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    Default Comments on the MAC Championship?

    I have heard some disappointing comments on the MAC championships.
    I was told there were many close shots even for the Comp class. In fact, I was told that most of the Comp Class shots were under 25 yards.

    If this is the case, I can only imagine how high some of the scores were.
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    Chris:

    Do you shoot these tournaments?

    Brenda

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    I normally do but work has kept me away the past two years. I was "MAC Shooter of the Year" a couple years ago.
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    Default Close Targets

    Chris-

    Yes, there were a lot (30-40%) of close targets 10-20yds, but 90% were rock rascals with 12 rings the size of dimes and depending how many were in your group you could be shooting for a safe 10 on those.

    I will say the 11 that were in the open were very demanding due to the windy conditions. Scores were not as high as you would have thought, a handful of 315+ scores.

    For my first time I enjoyed myself, took 5th in MCOMP and won a wolf target so I can't complain, but I do know about a couple of incidents that should I have been involved with it, the event wouldn't have been as fun, but hopefully they will take people's suggestions to improve the event for next year.

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    Double Lung' em' - I agree with you the shoot wasnt as easy as you might think. Sorry to hear that something happened - I hope you are going to share this information with the Mac Committee or atleast shared it with the ALA.

    Chris - You need to get your boss involved in archery and maybe he/she will let you come back to play with us.
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    Default mac

    Well I was 1 of 5 people that were involved in the problem they had. I will do my best to be fair in all my statements.
    I arrived at the shoot at 11:00am Sun. That was the soonest I could get there. Upon arriving I was asked if I minded shooting in a group of 5? I told the official I wasn't fond of the idea, 4 of us were comp shooters. I told him we stand a greater chance of having glance outs on little targets. He said they did not have enough score keepers to send out so we were basiclly shuck. So we finally went out about 11:30- 11:45. ( MAC rules say you must start before 12:00) The 1st 11 targets were in an open field with windy conditions. That ate up a lot of time. By target 12 we entered the woods. At this point it was almost 2:00. We had a range official walk with us for 3 targets and he left. Then 3 targets later an official came back on a 4 wheeler to check on us and left. He came back 2 more times and left. With only 6 targets to go the 1 st official that was with us as we entered the woods returned and asked how things were going. We said fine. He looked at his watch and told us we had 20 min. to shoot 6 targets or risk being DQ'ed. So he called for another official to score so we could break up into 2 groups and finish on time. Well by then panic had set in and we were nervous about making the time. Another scorer arrived and we broke up. I shot with another guy and the other 3 shot together. The guy I shot with and myself were running from target to target just to get them all shot. I did okay, but the others all dropped a bunch of points. The guy I shot with dropped 11 points in 3 targets. Needless to say there were some very unhappy people. The problem I have with the whole thing was they waited until it was to late to bust the group. This should have been done one of the four times an official came back to check on us. Never the less the MAC has lost several good shooters. In my opinion, the MAC drpped the ball. I hope they will learn from this and make things better for those that chose to continue to shoot the MAC. I, along with others have learned. That is to stay away, till they fix the problems. Jeff Borg (unconserned shooter)

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    That's terrible. If they knew you were going to be strapped for time, why in the world did they send 5 people in a group.

    I am sure there were some very unhappy shooters in your group. Why didn't the range offical tell you earlier that time was going to be a problem and break the group sooner.

    Having to run between targets is not right. The other shooters didn't have to run between targets.
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    Jeff:

    That just plain sucks. Is it stated in the rules of the MAC for time limit to shoot a complete course? I just wasn't up to shooting it this past weekend because I have been traveling for work all last week. After hearing that I am happy I did not go. The MAC good be a really good org. and I know a handful of people try hard but they just make some bad decisions sometimes. I look forward to shooting with you when the indoor season starts.

    Steve

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    Like DBL'em said, there were 10 or more targets that were 20 yrds or less. And when you have 4 comp. guys that can shoot, there is usually 1 or more kick outs. There were several goups of 3 that had an advantage over some of the larger groups. There was even a group of 7. Now that is just plain dumb.

    Chopper, there is no rule for time allowed to shoot the course, just a deadline of 4:00 pm. The funny thing was they didn't have the scores done till almost 6:00 pm. I don't see why making us rush was such a big deal.

    Another thing, I shot the Money class and won it. They handed me my big check for all of $26.00. It cost me $30.00 to shoot it. I didn't even break even. All that aggervation for $26 doesn't seem worth it.
    Jeff

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    Jefro,

    Do they have any of the scores posted. I just like to see how everyone finished.
    $26 that's sad.
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    Question I cant believe what I am reading!!

    Jefro,

    Im sorry about what happened yesterday but I disagree with what you are posting on here. You were asked by me and another range official if the group you were put with was satisfactory. I asked you and B.R. personally!! I recall both of you telling us that yes, that was fine. If fact, you stated that you would like to shoot together anyway. If you were not happy with the situation, I feel that you were given every opportunity to state otherwise seems how I asked you twice. And, I did volunteer to be your scorekeeper if you didnt want to go out in a group of five. Yes, I said that I really didnt feel like going back out, but I would. I said that twice also. Another thing...if there were range officials checking on you numerous times, at what time did you ask for a scorekeeper to break the group to get you through the course quicker? Yes a group of 5 will require more time to shoot but who knew how long it would take exactly??

    Thanks
    Cindy @ MAC Central

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    MAC Rules state: Article IV, Section A, #1, letter t. There is a 12:00pm noon registration deadline and a 4:00pm deadline for submitting scorecards on Sunday at the Championship Shoot.

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    Default It was suppose to be 100.

    If you get on the website for the mac it states 100 dollars for the winner,I was discusted,now I feel like puking...
    I was wondering if there were a pack of dogs,I know I saw atleast 2 wolfs and 2 coyotes,alot of the same targets...like deer,I was expecting everyone to be different really...and atleast a few at 50 for us comp shooters.
    35-40% is underestimating 20 yard shots...I shot the same course you guys did,come on,once we hit the woods,what the hell was that.
    I thought I was a cub shooter again.
    7-9 targets in a row?
    bullstine.........Ridiculous target selection for a so renown shoot.
    I looked forward to that shoot for months,I thought it sucked.Sorry I have nothing less to look forward to and don't care if I go to it next year really.I had more fun at monroe qualifying,thanks.

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    The rules state that there will be a $100 prize awarded to the TOP GUN, not every class.

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    Cindy-
    you can disagree with me all you want. I was told by Dave S. that they did not have enough score keepers to go around. At that point I didn't care. My issue is not that I had 5 people in my group, it is that the MAC screwed up by not breaking the group sooner. You can try all you want to take the blame off the MAC, but it is your responsablity, not mine to ask for a score keeper. As far as that goes, when does having a score keeper even make differece? You people didn't require it at any qualifiers.

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    Cindy in response to your e-mail:

    Hi Jeff,
    I just read your post on 3dshoots.com. I have a few
    questions for you. First, I stood there and asked you
    and Bryan personally if you guys were ok with the
    group that we had arranged. I recall both you and
    Bryan saying that it was fine. Why on earth didnt you
    say anything at that point about having too many
    people in the group? I stood there and said that I
    would go as a scorekeeper...yes I said I really didnt
    want to go out again but I would.
    I said that more
    than once!! Dave Shumway was right there with me and
    recalls the same conversation. Did you ever ask for a
    second scorekeeper when visited by range officials on
    the course???? Once I found out the story behind
    Bryan being so upset, I fought...fought HARD for you
    guys. There was no reason at all that any of you
    should have been rushed on that course. That was a
    long course and it took 4 hours or more for groups of
    3 to get thru there. If you do the math, a group of 5
    should be allowed at least 5 hours for that course and
    that's not allowing time to pull arrows and walk to
    the next target. I was VERY upset myself when I heard
    that you guys were rushed.
    I personally,and
    especially the guys at ALA worked hard for this shoot
    this year and its a bit disappointing to see messages
    like yours posted all over. For being Pro/Semi-Pro
    shooters, some of the guys sure have poor
    sportsmanship.
    I went out to let Bryan know that we
    needed to check his equipment yesterday not knowing he
    was upset about anything and he was down right rude to
    me. For what reason??? He also had every chance in
    the world to change the situation from the start but
    chose not to. We, all of us that have a part in
    running the MAC, are not claiming to be Pros/Semi-Pros
    so we are bound to make mistakes. So, please, if you
    ever hear or see something that doesnt seem quite
    right...dont be afraid to voice your opinion on the
    spot. Sometimes people appreciate that little added
    help. Jeff, Im sorry that you and the others in your
    group had a bad experience this year. I hope that one
    day you can attempt to help us rather than hurt us by
    posting negative messages.

    Thanks
    Cindy @ MAC Central

    1. Yes I recall you coming over to our group and asking if this group was OK. We really didn't have a choice I thought, since Dave told me there were no available scorekeepers. I don't recall you asking ME if we needed you to keep score. The number of shooters in the group wasn't an issue at that point.

    2. What exactly were you fighting for? It was all said and done by that time.

    3. Since you yourself realized that it was taking groups of 3 or 4 at least 4 hours, you yourself should have known that a group of 5 would be at least 5 hours. Why wasn't someone sent out to us when you had more scorekeepers available who were willing to go out. Even at the halfway point it could have helped so we wouldn't have had to rush. When the Range Official came out to check on us 3 different times what was he doing? Was he checking our time? Why wasn't a scorekeeper offered to us any an of these times?

    4. As an "Amateur" shooter (not Pro or Semi-Pro), I don't feel it's my responsibility to ask for a scorekeeper, it's the officials of the MAC to realize the potential for a problem and fix it, such as needing a scorekeeper. It's obvious by your e-mail and the amount of trips the officials made out to check on us, that you all knew we weren't going to make it by 4:00 p.m.

    5. My point is this, I never had a problem with the group I was shooting with, the problem is that the MAC is trying to make this all seem to be MY problem instead of theirs. My only problem is that the MAC didn't act in a professional manner by maintaining a shooting schedule as needed, doing whatever it takes to ensure that all shooters have the opportunity to finish the course without being rushed.

    6. Now, with the course having to be finished by 4:00 p.m., why did it take until 6:00 p.m. to start giving out the awards? Since the 4:00 deadline was such a big deal, the awards should have started right away. Don't tell me you wait until all scores are in to start tallying totals. That just wouldn't make sense or be the smartest thing to do. Surely, you are getting final totals together as they come in so everyone is ready to start the awards ceremony by 4:00 when the last group comes in. So why then, did we all have to stand around for 2 hours?

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    Default What if....

    As far as I can tell,there is no doubt in my mind that the mac was not coordinated at all properly,even from my standpoint and veiw.
    I got shooting at around 11:00,w/a group of 4.
    When I got done at 3,everything was being shut down,food and all was getting put away,and I was thirsty and hungry when I got done people.
    What was I suppose to pack a lunch....
    I am not the one complaining about the being rushed issue...but 12 to 4 was what I thought the rules were.
    But next time I'll make sure I wake up at 4,and drive for 2 hours to shoot at 1/2 yard off stakes for a hour at 20 yards before going out.
    Maybe the 50 yard PRACTICE stake shouldn't even have been out there and removed and placed at 10.
    I don't know about other comp shooters but when a mbr or cub wins the top gun something is not quite right,is it boys and girls.
    I'll leave my mckenzie cards at home next time at my next MAC shoot too,cindy.
    If you could get any targets you wanted from ganders funds,how come there were 2 or 3 of the same targets,no BISON like on your flyer,no sheep,no hyeena,no lion,no jaguar,no gazelle,fallow deer,no javalina,should I go on...
    ????Question...
    For my first year in getting my foot in the door in tournament archery,Which I love so dearly todate.
    How come I feel like Jeffro and many others including myself where not impressed with the MAC tournament?
    I payed a total of 45 dollars to shoot in a semi-pro event that got me a Local 461 aurora water bottle,a 10 dollar off coupon to gander mountain to my next purchase of 50 dollars or more,and a 2004 archery deer hunting information sheet that is readily available when I purchase my deer tags this fall.
    Not to mention the gas to travel all over creation and the time I spent to find out what the MAC is all about.I did get food as well.
    I do this for fun,but take it to my heart and my livelyhood and look to the future to be a better archer.
    This years Mac tournament did very little in my eyes to say the least but leave me with a empty stomach.

    I was not to happy my sight was off during the shoot and I didn't shoot as well as I have been due to that fact alone.
    But,really I was wondering what jeffro feels like with his whole wad of lute he won,a tank of gas for you dude?
    Maybe even a towel,headband, or a pair of running shorts...for next years event.....
    You might want to buy some rhinehart cards......

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    I really don't believe that the answer lies in going tit-for-tat.

    I think we are forgetting here what the MAC is (a group of clubs) the MAC board merely steps in to resolve issues.

    What I would like to know is what is the proposed solution from the shooters and please keep in mind we are all here because of the love of archery. Unfortunately sometimes i think we forget that. Brenda
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    Lil' Cherokee is right. It's unfortunate that something like this has happened. Now the question is how does the MAC fix it so it doesn't happen again.
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    Default 2hr wait after 4pm

    I would say the biggest annoyance to many was the long wait after the last group walked off at 4pm and the awarding of prizes at about 6pm, especially when the food people packed up and left by 4pm.

    Personally I wouldn't mind seeing it set-up similar to the ASA and have a shotgun start w/ 4 random people to a group. That would be 120 people and I don't think that many shot this weekend. Start at 10-11am and be done by 3-4pm all in one day.

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