View Full Version : broadhead that works like fieldpoint?.... rocket recon?
randallhnsn 06-08-2007, 10:49 PM I'm looking for information on broadheads that work with my sites that are set for fieldpoints. If anyone has a favorite or have heard of any tip that works.
Also, If anyone has any information on the rocket recon broadhead?
kbohunt 06-08-2007, 11:02 PM I'm looking for information on broadheads that work with my sites that are set for fieldpoints. If anyone has a favorite or have heard of any tip that works.
Also, If anyone has any information on the rocket recon broadhead?
Yes sir,randall
Ive been using rocket broadheads since they came out!
Close to 10yrs now.
They fly like field points, you dont have to move your sight, as long as you use equal grain weight of your field point.
I use rocket hammer-heads & sidewinders,heres a pic!:peace:
Sniper 06-08-2007, 11:44 PM There are a couple things to consider here, fella.
!. What is your arrow speed at hunting arrow weight? Less than 280 FPS is very risky to get a good deployment of most mechanicals, and many of the package inserts tell you so.
2. Vanes? Feathers? How big? How far do you want to shoot the broadhead? Do you want a fixed or mechanical? What game?
Need the info to make proper suggestions. It all matters.
Do you have a place to shoot practice with broadheads? Do you want to be able to switch back and for from Field points to broadheads without adjustments? Is that what you are try to accomplish? Sounds like it.
randallhnsn 06-08-2007, 11:54 PM There are a couple things to consider here, fella.
!. What is your arrow speed at hunting arrow weight? Less than 280 FPS is very risky to get a good deployment of most mechanicals, and many of the package inserts tell you so.
2. Vanes? Feathers? How big? How far do you want to shoot the broadhead? Do you want a fixed or mechanical? What game?
Need the info to make proper suggestions. It all matters.
Do you have a place to shoot practice with broadheads? Do you want to be able to switch back and for from Field points to broadheads without adjustments? Is that what you are try to accomplish? Sounds like it.
arrow speed is 244, i would like it faster but not sure how. i use vanes, not sure how big. im looking at a range of under 30 yards. i'd be hunting whitetail. i'm rather flexible on mechanical or fixed. i really haven't tried either one yet.
i do have a place to practice but i would rather find a broadhead that i could use my field tip sights with.
Sniper 06-09-2007, 12:10 AM To go faster you will need to
1. reduce arrow weight.
2. Reduce weight of string accessories
3. Increase draw weight.
4. reduce drag to maintain downrange velocity.
Go to a GOOD Pro Shop and tell them you want to increase your arrow speed.
Talk to experienced shooters at your club or 3D shoots.
Come to our club and we will give your equipment a makeover for free.
kbohunt 06-09-2007, 12:14 AM Here it is the rocket re-con.
I am not to sure about what i call push-pin mechanicals.
I like using the rubber band type because of speed.
My son shoots sidewinders that are rated at opening at 220fps he shoots 235 and has taken 5 deer with them.
I use the hammerhead which is rated at 240fps & 220 if you use the back notch on the broad head.
Ive taken around 20 to 25 deer with rockets in the past since using & 6 or 7 turkeys there great on birds.
Anyway heres the re-con
O & fixed blades go with a muzzy or thunderhead i find they fly the best.
In tournaments I took 2nd in the virginia state nfaa broadhead challenge with 100gr thunderheads, in tournaments they dont allow mechanicals.
Hope this helps.:biggrin1:
Sniper 06-09-2007, 12:18 AM What is the Bow?
What is the Draw Weight?
What is the Arrow Length?
What is the Arrow make, Model, and Size, and are you married to them, or open to change/?
What kind of rest do you use?
What kind of peep?
What else is on your string?
kbohunt 06-09-2007, 12:25 AM I think you need to read his opening thread!
He ask about rocket-re-cons!
And yes im married to my set-up's
aint you married to yours?:laugh:
randallhnsn 06-09-2007, 12:34 AM What is the Bow?
What is the Draw Weight?
What is the Arrow Length?
What is the Arrow make, Model, and Size, and are you married to them, or open to change/?
What kind of rest do you use?
What kind of peep?
What else is on your string?
my bow is a parker phoenix 34
my draw weight, last time i checked, was 59. and its maxed out
im not sure about the arrows, but i am open to change.
i use a drop away rest
and i couldnt tell you about the peep
and its just silencers on the string i think.
Sniper 06-09-2007, 12:39 AM Arrow length? from the base of the groove to the tip of the shaft?
Need to know the Make and model of arrow.
Give me that info and I will crunch some numbers and look some stuff up.
Should be able to get you a recommendation to get over 270 at hunting weight, easy.
Do you have a rubber peep Aligner on the peep?
randallhnsn 06-09-2007, 08:49 AM Arrow length? from the base of the groove to the tip of the shaft?
Need to know the Make and model of arrow.
Give me that info and I will crunch some numbers and look some stuff up.
Should be able to get you a recommendation to get over 270 at hunting weight, easy.
Do you have a rubber peep Aligner on the peep?
i took a tape measure to it and its 27 5/8.
the make is AC HUNTER 1165
yes, i forgot about the rubber aligner.
thanks, this is much appreciated.
Sniper 06-09-2007, 01:49 PM Golt Tip XT hunter 35-55, with 2" Blazer vanes, and the montec G5 broadhead, 85 gr.. G5 even makes a practice model for much less than the price of a pack of hunting broadheads.if you go to the Pro Shop and have them made, ask the guy to cut a equal amount off both ends. that is where straightness issues usually occur, and at 28 inches it should be as good as a Gold Tip Pro, for about $35 less. Helical, almost straight, or even dead straight will all work on the vanes. A couple degrees of twist would be the best bet.
Stay away from camo arrows. The added weight,( well over 1 grain a inch ) is a waste of speed for no return, at all.
If you go this way let me know how it works for you, and how fast you get.
If you need a place to order them from, P.M. or E-mail me and i'll give you a contact to a place. You'll have them as specified in about a week.
And get a couple Lumenoks for those last minute shots in season, when the deer runs under your stand as soon as the woods darken up. You'll know if you hit him and where, that's for sure.
Shaman 06-09-2007, 02:49 PM I shoot 260fps.
Taken Turkey with NAP Spitfire 100s and Deer with G5 Montec.
Both fly with my FPs.
Used fresh insulation board.
http://box-family.com/images/archery/blazers_montecs_20yds_09090601.jpg
http://box-family.com/images/archery/blazers_montecs_exit_20yds_09090601.jpg
Montecs are consistent as well.
http://box-family.com/images/archery/montecs_20yds_09162006.jpg
I did tweak my rest to correct the slight right aim point. BHs did not move away from the FPs. I got both lined up and on target.
Sniper 06-09-2007, 03:30 PM Shaman
Are those Blazer vanes?
Shaman 06-09-2007, 06:05 PM Shaman
Are those Blazer vanes?
Yes.
Here is a shot with OEM vs Blazers.
Weird how the impact point is different for each vane.
I would have thought that the weight would make the OEM lower (which it did in a way), but the OEMs also hit to the right just a bit.
The bow is consistent, I'll give it that.
Arrows each have a Montec Practice Head on, they were shot at the twig twice each.
This is the photo of the second pair at the same insulation.
There are technically four shots represented in this picture.
http://box-family.com/images/archery/blazers_OEM01.jpg
http://box-family.com/images/archery/blazers_OEM02.jpg
Sniper 06-09-2007, 09:06 PM I'm a fan of the Bohning Blazer and Mini Blazer myself. Tough vane that grabs the air as soon as the arrow leaves the string. Never went into the woods and found out my vanes got torn up going when I use them. They don't wrinkle going through a Biskit either. They steer my arrow great, with Broadheads or F.P.s And they are resistant to taking a set if I get careless and leave them laying with weight on the vanes. They gat a winner there. I picked up two more 100 ct boxes of the Mini on Wed. They keep up down- range velocity too. Reduced drag, I suspect.
RedFletchings 06-11-2007, 04:39 PM At the speed of my bow, and distance....they shoot the same.
Rocket makes best mechanical and muzzy makes great interchangeable blades.
There is a wide variety to help you.
Mike
MoBowman 06-11-2007, 04:52 PM I use the Rocket Mini-Blasters, they are a 3 blade 78 grain mech that is just awesome. Look at the size of the hole on the picture below, that is the entry wound on a pass thru shot. A blind man could have followed the blood trail. give any of the Rocket expandables a try. They are great :rockon:
http://www.missouri-whitetails.com/data/500/9Deer_Season_2006_005-med.jpg
kbohunt 06-11-2007, 09:12 PM I use the Rocket Mini-Blasters, they are a 3 blade 78 grain mech that is just awesome. Look at the size of the hole on the picture below, that is the entry wound on a pass thru shot. A blind man could have followed the blood trail. give any of the Rocket expandables a try. They are great :rockon:
http://www.missouri-whitetails.com/data/500/9Deer_Season_2006_005-med.jpg
MOBOWMAN, thats awesome!
And he's right i dont sell or spam rockets!
But when mechinal's first came out, i tried them all, & i mean all!
Rockets are my personal best!
Mobowman, when i first started using mechinal's i used the same one you just used the mini-blaster,distroyed every deer i hit!
I changed to the rocket XL & now the hammerhead,all with the same effect!:peace:
MoBowman 06-11-2007, 11:24 PM :biggrin1: I have used the mini-blasters for about 5 years now, replacement blades are fairly inexpensive and easy to come by. I haven't really come across anything else that has interested me or cause me to want to change.
UPSTATE 06-12-2007, 02:21 AM Another big fan of rocket broadheads here. I've used miniblasters for proabbly 10 years or so , shot a lot of deer with them. Huge holes produced with the 1 3/4 inch cutting diameter.Lots of easy blood trails.
I have switched to rocket sidewinder the last 2 years and have had 7 perfect kills on deer with them so far. I made the change for the chisel tip, heavier weight, and stronger blades ; all adding up to 7 for 7 pass throughs.
The recon makes me nervous - reminds me of the old pucketts blood trailer, a terrible head which caused many of the horrible deer wounding stories back when expandables first hit the market. Have not seen it or used it ,only saw the picture in this thread
kbohunt 06-12-2007, 09:55 PM Another big fan of rocket broadheads here. I've used miniblasters for proabbly 10 years or so , shot a lot of deer with them. Huge holes produced with the 1 3/4 inch cutting diameter.Lots of easy blood trails.
I have switched to rocket sidewinder the last 2 years and have had 7 perfect kills on deer with them so far. I made the change for the chisel tip, heavier weight, and stronger blades ; all adding up to 7 for 7 pass throughs.
The recon makes me nervous - reminds me of the old pucketts blood trailer, a terrible head which caused many of the horrible deer wounding stories back when expandables first hit the market. Have not seen it or used it ,only saw the picture in this thread
Right,the pucketts is what my brother & his son were using & then they changed to the pucketts bloodletter & now they use the rockets after wounding a few.
They were watchin me nockem down, Ill admit i used wasp,thunderheads,muzzys,razorheads,titans,all with success with about 90% perfect hits.
The rocket makes up the other 10%,I havent wounded an animal in 7years.
Im not a perfect shot under or should i say over a 140 class buck at 15yds so if i mis-hit by 2 inches he's still history!
My nephew killed a nice 10pt last year with a slip-cam broadhead, Lucky he double lunged him, the broad head never fully opened It put a hole in him the size of a nickle!
He's switchin to hammerheads like i shoot for this year comming up!:peace:
Holy Smokes 06-12-2007, 10:10 PM Right,the pucketts is what my brother & his son were using & then they changed to the pucketts bloodletter & now they use the rockets after wounding a few.
They were watchin me nockem down, Ill admit i used wasp,thunderheads,muzzys,razorheads,titans,all with success with about 90% perfect hits.
The rocket makes up the other 10%,I havent wounded an animal in 7years.
Im not a perfect shot under or should i say over a 140 class buck at 15yds so if i mis-hit by 2 inches he's still history!
My nephew killed a nice 10pt last year with a slip-cam broadhead, Lucky he double lunged him, the broad head never fully opened It put a hole in him the size of a nickle!
He's switchin to hammerheads like i shoot for this year comming up!:peace:
I'm stickin(no puns) with tha fix heards. To big a chicken ta trust those things that can malfunction.
You Know me keepin it simple.
kbohunt 06-12-2007, 10:33 PM Smokes, Im not knockin fixed heads, they were here first.
I just try new things when they come out like all archers, & if they work better to me i keep using them!:biggrin1:
Sniper 06-13-2007, 12:12 AM I used to use Puckett's back in the day. My only complaint was the only steel was the blades. A hard bone hit bent or broke the ferrule. Took a few deer, wounded a couple. the wounded were my fault, not the points. Bad shot placement by a nervous neophyte. Technology has pasted them by. To be honest, if we hit them in the 10 ring with a field point they go down fast, if we shoot them in the hip or guts with anything.....
phillip 07-01-2007, 12:22 AM Iv used the rocket steel head XP's with cutt on contact tips for hogs and have never had a problem, good holes, lots of blood,clean kills.
the only heads I'll use. Flys the same as my field points.
Shaman 07-24-2007, 05:19 PM Dad and Bro each took bear this spring with Shockwaves.
They both still use rockets for Turkey.
This is what happened on the Tom I hit in the breastplate head on.
Rockets are a good head on a clean skin and vitals shot. But any contact with bone and they seem to twist up.
http://box-family.com/images/hunting/turkey_10_22__2006_hammerhead01.jpg
http://box-family.com/images/hunting/turkey_10_22__2006_hammerhead02.jpg
Last two turkeys were with Spitfire 100s and I won't be going back to Rockets anytime soon.
My Spitfires went right through and cut a nice 3 slicer all the way through the turkey.
MeanV2 07-24-2007, 06:17 PM I'm stickin(no puns) with tha fix heards. To big a chicken ta trust those things that can malfunction.
You Know me keepin it simple.
I've shot a bunch of different mechanicals and killed over 50 animals using them. One malfunction was too many, but 2 sealed the deal. I won't use one anymore on anything but Turkeys. I really don't see the need in taking that risk:cool:
Dan
poorman 07-24-2007, 07:00 PM First of all, dont ever assume that they will fly like a field point. I sont care what the package or anyone else tells you. You need to shoot them (whatever you choose) through your set up to insure that they are hitting where you want.
Second, at the speed you are currently shooting I would personally go with a fixed blade head. I know that a lot of guys use mechanicals with great success but I have personally lost two deer due to poor penetration with mechanicals out of a little slower than yours is.
Third, You have asked a question that will be argued till the end of time.
Its all about personal preference.
I personally have never looked at the head you are asking about but from the picture it looks like a lot of movement is required for that head to do what it is suppose to. Just remember that shot placement is the golden ticket no matter what head you choose.
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