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    It has to increase both the draw length and draw weight. Take notice that it was mounted forard of the static position. That the cables ahd to be pulled forward to attach them.

    Pull the cables forward on your own bow and see what happens. The cam over rotate a little. This changes the draw length. And as we all know you shorten the cables the weight goes up.

    For those that don't know Martin came out with it's version of a roller guard this year on some of it's Pro series bows. In their literature that actually state that it increases the bows poundage by about 5# over using a standard rod/slide configuration.
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    In the video, why don't they scale the bows before and after the install of the Turbow. They are pretty proud of the chronograph. readings. I agree with most everyone else that the draw weight has to increase during the draw. I'd be interested to see the arrow grouping, regardless.
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    Bet it would void the warranty on about ever bow made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    Bet it would void the warranty on about ever bow made.
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    I'm thinking so as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    Bet it would void the warranty on about ever bow made.
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    I agree with all of your statements in this thread.

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    The first thing that popped into my head was what my dad used to tell me, "if it seems to good to be true it probably is"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    Bet it would void the warranty on about ever bow made.
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    Speed is Energy...It has to come from somewhere.... ????

    Id have to have one in my hands to pass judgement but Im very skeptical!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I read some other posts that say it dosen't increase weight or change the draw length. If this thing is legit, they are going to sell a million of them.
    You got that , maybe 2 million!
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    combo of factors will really add up. They've admitted it could add 1.5-2 pounds max draw weight. They say it also adds 2 pounds holding weight. They haven't said anything about draw length, but I think most can understand that it would increase.

    2 pounds peak weight= 4 fps
    2 pounds higher holding weight= lowering your let off by 3%= ??
    minimum of .5" DL increase= minimum 5 fps
    cams being over rotated= ??


    Concerns of mine might be cam sync, grouping (especially cam & .5), draw stops which contact the limbs, prolonged use at altered limb deflection, prolonged use with excessive preload, set screws coming loose and safety concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdawg240 View Post
    You got that , maybe 2 million!
    They said the same thing about the opti-grab

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldeneagle View Post
    Here's what I'm seeing. First, they are putting it on forward of where the cables would be at rest. Second, the cables do not get to travel rearward on the slide like usual. Thus, when you draw, you are putting more load on the limbs. More load ='s more speed. It has to increase draw weight. No way out of it. I'd be afraid of the extra load on the limbs. You could possibly put more load than the limbs were designed for.
    Nice assessment, I totally agree w/ this.
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    Well the vid where they installed that thing on a kids/womans bow (Diamond) with 40 lb draw and 24 draw length shot at 205 fps increased to 239 fps thats a 34 fps increase. Pretty big stuff.
    I would really like to hear what the bow manufactures have to say about this little contraption.
    I think the reason they did not show any close up pics is because they are still working on patent pending which they will have just prior to their set release date in January.
    I wonder if they offer some kind of warranty that this thing wont cause any damage to your bow. Hmm.. guess we will have to wait and find out.

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    Think about this for a minit.Try to put 1 on a binary cam bow like an 07 synergy.To sync the cams on a synergy you bring the bow to full draw and when both cams touch the OVERDRAW PREVENTORS they are in sync.Now you are pulling those cables further away from the over draw preventors which will change the cam sync and play havic on the timing also increasing the risk of lock-up as the cables will be farther from the overdraw preventors.I will say you should be able to get more let-off LOL.I hope they hve good insurance.pulling the cables foward will increase the draw length,and poundage and also put extra preload on the limbs and riser and all of this is held by a set screw that is not designed in conjuction with the bow and it is aimed directly at you.Not to mention they are not even serving the cables.I hope noone gets hurt using this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trophytaker75 View Post
    Think about this for a minit.Try to put 1 on a binary cam bow like an 07 synergy.To sync the cams on a synergy you bring the bow to full draw and when both cams touch the OVERDRAW PREVENTORS they are in sync.Now you are pulling those cables further away from the over draw preventors which will change the cam sync and play havic on the timing also increasing the risk of lock-up as the cables will be farther from the overdraw preventors.I will say you should be able to get more let-off LOL.I hope they hve good insurance.pulling the cables foward will increase the draw length,and poundage and also put extra preload on the limbs and riser and all of this is held by a set screw that is not designed in conjuction with the bow and it is aimed directly at you.Not to mention they are not even serving the cables.I hope noone gets hurt using this thing.
    BUT come on it has a rubber stopper
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN View Post
    BUT come on it has a rubber stopper

    now that's funny

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    OHHHHH WELL HECK FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID AND GIVE ME 1 LOL.I bet that rubber will really help ya out LOLI really dont think it would probably cause much damage if the thing would hit you but the bow itself would prolly do some bad things if it were to come loose.
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    If it doesn't up the weight..........
    make the draw longer.........
    and throw it out of time.......

    I would pay $60 for it......... but that ain't happening

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    OK, there is a good link on one of the other sites---hunting.net---an assessment by the one and only----Len in Maryland.

    You can read it for yourself, but it makes sense. In short, with the increased rearward pressure on the cable rod it can become a virtual projectile in the event that the cable rod come loose from the bow.

    Think about this. What holds most cable rods in a bow? Most often it's a setscrew. In some bows the rod is just epoxied into the riser. What happens if, at full draw, the rod becomes dislodged. Where is it going?

    STRAIGHT BACK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfisher View Post
    OK, there is a good link on one of the other sites---hunting.net---an assessment by the one and only----Len in Maryland.

    You can read it for yourself, but it makes sense. In short, with the increased rearward pressure on the cable rod it can become a virtual projectile in the event that the cable rod come loose from the bow.

    Think about this. What holds most cable rods in a bow? Most often it's a setscrew. In some bows the rod is just epoxied into the riser. What happens if, at full draw, the rod becomes dislodged. Where is it going?

    STRAIGHT BACK.
    where is the link?

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