I was thinking about the recent post about how some sites sell bow packages, and how some "NEW" bows you can't sell on-line. Look on ebay you'll find all kinds. Any way...If you take a new bow, mount a sight, a rest, a stabilizer, a sling, string suppressor, serve the string for the suppressor, a peep, a kisser, put string nocks or a loop on it. Fire it a half dozen times for tuning, does that essentially make it used? I think so, or at least a demo bow. Essentially all the equipment in stalled on the bow would be considered used, wouldn't it? There seems to be a potential loop hole in that rule?

Got any thoughts on this???

Ben

Shooting it. That is what I call used.

That's deep Man

I think if you add things to the bow and shoot it period it's a used bow or a set-up ready to go broke in bow.

If anybody other than myself has shot the bow, then it is no longer new. If you buy a package with everything attached as new, then you have to accept it as new. However, I still thing the shop should wait and let the customer shoot it to set rest height and center shot, set the peep, and adjust the sight.....

The moment you receive the receipt.

I was thinking about the recent post about how some sites sell bow packages, and how some "NEW" bows you can't sell on-line. Look on ebay you'll find all kinds. Any way...If you take a new bow, mount a sight, a rest, a stabilizer, a sling, string suppressor, serve the string for the suppressor, a peep, a kisser, put string nocks or a loop on it. Fire it a half dozen times for tuning, does that essentially make it used? I think so, or at least a demo bow. Essentially all the equipment in stalled on the bow would be considered used, wouldn't it? There seems to be a potential loop hole in that rule?

Got any thoughts on this???

Ben

actually alot are not supposed to!!! I know you cant sell pro series PSE online. Unless you have a contract. Cabelas and Bass pro used to. But PSE pulled all there bows out from them. Due to infringement clause. They can sell what they have left in stock...

If anybody other than myself has shot the bow, then it is no longer new. If you buy a package with everything attached as new, then you have to accept it as new. However, I still thing the shop should wait and let the customer shoot it to set rest height and center shot, set the peep, and adjust the sight.....

I agree 100% with this! how can you call it new if someone was shooting it already to tune it?you have to ACCEPT it as new,that's why i buy a bare bow.

If it has shot an(1) arrow then it is used.:doh:

The moment you receive the receipt.

I'm pretty sure I second that... And maybe add "when you drive it off the lot"...:bowl:

Ron

All jokes aside a lot of people has probbly bought a new bow from an archery shopp but didn't realize(sp) that they really bought a used one that had already been shot by several others.What i mean by this is if a person goes in and tries out a bow that has been on the rack (demo)tested by others and decides that that's the bow he wants and the seller say's can you come back in an hour or tomorrow morning and i'll have it (new one in the box)checked out and ready for you....most (new) and probbly some thats been it for a bit wouldn't know the difference between the demo(after cleaned up a bit) or the one nib.JMO

I would not say just shooting it makes it used, most bow shops let people shoot bows in the shop therefore all would be "USED"....

I would say once its paid for its used

my local Mathews dealer knocks 50.00 off any bow in the store because they are "drawn and shot by other people". if he need to order you one in its full price.

One local store actually has zip ties around the string so it can't be drawn until you are going to buy it... kind of crappy but they had a huge issue with dry fires and exactly this... noone wants a "shop bow" for the same price as a "new bow"

I was standing in the shop when my XT arrived by UPS. And was the first one to shoot it. Well unless Mathews techs test fired it for me. Hmmmm.....maybe my bow was used????:laugh: Oh well they were just making sure everything was spot on for me. And they done a great job.:peace:

I was standing in the shop when my XT arrived by UPS. And was the first one to shoot it. Well unless Mathews techs test fired it for me. Hmmmm.....maybe my bow was used????:laugh: Oh well they were just making sure everything was spot on for me. And they done a great job.:peace:
Being test fired at the factory doesn't count in my opinion....
If it's test fired by every one who comes in the shop, it's a DEMO...
if it sold by the shop, orm any one else...its used
Either way, it's not new

Being test fired at the factory doesn't count in my opinion....
If it's test fired by every one who comes in the shop, it's a DEMO...
if it sold by the shop, orm any one else...its used
Either way, it's not new

yup my thoughts exactly. If I buy a NEW bow I expect it to come to me in a box from the factory and still have all the tags on it.

So if it is not allowed to sell a new Bowtech, or Mathews, or X-force...on line, what are the rules on selling a slightly "used" but current year bow on-line?

Ben

well......, good question. Used is an arbitrary term derived from somewhere I'm not sure about.

If someone test shot it 10 times at the shop, does it become a used bow and they mark it down from $700 to $550? Nope. Its still "new"

If I buy it, take it home, shoot it 10 times and decide it blows, can I sell it as new? Nope, its used now = "near new."


In other words, I really don't know. :confused:

So if it is not allowed to sell a new Bowtech, or Mathews, or X-force...on line, what are the rules on selling a slightly "used" but current year bow on-line?

Ben

It depends upon the source of the bow and contracts signed by the person selling it. The reason dealers can't is they sign or agree to something saying they won't. If they want to sell to someone else at a discount so that person can sell them well thats between the dealer and that person

So if it is not allowed to sell a new Bowtech, or Mathews, or X-force...on line, what are the rules on selling a slightly "used" but current year bow on-line?

Ben

I doubt any shop is going to sell new bows at used bow prices just so they can sell them online:cool:

I'm sure if you get a bow in your shop that retails for $700, let 10 or 15 customers shoot around with it and then sell is as "used" for $500 a month later, no manufacturer is going to say much. It is your loss, not theirs.....

Well, similarly to a new vehicle. The company does not consider it used just because 5 people test drove the truck 10 miles each. My truck was bought in Ohio, but was driven from Michigan the day before by the dealership. Also, our mustang was delivered from 4 hours away and the sales person drove it.

These loop holes are simply technicalities and if a manufacturer catches a dealer trying to take advantage of these he could very well find it difficult to get any more new bows from the company.

As an online store and retail store, we watch ebay and notice the same stuff as you guys. You will see new bows listed. We often wonder how they get away with it.

The issue with putting a package and selling on line is that the bow is not registered yet. So it is still a new bow. If it was registered to someone and then sold online it would be ok.

I know for a fact that Bowtech buys about a dozen bows on ebay each year to try to find out which dealers are selling them online. When they are caught they pull their dealership.

I guess from the consumer standpoint, you get a chance to get a new bow cheaper. From the dealers standpoint, it's frustrating when a customer brings in a new bow (that you also sell) that was purchased on ebay. Now they want you to set it up for them. We will do it but there is also a charge for the setup.

I'm not filling out the registration on my wife's new Leopard. I'm gonna sell it as new next year on EBAY!!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Good info though Chris. That was one point left out.....

People actually fill out those cards? :)

They have to honor the warranty with or without them and personally I'm not a big fan of giving companies more information then they need. If I buy a bow with cash at my local dealer I'm not writing all my info down and mailing it in so that the company can spam me from then on out.

Think it doesn't happen? Bowtech definately does it, last I heard Mathews did as well and so does Marting I'm pretty sure. Not sure about the rest. Not to mention the fact that I don't know WHO gets the info on that card.

People actually fill out those cards? :)

They have to honor the warranty with or without them and personally I'm not a big fan of giving companies more information then they need. If I buy a bow with cash at my local dealer I'm not writing all my info down and mailing it in so that the company can spam me from then on out.

Think it doesn't happen? Bowtech definately does it, last I heard Mathews did as well and so does Marting I'm pretty sure. Not sure about the rest. Not to mention the fact that I don't know WHO gets the info on that card.

I wouldn't buy one of them Martings anyways...... total junk....:rockon:

People actually fill out those cards? :)

They have to honor the warranty with or without them and personally I'm not a big fan of giving companies more information then they need. If I buy a bow with cash at my local dealer I'm not writing all my info down and mailing it in so that the company can spam me from then on out.

Think it doesn't happen? Bowtech definately does it, last I heard Mathews did as well and so does Marting I'm pretty sure. Not sure about the rest. Not to mention the fact that I don't know WHO gets the info on that card.

I have to say, I never got anything from Hoyt.

On Mathews, I bought something off their website for a friend and now every few months they send me propaganda!

I have to say, I never got anything from Hoyt.

On Mathews, I bought something off their website for a friend and now every few months they send me propaganda!

yup! I get enough crap in mail and email, don't need more!

As an online store and retail store, we watch ebay and notice the same stuff as you guys. You will see new bows listed. We often wonder how they get away with it.

The issue with putting a package and selling on line is that the bow is not registered yet. So it is still a new bow. If it was registered to someone and then sold online it would be ok.

I know for a fact that Bowtech buys about a dozen bows on ebay each year to try to find out which dealers are selling them online. When they are caught they pull their dealership.

I guess from the consumer standpoint, you get a chance to get a new bow cheaper. From the dealers standpoint, it's frustrating when a customer brings in a new bow (that you also sell) that was purchased on ebay. Now they want you to set it up for them. We will do it but there is also a charge for the setup.

That more or less answers my question. I'm not in the business, nor do I plan on buying a new bow on-line anytime soon. Just thinking that if you were to install a bunch of accessories in a new bow, and paper tune it, it wouldn't be new thus an on-line store could use the excuse that it' snot new, that's why we can sell it on-line, all the while selling at new prices.

Just posted this for the sake of conversation. :peace:

Ben

I know for a fact that Bowtech buys about a dozen bows on ebay each year to try to find out which dealers are selling them online. When they are caught they pull their dealership.




Sounds illegal. They better hope Ebay doesn't find out they are using their website to police dealers.

Sounds illegal. They better hope Ebay doesn't find out they are using their website to police dealers.

Who cares if they are caught? They are buying back inventory that is being illegally sold in an attempt to determine who the seller is... how is that illegal?

Who cares if they are caught? They are buying back inventory that is being illegally sold in an attempt to determine who the seller is... how is that illegal?

hey listen....be nice to the newbies:mad:

Actually there is nothing illegal about selling bows online. It is against the Terms of Service (TOS) set by Bowtech. This is not a crime but it can get your dealership pulled.

Actually there is nothing illegal about selling bows online.


Thanks Chris. :wave:

Dredly, leave the newbies alone.

I just don't want to see Bowtech get in trouble, thats all. Ebay is a very serious organization and they take fraud and service abuse very seriously.

If a dealer wanted to sell a Bowtech on Ebay, they could get away with it pretty easily, its when they register their dealership name for the paypal that can bust them.

Me personally, as long as I know its not hot, its authentic, and the price is right, I'll buy a Bowtech from anyone. :cool:

Thanks Chris. :wave:

Dredly, leave the newbies alone.

I just don't want to see Bowtech get in trouble, thats all. Ebay is a very serious organization and they take fraud and service abuse very seriously.

If a dealer wanted to sell a Bowtech on Ebay, they could get away with it pretty easily, its when they register their dealership name for the paypal that can bust them.

Me personally, as long as I know its not hot, its authentic, and the price is right, I'll buy a Bowtech from anyone. :cool:

All they have to do is check the serial numbers. They know exactly what dealer received the bow.

All they have to do is check the serial numbers. They know exactly what dealer received the bow.

what if they are filed off?

what if they are filed off?

LOL... I don't think anyone would get good money from a bow that has the serial number filed off.:laugh:

LOL... I don't think anyone would get good money from a bow that has the serial number filed off.:laugh:


I just bought a bow and never even thought to ask or even look for the serial numbers and I've had it for over two weeks now. You never know.

bows have serial numbers?

The big reason pro shops dont sell online. They would be there own worst enemy. They also get extra money for every bow they sell w/ adding sights, rest , arrows, quivers ect..... they would just be cutting themselves out of money...

If it has shot an(1) arrow then it is used.:doh:


I agree with BHH on this one.

I agree with BHH on this one.

You sure do agree with me an awful lot.:D :wave: