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    Enough of all this "Woe is me crap". Obama has won and prayers are needed to help him along his presidency. We now more than ever have to stand as Americans. Only 2 presidents have walked into snafu's like Obama is undertaking. Roosevelt took over a the start of the Great Depression. (A Democrat) and thru WW II and turned this Country into a Super Power and Abe Lincoln ( A Republican (Sorry Smokes) (Formally of the "Whig" party)) and kept the United States as united.

    We talk Democrats vs Republicans. When Bush took over from Clinton, the United States was operating in the green. Now we are operating in an all time record deficit. Since the Republicans took over we have record trade deficits. record unemployment, Wars going on in 2 countries. North Korea became a rogue nuclear power, Iran approaching nuclear Technology. Vensueala (anti American) becoming a continental leader in South America. The worse possible recession/depression since the Great Depression. Record OIL Prices with the oil companies blantantly admitting to record profits. The almost collapse of our banking system and stock markets causing a financial turmoil thru out the whole world and possibly losing Super power Status of the United States in the worlds financial organizations. An all time anti American opinion thru-out the world The weakest anti-immigration policies, Auto Mfgs. going bankrupt. Highest medical costs ever.

    We say this has happened since Democrats took over Congress. Well the Democrats never took over Congress. The House was held by the Democrats with the slimest margin virtaully making it ineffective. The Senate was dead-locked at 49/49 , even, with 2 independents( in which Lieberman voted almost exclusively along republican lines) and a Republican President. So how do we blame the Democrats.

    We talk about Taxes. Sure some of our taxes did fall. The government just borrowed money from the Worlds Banking system to finance everything. And we all know what happens when your credit over extends. Someone has to pay the bills. And now the democratic party is going to have to increase the taxes, not only to continue running but to pay off the deficit we owe the World's Banks. We talk about giving our money to the poor. Once again, during the Bush Admistration, we have added to the poor and homeless, and unemployeed at a level that was unprecedented since the Great Depression. Granted the system is flawed and needs to be revised.

    I voted McCain and lost. but I don't blame either party for our woes. I DO BLAME the Bush Admistration. I think in years to come it will overshadow others as the worst admistration ever. With the people Bush surrounded himself with,, I believe it was doomed from the start. I don't like Carl Rove, Rumsfield nor Cheney.

    I think we should unite as Americans, Pray and hope for the best. Especially during the transitioal period because this is when a Government is at it's weakest.

    I wouln't have wanted to be either canditate walking into this mess the Bush admistrations is leaving.
    And I repeat. I am neither Democrat nor Republican. I vote my own mind. But try to put the blame where it do, Including on myself.

    Don't blame the Party, Blame the Admistration.

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    I agree, maybe just a little bit. But remember, different EVENTS (9/11) happen during different presidencies. I don't think we can always judge a Presidents term by party or even outcome, we will never now how the 9/11 mess would have turned out if a Dem was in office. It could have been better or we could be worse off, we will never know for certain. Different situations lead to different actions. I agree that he is going to be our President and I will do my best to support him as our President, that doesn't mean I have to agree with decisions made.

    I get so tired of people bashing Bush, they need to learn to respect the Position even if they don't respect the person.

    I will just continue to pray that the Dems won't tax me out of my home.

    I told Brent, since he just lost his job, we will be just fine with the Dems taking over, all of YOU can now pay our way j/k

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    I am sorry but there is more than walking into a snafu or taxes here. Just plain sorry.

    Iraq may have been a mistake. Pull out before the country is half stable and it will turn back to what it was 9 years ago. Our men and women in uniform who gave their loves, would have done it for nothing. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama's liberal ways are not the views of the majority of the working class that does pay taxes. I know that this does not apply to those that fall into the 40% that don't pay. I would like to think that my taxes that I pay are going toward the good of the country. Schools, highways, defense, and building a stronger nation. Not going to some poor person that don't want to hold a job. Why should they when the government will hand it to them. They will not help themselves. They will buy a car or a TV. Wealth redistribution is not patriotic. That is socialism. Plain and simple. If you want it, go and work for. Just as every other sucessful person had to do.

    It does burn my tail to pay taxes and work for what I have. Only to fall on hard times and need some help. NOPE. I am the wrong color and I made too much money for any help. Never mind the shape that I would be in. What I had done takes away from what I could get.

    The economy was democrats all the way. They were the ones with their hand in the cookie jar. They were the ones with the books that were doctored for the American people to think that all was good. Ole boy Barney was the one telling everyone that he could see no problem. He had the books.

    I don't think it is patriotic one bit for my burden to be greater so that someone elses can be less.
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    the trade deficit has fallen recently, unemployment is half of what it was under Carter. Clinton SOLD North Korea their nuclear technology..........

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    I forgot to add that no one is looking at the fact that 94.5% of Americans are still working. All we can do is look at the negative things???? Are we to pitty the ones that bought houses that they could not afford??? What about giving a break to the people that are paying for their houses??? What about the ones that are working and doing for themselves??

    Record gas prices are something that is made up from a long time ago. Bush has called for drilling since 2000. Can't blame Bush for that one.

    Blame big oil? That is a good one. They are no different than any other company out there. They want to make money. I guess that if Dell computers posted a record profit that we would be screaming that computer prices are too high. Nobody said a word about the banker walking away with a big bonus for making his bank money untill the banking mess started. They were making record profits. That has been all over the news for the last few years. Only now has that gotten our attention.

    Nobody is screaming over a U.S senator making $167,000 a year buying a $1.4 million dollar home. Talk about making a profit. That house note would be over $8,000 a month. Dang near what they make a month.

    Wake up America. The rug is being pulled over our eyes and we are just suppoed to like it????
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    Most of the deficit is from the war...Billions a month will hurt any country!!!

    Also- Lets add Al Gore to the list...Global warming? He isnt a scientist,he is a politician,what a fruit cake!!! I think he is the not so mighty "brain" leader of the goof troop...He got way too much praise in a field he is NOT qualified to represent!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottg View Post
    I am sorry but there is more than walking into a snafu or taxes here. Just plain sorry.

    Iraq may have been a mistake. Pull out before the country is half stable and it will turn back to what it was 9 years ago. Our men and women in uniform who gave their loves, would have done it for nothing. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama's liberal ways are not the views of the majority of the working class that does pay taxes. I know that this does not apply to those that fall into the 40% that don't pay. I would like to think that my taxes that I pay are going toward the good of the country. Schools, highways, defense, and building a stronger nation. Not going to some poor person that don't want to hold a job. Why should they when the government will hand it to them. They will not help themselves. They will buy a car or a TV. Wealth redistribution is not patriotic. That is socialism. Plain and simple. If you want it, go and work for. Just as every other sucessful person had to do.

    It does burn my tail to pay taxes and work for what I have. Only to fall on hard times and need some help. NOPE. I am the wrong color and I made too much money for any help. Never mind the shape that I would be in. What I had done takes away from what I could get.

    The economy was democrats all the way. They were the ones with their hand in the cookie jar. They were the ones with the books that were doctored for the American people to think that all was good. Ole boy Barney was the one telling everyone that he could see no problem. He had the books.

    I don't think it is patriotic one bit for my burden to be greater so that someone elses can be less.
    Keep to the facts and rational arguements. I agree with most you have said, but do not fall into the trap of associating things with race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSkeeter0311 View Post
    Enough of all this "Woe is me crap". Obama has won and prayers are needed to help him along his presidency. We now more than ever have to stand as Americans.
    I'm out.

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    I'll pass! If you are looking for someone to give him a chance don't look to me. He words and actions (before running for president, not the rhetoric from the campaign trail) prove what his beliefs are, just because he was elected president doesn't mean he is any different than he was before.
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    I am remaining optomistic even though I voted for McCain...I will give him a chance...America voted,,he is president elect...I will say he needs to help middle class america and our power issues...When the middle class struggle,america struggles...

    This type of economy bail out has happened 3 other times in American history...Some say if you want to know the future ,you need to look at the past...It can be done!!!Each time we rose above and came out of it more powerful...

    He will have alot of state to state issues to deal with,we have to give him time to do so..

    I set back now and look at his Campaign...He flat out packed McCain's lunch...The truth is the truth and that is what I seen happen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbdcougar View Post
    I'll pass! If you are looking for someone to give him a chance don't look to me. He words and actions (before running for president, not the rhetoric from the campaign trail) prove what his beliefs are, just because he was elected president doesn't mean he is any different than he was before.
    True,but..
    It doesnt mean he cant change either...

    We have to give him a chance...Nothing we can but hope and pray,,well maybe Impeech LOL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnifiedFur View Post
    I am remaining optomistic even though I voted for McCain...I will give him a chance...America voted,,he is president elect...I will say he needs to help middle class america and our power issues...When the middle class struggle,america struggles...

    This type of economy bail out has happened 3 other times in American history...Some say if you want to know the future ,you need to look at the past...It can be done!!!Each time we rose above and came out of it more powerful...

    He will have alot of state to state issues to deal with,we have to give him time to do so..

    I set back now and look at his Campaign...He flat out packed McCain's lunch...The truth is the truth and that is what I seen happen...
    Let's say it will work....more than likely, even though it happened in the end of Bush's administration, Obama will be the one to recieve the credit for it in future years.

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    Not trying to get hung up on race. But when you apply for government help and race is on the application, can't help but be an issue. When a person goes for government help and race determines what income level is the cut off point. That is an issue.

    I did not make the rules. I just have to live with them. We don't have to make race an issue, our government has done a good job of that.

    Obama's race was not an issue with me, his ideas were, are and will be.

    I graduated high school with 124 fellow students. We all had the same oppertunities in life. Some choose to do something with their lives and some did not. That is not my fault, nore my responsibilty to support them.

    Doing my part is not a problem for me. Being an American and paying my taxes is part of living here. Just because I made something of myself is not a reason to punish me and raise my tax percentage rate. Taxes should be a flat rate for all. 10-15%. A person making $50,000 a year would pay $5,000 @ 10%. A person making $100,000 would pay $10,000. No problem. What use is double the work for only have the money? There is a problem somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottg View Post
    Not trying to get hung up on race. But when you apply for government help and race is on the application, can't help but be an issue. When a person goes for government help and race determines what income level is the cut off point. That is an issue.

    I did not make the rules. I just have to live with them. We don't have to make race an issue, our government has done a good job of that.

    Obama's race was not an issue with me, his ideas were, are and will be.

    I graduated high school with 124 fellow students. We all had the same oppertunities in life. Some choose to do something with their lives and some did not. That is not my fault, nore my responsibilty to support them.

    Doing my part is not a problem for me. Being an American and paying my taxes is part of living here. Just because I made something of myself is not a reason to punish me and raise my tax percentage rate. Taxes should be a flat rate for all. 10-15%. A person making $50,000 a year would pay $5,000 @ 10%. A person making $100,000 would pay $10,000. No problem. What use is double the work for only have the money? There is a problem somewhere.


    Great idea except a person only making 40.000 ayear cannot affrord to lose a 10 or 15 percentage rate as well as a person earning a 250.000 paycheck.According to your therory then a person buying a car should only pay 1 % of his annual income for it. Then the Caddillac I buy at my 40000 dollar income would be only 4000 and at the 250.000 income would be 25.000. Same logic. Remember the basics, bread butter milk etc are the same prices for all.

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    Well, for me the answer is becoming more clear. I spent the morning angry and stewing over the future of our nation, but in the back of my mind one thing kept nagging at me.

    Back in September of the year 1997 I stood before the American Flag and gave an oath to follow and support the Command and Cheif of the United States. As those days now funnels through my mind I can not recall naming President Clinton or President Bush specifically.

    Now, even though I no longer wear green, I will keep my oath to support the President of the United States, whoever he may be. I am not doing this happily, but out of obligation and possibly he will actually turn out to be what this country needed.

    I, though, will put all inabitions aside and support President Barack Hussein Obama, until such a time as he leaves office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheely View Post
    Let's say it will work....more than likely, even though it happened in the end of Bush's administration, Obama will be the one to recieve the credit for it in future years.
    Only if he makes the rite choices....We have to look at the other hand....It could get worse!!!

    This is just the beginning of the bail out...Passing one bill isnt a fix...Its just a start..

    Obama has a full plate going in and America cant afford left overs...Alot of serious issues that need addressed rite now...Same deal if McCain won,we need help...

    I totally understand what you mean,no it is not rite...It all happened at the end of his term...He cant run again...It doesnt matter which one took the seat.they have to find a way to make it work and to stay out of this in the future...They knew it was coming,we cant afford to pay for all the baby boomers to begin with..Look how many have to come out of retirement...I will stop there,I usually stay out of these,at least i try to....

    We will see ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSkeeter0311 View Post
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    Great idea except a person only making 40.000 ayear cannot affrord to lose a 10 or 15 percentage rate as well as a person earning a 250.000 paycheck.According to your therory then a person buying a car should only pay 1 % of his annual income for it. Then the Caddillac I buy at my 40000 dollar income would be only 4000 and at the 250.000 income would be 25.000. Same logic. Remember the basics, bread butter milk etc are the same prices for all.
    under current tax law, someone making $40,000 filing sngle pays $6,344 and the same person making $250,000 pays $68,251. it looks like he wants to give both people a tax cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.C. View Post
    under current tax law, someone making $40,000 filing sngle pays $6,344 and the same person making $250,000 pays $68,251. it looks like he wants to give both people a tax cut.
    good, now I dont have to type it.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottg View Post
    I forgot to add that no one is looking at the fact that 94.5% of Americans are still working. All we can do is look at the negative things???? Are we to pitty the ones that bought houses that they could not afford??? What about giving a break to the people that are paying for their houses??? What about the ones that are working and doing for themselves??

    Record gas prices are something that is made up from a long time ago. Bush has called for drilling since 2000. Can't blame Bush for that one.

    Blame big oil? That is a good one. They are no different than any other company out there. They want to make money. I guess that if Dell computers posted a record profit that we would be screaming that computer prices are too high. Nobody said a word about the banker walking away with a big bonus for making his bank money untill the banking mess started. They were making record profits. That has been all over the news for the last few years. Only now has that gotten our attention.

    Nobody is screaming over a U.S senator making $167,000 a year buying a $1.4 million dollar home. Talk about making a profit. That house note would be over $8,000 a month. Dang near what they make a month.

    Wake up America. The rug is being pulled over our eyes and we are just suppoed to like it????
    No other industry comes to mind right now that has such contol of a product that is an essential to our economy. Granted all businesses want to make hugh profits. I imagine the electric companies would love to make record profits and post $2.00+ quarterly dividends. What would the average electric bill be then? How about your water company? What would your water bill cost if they could post $2.00 quartery profits to their stock holders. Sewer bill? Highway construction. Housing? It's just that the oil companies have us by our short-hairs and know that if we don't like it they can deal with other countries. They're not dependent on this country no longer for there market nor their oil supplies. I know you're connected to the oil industry and I'm quite sure a big portion of your wealth is connected to them also. So my guess your opinion is quite bias.

    A 1.4 million dollar home is not unheard of for someone making $165.000 a year. Most by time they become Senators are wealthy anyway
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