in. Block the trail with brush or other debris and use a weedeater and create another trail past the tree you want. Believe it or not the deer will eventually start to use this new trail. Now your set and ready.

MoBowman
05-08-2007, 04:27 PM
Once, fall turkey hunting (before I started bow hunting) walking through the meadow with my son we saw a doe standing just the otherside of a brushy area in the middle. Decided to see how close we could get by walking and using the daiphram call to mask our movements. Got well within bow range before that deer picked its head up. So, now I alway carry a mouth call if I am heading in for an afternoon hunt. Probably won't get close enough like that again, but less likely to spook anything in the general area.

Works well :rockon: If the deer seem to be a bit skidish, a cluck or two from a turkey call will calm them down. The deer have learned to use turkeys as a safety net. Their eye sight is much better than any deer.

kbohunt
05-08-2007, 07:14 PM
I have been known to create a "new" deer trail that has worked several times. You have a known area where deer travel but no decent trees to set up in. Block the trail with brush or other debris and use a weedeater and create another trail past the tree you want. Believe it or not the deer will eventually start to use this new trail. Now your set and ready.

I read this, a long time ago i think in a book by fred bear where he would move downed trees in a deer path to make the deer take a detour were he was waiting & also to stop right were he wanted to make the shot.
I never tryed this one but if it works and im sure it does ill try it thank's.:biggrin1:

Soilarch
05-20-2007, 07:30 PM
I'll admit, I indirectly got this from a magazine article I read. I've tried it a time or two ands its much better than normal face paint...unless it's really hot and you know you'll be sweating. (which brings me to tip #2)

#1. Instead of using facepaint from the store (I don't like masks unless its REALLY cold) take some charcoal and grind it up. You may have to spritz it with some water to get enough moisture in it. Take your soot-powder and use it to break up you face and back of your hands. It's SOOOO much easier to get off than the oil based paints AND its CHARCOAL!!!! Does this ring a bell for any of you Scent-lock fanatics. CARBON....sucks up scent. An added bonus

#2. If you a sweat factory like I am look for Certain-Dri It comes in a box and its a roll-type anti-perspirant. No scent, and it's the ONLY thing I've found that puts a dent in my underarm and foot sweat. Apply a little to your hands too if you've got the ole sweaty palms like me. I went from pitstains in the library studying to COMPLETELY dry under arms after trying this product.
It goes without saying that sweat=smell so I use this stuff for hunting religiously now.

After saying all that I still don't buy into all the fancy scent control stuff...you still gotta hunt down wind.

These two tips and the homebrew scentblocker spray recipe are my "secrets" to keeping yo' stench to a minimum.


EDIT: one more, along the lines of some of the others: Ever been annoyed by them dang squirrels while your one stand? Well then, you know exactly what they sound like on the dried leaves. Try to imitate them while you walking to the stand if you arriving a little later or leaving a little sooner than you'd like.

kbohunt
05-20-2007, 07:43 PM
Exellent, trick
At my huntclub some of the guys in bowseason get soot from the chimney.
I use a mask, help's with the bug's, i was using face paint before.
Great input! & :welcome: that's what were all about archers helping archers to better our sport & to make it as easy as possible to harvest game!
WE have a hard enough time as it is!:laugh:

kbohunt
06-16-2007, 07:49 AM
I have noticed some archers talking about whitetails seeing color!
Impossible!
I have studied the anatomy & biology of whitetails in depth!
Deer are thought to be color blind, but its not proven by biologist!
What is proven is that deer cant focus on a color, because there eyes are to far on the side of there head!
Also there depth perception is very poor because of this!
If a deer is stareing you down,its almost 100% because of his nose!
Deer can smell at a rate of 300 to 400 times better than a human,like a drug sniffing dog thru a metal trunk!
If your breath is bad the morning when you hunt at 1 foot away.
If the wind is wrong a deer can smell it 100yds away!
It has also been proven with blaze orange,(i dont use it in bow season)that this color or any color, makes no difference!
They only thing to understand is a deers focus!
Dont use to large of a solid color of any kind,any breakup pattern will work,watch the pros in video using snow-camo,deer dont notice,but if they smell you, YOUR BUSTED!:biggrin1:

Dredly
06-16-2007, 07:52 AM
I have noticed some archers talking about whitetails seeing color!
Impossible!
I have studied the anatomy & biology of whitetails in depth!
Deer are thought to be color blind, but its not proven by biologist!
What is proven is that deer cant focus on a color, because there eyes are to far on the side of there head!
Also there depth perception is very poor because of this!
If a deer is stareing you down,its almost 100% because of his nose!
Deer can smell at a rate of 300 to 400 times better than a human,like a drug sniffing dog thru a metal trunk!
If your breath is bad the morning when you hunt at 1 foot away.
If the wind is wrong a deer can smell it 100yds away!
It has also been proven with blaze orange,(i dont use it in bow season)that this color or any color, makes no difference!
They only thing to understand is a deers focus!
Dont use to large of a solid color of any kind,any breakup pattern will work,watch the pros in video using snow-camo,deer dont notice,but if they smell you, YOUR BUSTED!:biggrin1:

The man is 100% accurate. Everything I've read (and I've read a lot) supports this exactly.

As for me... my scent control comes in a bottle. I live Scent Blocker spray w/ fresh dirt scent. I've had deer walk right under me, walk downwind of me and I've never been scented. and I can get about ohhhh 20 gallons of the stuff for the price of a suit of scent blocker.

goldflinger
06-27-2007, 12:07 PM
I wanted a portable blind last year but didn't want to spend 100 bucks. I took a coleman 2-3 man tent that we didn't use anymore andcut the bottom out and set that up. I positioned the door towards the trail and tied the door flaps open. 3-4 feet in fromt of that I put 2 fence posts in front of that with camo material streched across it. I used the shoot threw stuff, but never used it before and didn't trust it so I made a couple slits in it to shoot thru.I set it up in early august and left it alone until the last weekend in sept. Had a small buck look me over pretty goodbut never spooked and later that evening took a doe from my tent. worked for me.

kbohunt
07-03-2007, 11:47 PM
Heres a trick that will help you when you think a buck has you made!
Ive been in a tree stand and bumped the arrow on metal by accident!
The buck looked stright up at me, i had my bow in front of me and i turned it sideways very slow like wind blowing branches then stopped it sideways!
The buck stomped his foot,my heart was in my throat!
He kept stareing then, wagged his tail droped his head, & i shot him!

Now when ever a buck is comming in i put the bow in front of my face like branches then when im ready for the shot i slowly turn it around & pull back!
It works best on the ground to help break up your figure!:biggrin1:

kbohunt
09-02-2007, 09:29 PM
I wanted to bring this topic, Back to the top!
Maybe The new members can add to it or can pick up some tips from some seasoned archers in the field!:biggrin1:

Pinwheel1969
09-02-2007, 09:51 PM
I also found a new one. If you spot and stalk at midnight w/ a spot light. you wont spook them on the way in to your stand.:laugh: :laugh:

kbohunt
09-02-2007, 10:37 PM
I also found a new one. If you spot and stalk at midnight w/ a spot light. you wont spook them on the way in to your stand.:laugh: :laugh:

Why would you leave the evening before?:lol:
Just pack an overnight snack!

Holy Smokes
09-02-2007, 11:00 PM
Heres ya one fellars.

Say ya need ta move tha huntin' pressure out of your area
Just go some where that is close to tha road or trail from tha truck and make ya some big horned bushes near some fresh deer sign.:whistle: :D :pound:

Pinwheel1969
09-03-2007, 07:20 AM
Why would you leave the evening before?:lol:
Just pack an overnight snack!

my mommy wont me stay out that late..

BUNNYMAN
09-03-2007, 07:24 AM
my mommy wont me stay out that late..

hand in your man card at the front desk please.....

Dredly
09-03-2007, 08:05 AM
Alright here are some obvious ones that you don't think about till your there. All of these are personal experience ones :frusty: They are "loosely organized"

ALWAYS WEAR A SAFETY HARNESS



Preparation / planning

1. ALWAYS TAKE A SAW WITH YOU! - I can't tell you how many times I've been 2 feet from the spot I want to be in and can't get there because of a branch, or had to cut off another branch to open a shooting lane. Get a folding one and keep it handy

2. Learn how to efficiently pack your tree stand if you are a climber user. the directions that the manufacturers give suck and there are much better ways to do it normally

3. Use tacks to find your spot, even if you've been there a thousand times during the day you'll get lost in the AM. use reflective tacks, they work.

4. Always take a durable, reliable flashlight with you, you never know when you'll need it. Nothing sucks as bad as having a massive storm roll in 2 hours before you are ready to go in and it get black as night out.

5. Always secure your release!!! If you have a wrist release tuck it up under your shirt sleave, if you have a thandle or non-wrist release put it in a pocket that it can't call out of, no your shirt pocket isn't a good place to put it.

6. Always tighten your broad heads before going out in the field. if you haven't dropped a broadhead by taking out your arrow then you haven't lived yet! especially when its dark (see rule 4)

7. Take food out of its packaging and put it in a ziplock before hitting the woods, especially candy bars, granola bars, poptarts... it makes it much easier to put back away if you see something coming without getting junk everywhere and is much more quiet then crinkling wrappers

8. Take something to drink! Especially on hot days. You may not plan on much of a workout or being out in the noon heat until you shoot that monster buck and he runs 1/2 a mile in the wrong direction and down hill. Dehydration in the woods is a very real threat. I normally take a Gatorade with me, works fine for keeping dehydration at bay and doesn't taste bad warm.

9. Always watch the weather and dress or plan accordingly. Its a bad idea to go out before sunrise and get all posted up only to realize "severe thunderstorms w/ 30 - 50 mph gusts" means its not good to be in a tree or outdoors

10. Always pack your gear the night before, or even earlier then that. Nothing will make you later then looking for that one last item you wanted to take and can't find. If possible always have all your gear in one place so you can dress and run. I normally wash my stuff once every 2 or 3 outings so a great place is in the dryer (note: DRYER, not WASHER) w/ a scent free or dirt scented dryer sheet

11. Drink your morning coffee or eat breakfast before you get dressed... i know it sounds stupid but when you get dressed 3 times because you keep forgetting layers or your harness you'll thank me.

12. Figure out how much time it will take to get ready and get to the spot and set your alarm accordingly. I'm late more often because I get up EARLY then because I get up on time. When I'm early I have more time to kill so I'll read news, forums, watch TV.. .etc and then I get distracted and end up leaving late

13. Tell the slob that is always the last to arrive to be there 15 - 20 minutes before everyone else is arriving. This helps a LOT in the long run... especially if you are the slob being late all the time

14. If you can take your bows out of the cases and get it all ready before you leave the house do it! you never know when a clip might break or an arrow gets snapped or something stupid like you left your quiver inside after the last time you shot and it didn't make it back in the case with the arrows... much better to see it happen at home then at spot, also much less noise when no zippers or cases are being opened and is a huge time saver

The Hunt!

1. Determine your scent blocking strategy and be smart about it! If you are going to be cool and wear a scent blocker layer then make sure you don't spill your coffee on your outer layer or let your dog sleep on it the night before. Scent blocker keeps YOUR scent in (in theory). it doesn't keep the scent that is out... out!

2. Think of EVERYTHING scent wise. A cool undershirt that is scentblocker doesn't mean you are scent controlled, don't forget about your head, mouth, hands, legs, feet.... etc

3. Be smart with your shots and determine distances ahead of time, if you aren't any good at figuring out where 20 - 30 - 40 yards are then pace it off when you put your stand up, this will only take you an extra 3 minutes but can mean the difference between a kill and a dead tree. Put a 'landmark' at the increments. fallen tree limbs work great, if the deer is right by tree limb 1 then it is 20 yards, if it is at tree limb 2 it is at 30 yards... etc

4. check your shooting lanes, remove close branches that will block your shot but don't overdo it you still need cover and clear cutting isn't a good way to stay concealed.

5. Know your shooting lanes and stick to them. trying to squeeze an arrow through a tiny window is a great trick on TV but doesn't work as well in real life, determine your lanes and stick to them! otherwise you'll end up with a missed shot or worse, a wounded animal.

6. Use your binos to determine your shooting lanes, it sounds stupid but its amazing what a tiny twig can do to an arrow. at 20 yards the chance of seeing that stick is pretty slim. use your binos to spot it and don't shoot towards it.

7. Wait for the shot! Taking a bad shot because you have fever is a bad excuse for losing that trophy of a lifetime and you'll regret it around the campfire for a long time!

8. The hardest part of archery hunting... let it bleed out... I HATE THIS ONE! unless you can see the deer is down and not moving for 30 minutes + then stay in the stand and wait pushing it will only cause problems.

Good luck and be safe

MeanV2
09-03-2007, 08:09 AM
My Tricks go in my Quiver!!:biggrin1:

Sorry couldn't resist:cool:

Dan

Holy Smokes
09-03-2007, 08:11 AM
Alright here are some obvious ones that you don't think about till your there. All of these are personal experience ones :frusty: They are "loosely organized"

ALWAYS WEAR A SAFETY HARNESS



Preparation / planning

1. ALWAYS TAKE A SAW WITH YOU! - I can't tell you how many times I've been 2 feet from the spot I want to be in and can't get there because of a branch, or had to cut off another branch to open a shooting lane. Get a folding one and keep it handy

2. Learn how to efficiently pack your tree stand if you are a climber user. the directions that the manufacturers give suck and there are much better ways to do it normally

3. Use tacks to find your spot, even if you've been there a thousand times during the day you'll get lost in the AM. use reflective tacks, they work.

4. Always take a durable, reliable flashlight with you, you never know when you'll need it. Nothing sucks as bad as having a massive storm roll in 2 hours before you are ready to go in and it get black as night out.

5. Always secure your release!!! If you have a wrist release tuck it up under your shirt sleave, if you have a thandle or non-wrist release put it in a pocket that it can't call out of, no your shirt pocket isn't a good place to put it.

6. Always tighten your broad heads before going out in the field. if you haven't dropped a broadhead by taking out your arrow then you haven't lived yet! especially when its dark (see rule 4)

7. Take food out of its packaging and put it in a ziplock before hitting the woods, especially candy bars, granola bars, poptarts... it makes it much easier to put back away if you see something coming without getting junk everywhere and is much more quiet then crinkling wrappers

8. Take something to drink! Especially on hot days. You may not plan on much of a workout or being out in the noon heat until you shoot that monster buck and he runs 1/2 a mile in the wrong direction and down hill. Dehydration in the woods is a very real threat. I normally take a Gatorade with me, works fine for keeping dehydration at bay and doesn't taste bad warm.

9. Always watch the weather and dress or plan accordingly. Its a bad idea to go out before sunrise and get all posted up only to realize "severe thunderstorms w/ 30 - 50 mph gusts" means its not good to be in a tree or outdoors

10. Always pack your gear the night before, or even earlier then that. Nothing will make you later then looking for that one last item you wanted to take and can't find. If possible always have all your gear in one place so you can dress and run. I normally wash my stuff once every 2 or 3 outings so a great place is in the dryer (note: DRYER, not WASHER) w/ a scent free or dirt scented dryer sheet

11. Drink your morning coffee or eat breakfast before you get dressed... i know it sounds stupid but when you get dressed 3 times because you keep forgetting layers or your harness you'll thank me.

12. Figure out how much time it will take to get ready and get to the spot and set your alarm accordingly. I'm late more often because I get up EARLY then because I get up on time. When I'm early I have more time to kill so I'll read news, forums, watch TV.. .etc and then I get distracted and end up leaving late

13. Tell the slob that is always the last to arrive to be there 15 - 20 minutes before everyone else is arriving. This helps a LOT in the long run... especially if you are the slob being late all the time

14. If you can take your bows out of the cases and get it all ready before you leave the house do it! you never know when a clip might break or an arrow gets snapped or something stupid like you left your quiver inside after the last time you shot and it didn't make it back in the case with the arrows... much better to see it happen at home then at spot, also much less noise when no zippers or cases are being opened and is a huge time saver

The Hunt!

1. Determine your scent blocking strategy and be smart about it! If you are going to be cool and wear a scent blocker layer then make sure you don't spill your coffee on your outer layer or let your dog sleep on it the night before. Scent blocker keeps YOUR scent in (in theory). it doesn't keep the scent that is out... out!

2. Think of EVERYTHING scent wise. A cool undershirt that is scentblocker doesn't mean you are scent controlled, don't forget about your head, mouth, hands, legs, feet.... etc

3. Be smart with your shots and determine distances ahead of time, if you aren't any good at figuring out where 20 - 30 - 40 yards are then pace it off when you put your stand up, this will only take you an extra 3 minutes but can mean the difference between a kill and a dead tree. Put a 'landmark' at the increments. fallen tree limbs work great, if the deer is right by tree limb 1 then it is 20 yards, if it is at tree limb 2 it is at 30 yards... etc

4. check your shooting lanes, remove close branches that will block your shot but don't overdo it you still need cover and clear cutting isn't a good way to stay concealed.

5. Know your shooting lanes and stick to them. trying to squeeze an arrow through a tiny window is a great trick on TV but doesn't work as well in real life, determine your lanes and stick to them! otherwise you'll end up with a missed shot or worse, a wounded animal.

6. Use your binos to determine your shooting lanes, it sounds stupid but its amazing what a tiny twig can do to an arrow. at 20 yards the chance of seeing that stick is pretty slim. use your binos to spot it and don't shoot towards it.

7. Wait for the shot! Taking a bad shot because you have fever is a bad excuse for losing that trophy of a lifetime and you'll regret it around the campfire for a long time!

8. The hardest part of archery hunting... let it bleed out... I HATE THIS ONE! unless you can see the deer is down and not moving for 30 minutes + then stay in the stand and wait pushing it will only cause problems.

Good luck and be safe

Hey take a tooise pop and the rule is ya can't chew it
by tha time it is gone ''usally 30 mins '
ya can go look
comfort food:lol:

brokenarrow
09-03-2007, 08:30 AM
3. Use tacks to find your spot, even if you've been there a thousand times during the day you'll get lost in the AM. use reflective tacks, they work.



I went outand bought a small Gps...just because of this...
I can flag a stand location or 5 stands on the same piece of land...and it has a "tracks" function...so I can record a specific path to those stands...

2 years ago I scouted a piece of state land and found 2 great stand locations...I took a look around and there were no tacks in the trees. or ribbons...so I marked my trail back to the truck...I went back that night and followed my trail in and out...piece of cake

I got there opening day...2 weeks later...and crept down the main trail to my marker...turned on my light...and it looked like a million racoons staring back at me...I don't know if it was someone messing with me or just City hunters that came up in the last 14 days...but I packed it out and went to my back up spot...:frusty: :laugh:

kbohunt
09-03-2007, 09:07 AM
Learn to read deer if ya dont know how!
when they come into a new area,its like you and me (like walking into the house )the first thing you do is look around see everything is the same and then settle down.
A deer walk"s in alert,give him a minute ta settle down, when he wags his tall,hes gettin ready ta sniff the ground,Watch his tail!
When he wag's it start your draw, while his head is moveing down draw,when it hits the ground Release!:biggrin1:

lungcutter
09-03-2007, 07:57 PM
I use cow manure or what ever kind of droppings that are around to rub all over my boots it seems to work well for covering my scent on the way to my stand.

My wife isnt too crazy about the smell of my boots on the porch at the end of the day.:dizzy:

kbohunt
09-03-2007, 08:14 PM
This stuff will have them rollin under your stand.
Ive been useing it every since it came out! Got stock in it!
Took some pics of my hanger & ladder stand with DeerCane about 20yds from each.
In 2 locations set it out in march it was pawed up re-freashened the other day.
Check your local laws before putting it down!
In Virginia you cant put anything down after today,Sept 1

Liv2Bowhunt
09-04-2007, 09:14 AM
One of my most important assets to scent free hunting is rubber boots, i swear by them as much as i do Scent Blocker. Even those boots that say they are scent free can hold scent unless they are 100% rubber. an important thing to remember is tuck your pants into your boots, atleast until you get in your stand. I have had killed several deer that were standing on the run i walked in on, i can only atribute this to the rubber boots.

Here is something you may want to try, moch scrapes. in the pre-rut and rut, a bucks curiosity will take over and he may even start scraping near your mach scrape. I had this happen with a 7pt a few years back. I like to add a drop or two of esterous to them, seems to really work.

Lwapo
09-04-2007, 04:13 PM
Ok, I'm one of the "NEW" members and I'll throw my hat in the ring.

Many bow hunters hunt over bait piles. Depending on the situation, a deer may be facing directly towards you, or directly away from you causing the angle of your shot to be bad or impossible.

A trick!

Put your baitpile (if possible) up against a tree trunk. This will not allow the deer to be facing you while eating. Then, take some 1 to 1 1/2 foot sticks and make a small brush pile (You can drive the sticks in the ground like stakes for a tent) in front of the bait pile. The deer will not want to reach over the small brush pile to eat, so he/she will sidestep and come into the pait pile from either side...

THIS CREATES A BROADSIDE SHOT!

This trick has worked well for me in the situations where I hunt over a baitpile.

firechic
09-27-2007, 04:46 PM
bump for those that haven't read it like me. Wish I had some tricks, but have only been hunting for 4 years. :o(

MoSkeeter0311
09-27-2007, 05:45 PM
I used to get a saline drip setup from a friend of mine that was a Fire Dept. Paramedic and would eject the doe estrus scent into it with a hypo needle that I got from a diabetic friend. In the setup there is a little reel style valve that you can use to adjust the drip. Used an old pair of camo cloth I had from an old shirt I used for hunting and had a girlfriend make a pouch for to set it in. When I put it in a tree where I wanted the buck to head to, I would then spray a scent remover on the whole thing after I adjusted he drip the way I wanted. It kept the scent of the estrus new. When done I would just turn it off and it would be ready for the next time.

Also (in real cold weather) in my hunting shirts: I had someone sew a pocket on the inside of the lower back portion (just two pieces sewn on 3 sides, shaped like a U and the other shaped like an inverted U with the open ends slightly overlapping) Inside I would put one of those large handwarming type things that you crunch to activate. When you keep the small of your back warm while sitting in a tree stand it makes one h*** of a difference.:wave:

bowcraze30
09-27-2007, 07:56 PM
Ok, I'm one of the "NEW" members and I'll throw my hat in the ring.

Many bow hunters hunt over bait piles. Depending on the situation, a deer may be facing directly towards you, or directly away from you causing the angle of your shot to be bad or impossible.

A trick!

Put your baitpile (if possible) up against a tree trunk. This will not allow the deer to be facing you while eating. Then, take some 1 to 1 1/2 foot sticks and make a small brush pile (You can drive the sticks in the ground like stakes for a tent) in front of the bait pile. The deer will not want to reach over the small brush pile to eat, so he/she will sidestep and come into the pait pile from either side...

THIS CREATES A BROADSIDE SHOT!

This trick has worked well for me in the situations where I hunt over a baitpile.

the also wont be able to see u drawback

kbohunt
09-27-2007, 08:30 PM
Ive got one that hasnt been mentioned!
Bluejays!
Hear them in the woods?
If ya do there not talkin to each other.
Bluejays are kinda like crows after turkeys.
If you hear bluejays soundin off in the woods they are disturbed buy something.
Usually Deer,turkeys,bobcat,coyote,bear etc.
They wont sound off at treerats or rabbits or anything thats normally in there area,only larger animals that have moved in or a threat to them,Sometimes house cats too.
When its stil in the morning and the bluejays start sounding off in a spot I LISTEN AND FOCUS ON THAT SPOT & almost all the time a deer comes out!
I have had Bobcats come out too!:biggrin1:
Remember this one if you dont allready no!

lungcutter
09-27-2007, 09:21 PM
good tip on the blue jays. I listen to the birds to tip me off also. I also hunt what I would think would be a good place for turky. Deer and turkey share some of the same foods so if you see a bunch of turkey feeding you will propably see deer.

IChim2
09-28-2007, 04:44 AM
good tip on the blue jays. I listen to the birds to tip me off also. I also hunt what I would think would be a good place for turky. Deer and turkey share some of the same foods so if you see a bunch of turkey feeding you will propably see deer.
I agree.One thing i learned over the years that deer will come in behind where turkey's have scratched to pick up the remaining acorns.Can't count the number of times that i've had a bunch of turkey's come through while on stand and than see deer shortly after.Sometimes it a tough :decision: rather or not to tag a turkey cause a good shot at a deer might not be far hehind.

bullfiddle
09-28-2007, 10:07 PM
Here's one for ya Toilet Paper. One of it's uses is pretty obvious the other is not. The one I am refering to is helping to locate a deer after dark. how many times have you tried to track after dark and loose the blood trail and have to try to go back and start over. If ya take a roll of TP with ya and hang a piece on a limb or a cornstalk or what ever you can go back to where you last found blood pretty easily. Best thing about it is if you forget about it hangin there first time it rains it's gone. My other recomendation is if you haven't tried a headnet or mask your missin out.

GreggWNY
10-02-2007, 05:23 PM
OK, when you are done laughing at this tip think it through.
The very best scent killer you can buy is WHITE VINEGAR.

1. White vinegar is made through a fermentation process. Deer smell fermented vegetation all year long and especially in the fall. It will not spook deer.

2. White vinegar is a known antimicrobial agent. It will safely kill bacteria on your skin and more importantly it will raise the ph level of your skin to prevent bacterial growth for several hours.

3. It will not spook deer. I have sprayed it on scrapes and had deer continue scraping over night. I have sprayed it on trails after smoothing them over and detected new tracks within hours of spraying it.

4. It's cheap. $1.29 a gallon. I use it heavily on my clothing, boots and skin. It's actually good for your skin and it reduces the low ph on your skin's mantle that most soaps cause.

5. It's effective. I don't hunt from trees. I hunt only on the ground in hill country that has constantly switching winds and and swirling thermals. I have watched deer react to vinegar and assure you it will decrease your scent and will not spook deer or bear.

6. Yes, the smell is strong initially but mellows quickly and again even full strength doesnt seem to spook deer.

7. I have had a very hard time convincing other hunters to try it but those few that have now only use white vinegar..it really is that effective.

8. Do a Google search on vinegar. Almost every thing that comes up talks about it's ability to disinfect and deodorize especially body odor.

9. Laugh away but I'll ciontinue killing good bucks on the ground knowing I've found the best and cheapest scent controller I could use.

Here are my last 3 bucks taken on the ground while using vinegar...

kbohunt
10-02-2007, 07:35 PM
OK, when you are done laughing at this tip think it through.
The very best scent killer you can buy is WHITE VINEGAR.

1. White vinegar is made through a fermentation process. Deer smell fermented vegetation all year long and especially in the fall. It will not spook deer.

2. White vinegar is a known antimicrobial agent. It will safely kill bacteria on your skin and more importantly it will raise the ph level of your skin to prevent bacterial growth for several hours.

3. It will not spook deer. I have sprayed it on scrapes and had deer continue scraping over night. I have sprayed it on trails after smoothing them over and detected new tracks within hours of spraying it.

4. It's cheap. $1.29 a gallon. I use it heavily on my clothing, boots and skin. It's actually good for your skin and it reduces the low ph on your skin's mantle that most soaps cause.

5. It's effective. I don't hunt from trees. I hunt only on the ground in hill country that has constantly switching winds and and swirling thermals. I have watched deer react to vinegar and assure you it will decrease your scent and will not spook deer or bear.

6. Yes, the smell is strong initially but mellows quickly and again even full strength doesnt seem to spook deer.

7. I have had a very hard time convincing other hunters to try it but those few that have now only use white vinegar..it really is that effective.

8. Do a Google search on vinegar. Almost every thing that comes up talks about it's ability to disinfect and deodorize especially body odor.

9. Laugh away but I'll ciontinue killing good bucks on the ground knowing I've found the best and cheapest scent controller I could use.

Here are my last 3 bucks taken on the ground while using vinegar...

Ive heard of and old trick of washing your clothes in vinegar.
Good one, i forgot about that one.:rockon: