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    Default What do Xtremely long Stabilizers do?

    I was target shooting yesterday, and a group of archers came in and they pulled out their bows; Matthews Drenalin LD and a Hoyt Vectrix, and they had...30" stabilizers on them. They also had scopes and all the fancy stuff.

    These guys shot the daylights out of these targets! They were begging the X's all night..I think they missed the X from 20 yards maybe 4 times out of probably 70 shots each.

    My question is...why do all target archers use LONG stabilizers? DO they make the bow more steady for aiming, or do they just prevent the bow from jumping when it is shot? I'd love to know.

    I think stabilizers like mine...the short 6 inch ones are just to reduce vibration correct? But the long ones are for stability when aiming?

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    Good ?
    It will keep your bow from falling backards
    take it off and hold it in your hand and it will pivoit back

    it also reduces shock

    so its # 1 USE IS TO KEEP IT stablized the bow in your hand front to back

    now there is right and left issues that some use to address that stablization as well



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    Kinda like the tightrope walkers using a long balance pole.

    Throw a long bar with a v bar offset on your bow and shoot, you will se real quickly why we use them.
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    Length compounds leverage which will increase inertia (resistance to movement)

    Grab a golf club by the handle, and swing it around, you can feel it takes significant force to move the head. now choke up on the handle halfway (which simulates a shorter stab) It gets easier to move. Shorter stabs have less leverage, so with the same weight at the end, it will resist movement less.

    You can however amplify the resistance by shooting a shorter stab, but increasing the weight at the end of the stab to still end up with the same effect.

    The advantage to the long stab, is the farther you extend the weight from the point of rotation (you hand) the less weight you will need to get large results, which equals less mass weight.

    The second job of a stab is to create or upset ballance. (The management of directional pulls) This is where length plays a huge factor as well. length compounds leverage to make less weight feel like more, or less weight needed to get the same directional pull. the draw and holding weight of the bow will give the feel of a rearward pull on a bare bow. single stablizers are used to offset that directional pull, by pulling back in the opposite direction.

    Full v-systems work in the exact same way, but allow us to get more precise by opening up ballance options in all directions. You can correct sight or shelf side imballances, as well as weight added to the rear is like taking off weight in the front. so while it may be dificult to shoot a 36"main with 3 oz on the end of the stab for you, it may not be if you can offsett that directional pull rearward.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jimposten View Post
    Length compounds leverage which will increase inertia (resistance to movement)

    Grab a golf club by the handle, and swing it around, you can feel it takes significant force to move the head. now choke up on the handle halfway (which simulates a shorter stab) It gets easier to move. Shorter stabs have less leverage, so with the same weight at the end, it will resist movement less.

    You can however amplify the resistance by shooting a shorter stab, but increasing the weight at the end of the stab to still end up with the same effect.

    The advantage to the long stab, is the farther you extend the weight from the point of rotation (you hand) the less weight you will need to get large results, which equals less mass weight.

    The second job of a stab is to create or upset ballance. (The management of directional pulls) This is where length plays a huge factor as well. length compounds leverage to make less weight feel like more, or less weight needed to get the same directional pull. the draw and holding weight of the bow will give the feel of a rearward pull on a bare bow. single stablizers are used to offset that directional pull, by pulling back in the opposite direction.

    Full v-systems work in the exact same way, but allow us to get more precise by opening up ballance options in all directions. You can correct sight or shelf side imballances, as well as weight added to the rear is like taking off weight in the front. so while it may be dificult to shoot a 36"main with 3 oz on the end of the stab for you, it may not be if you can offsett that directional pull rearward.



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    basically they look 22.6% cooler
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    So would I be more accurate with a longer stabilizer on my Vectrix than the Hoyt 6", 8oz. one I have currently?

    I have a problem with my pins floating more than I like, and I am looking for something to get that to stop, not to mention resist some premature flinching also.

    Is it a given that if you go to a 26-30 inch stabilizer you will be more accurate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    My goodness you sound smart!
    that is what I was thinking...mine just looks really cool
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredly View Post
    basically they look 22.6% cooler
    you obviously don't shoot with a Posten....they instantly increase coolness by a minimum of 47.6%
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    You will see less pin movement when switching from a 6" dampener, to a stab that is designed to limit pin movement.

    Not everyone will benifit from the same stab, you have to get what fits your preferences.

    Which is why adjustability is a very important feature in a stab.

    I recieved your PM, I will aswere it later this evening when I have more time, and we can get into deciding what will work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swintj1 View Post
    So would I be more accurate with a longer stabilizer on my Vectrix than the Hoyt 6", 8oz. one I have currently?

    I have a problem with my pins floating more than I like, and I am looking for something to get that to stop, not to mention resist some premature flinching also.

    Is it a given that if you go to a 26-30 inch stabilizer you will be more accurate?
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    My Posten definately helps me hold steadier.


    As far as the coolness scale I was thinking 47.5% but maybe Hook is right????


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    the increase in coolness factor of adding a long stabilizer is not measurable in any way.......ITS THAT COOL......
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    It absolutely limits pin movement...now if I can just get it to stop on the X instead of just below and to the right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hook Em View Post
    It absolutely limits pin movement...now if I can just get it to stop on the X instead of just below and to the right
    file it down on the upper left side.....













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    LOL you cracked me up with them percentages. so random. why not just 22.0? has to be 22.6
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    I think you found something out by watching. And you have drawn a correct conclusion. The one thing a long stabilizer does that a short one does not do is "STABILIZE". You are correct that these dinky things for hunting are mainly for noise reduction and vibrations dampening, and in some cases add mass weight for balance. But as far as being stabilizers they are next to worthless.

    That being said, it's not very practical to hunt with a 30-40" stabilizer. About 12" is what I use. Besides, that's the longest that can be used for sanctioned 3D shoots in any Bowhunter class.

    Quote Originally Posted by swintj1 View Post
    I was target shooting yesterday, and a group of archers came in and they pulled out their bows; Matthews Drenalin LD and a Hoyt Vectrix, and they had...30" stabilizers on them. They also had scopes and all the fancy stuff.

    These guys shot the daylights out of these targets! They were begging the X's all night..I think they missed the X from 20 yards maybe 4 times out of probably 70 shots each.

    My question is...why do all target archers use LONG stabilizers? DO they make the bow more steady for aiming, or do they just prevent the bow from jumping when it is shot? I'd love to know.

    I think stabilizers like mine...the short 6 inch ones are just to reduce vibration correct? But the long ones are for stability when aiming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werd View Post
    LOL you cracked me up with them percentages. so random. why not just 22.0? has to be 22.6
    The percentages are based on the Dredly scale of Coolness. The Posten does indeed approach the 47.6% scale however only if it is fully annodized and customized to match the rest of the bow, which must also be fully anodized.

    Otherwise a Posten adds a mere 34.9% to the coolness factor. (+5% more if you have the weight kit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredly View Post
    The percentages are based on the Dredly scale of Coolness. The Posten does indeed approach the 47.6% scale however only if it is fully annodized and customized to match the rest of the bow, which must also be fully anodized.

    Otherwise a Posten adds a mere 34.9% to the coolness factor. (+5% more if you have the weight kit)
    Only 5% for the weight kit ?
    I was thinking more around 5.2%...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredly View Post
    The percentages are based on the Dredly scale of Coolness. The Posten does indeed approach the 47.6% scale however only if it is fully annodized and customized to match the rest of the bow, which must also be fully anodized.

    Otherwise a Posten adds a mere 34.9% to the coolness factor. (+5% more if you have the weight kit)
    man, if thats true, my hole setup down to the clothes matches.........I AM EXPONENTIALLY COOLER than all of you!!!!
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