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    Default Always bugged me shooting bags compared to a 3d target

    Never understood this that I can group better on a 3d target than a bag target.

    Always heard the top shooters say you should sight in on a 3d target.

    Some tell me they hit the bag targets different from the 3d target.

    Whats your thoughts?

    Here 30yrds groups on both. Love my spdyer web bag target, awesome bag target.
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    Actually you have the same floating pattern on both....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhtr3d View Post
    Actually you have the same floating pattern on both....
    Four arrows dead center of 14 ring, 14 ring is smaller than the bag circle. Pretty happy with that group.

    Those on the bag target are never as good as the 3d target.
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    Thoses on the bag target are not acceptable for me at 30yrds. I feel I should hit that larger blue circle evertime.
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    your looking at the spot...instead of shooting through the spot...... i know it sounds profound but try it ....let your subconsence mind let the arrow go through the spot like shooting the 3d target....

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    Same here brother, I actually hate sighting in on a bag, for me it just seems to cause over aiming and forced shots. On animal target, I tend to shoot relaxed and cut it loose as soon as I am settled in the center of the 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutTheLoop View Post
    Same here brother, I actually hate sighting in on a bag, for me it just seems to cause over aiming and forced shots. On animal target, I tend to shoot relaxed and cut it loose as soon as I am settled in the center of the 10.
    From many top pros. It may be very well relaxation and comfort on the 3d target. Im also trying alens for the first time and seeing movement is something that I need to learn to allow to floot as the dot is moving.
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    It's all in your head... turn your brain off...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVI View Post
    It's all in your head... turn your brain off...
    Some very good archers say they hit the bags targets different than a 3d target. Most likely how we sight up on each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    Some very good archers say they hit the bags targets different than a 3d target. Most likely how we sight up on each.
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    No Dan... it is in your head... aiming is aiming... whether it is at the center of a large dot, a 14 ring or a glint of light on a blank target... I wonder how you would handle a 122cm target at 90 meters...

    The problem for most (even them very good shooters) is the degree of trust and expectation they feel when shooting a bag vs. a stuffed animal... and that's in the head..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVI View Post
    It's all in your head... turn your brain off...

    I agree, somewhat.

    Should turn off the negative part of you brain, the one which whispers in your ear when you are unsure or a little shaky on yardage etc. That voice at full draw telling you,

    "you sure you got enough yards?...are you? , better hold higher, no wait... a little lower, that last miss was high, but wait, you didn't have the yards then either...are you sure your peep didn't move this morning when you snagged your bow pulling out of the case? How long are you gonna aim, are you gonna release yet ? Maybe you should let down, but then again maybe this is the one time, when you actually have it all correct. are you?, do you?, will you? NOW YANK IT!!!"


    Sometimes the body will do whatever the mind tells it to, getting those 2 in synch is the tough part.

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    How did you know my shot sequence.........Man and they say its all in our head.... Can not be with me I think through every shot just as cut the loop.....LOL.......

    That why it is such a fun game cause when all is going right you just say put pin on spot release........

    And Dan in Metropolis last week I was hitting bags great and went to 3d targets and shootings three inches left. Probaly in the head yet I sighted in on the targets it was a good weekend. Who knows what will happen next time.....

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    Default Ill have to disagree with you Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by JAVI View Post
    No Dan... it is in your head... aiming is aiming... whether it is at the center of a large dot, a 14 ring or a glint of light on a blank target... I wonder how you would handle a 122cm target at 90 meters...

    The problem for most (even them very good shooters) is the degree of trust and expectation they feel when shooting a bag vs. a stuffed animal... and that's in the head..
    To many really good legend 3d shooters have told me this for years. Burly Hall and others. Maybe why many of these shooters are not the best spot shooters. Not 100% sure why but it seems to be true for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    To many really good legend 3d shooters have told me this for years. Burly Hall and others. Maybe why many of these shooters are not the best spot shooters. Not 100% sure why but it seems to be true for me.
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    Yes Dan I've heard those same shooters say that as well, but I've personally witnessed many others who are just as high in the pro ranks shoot dead center in the bags and never re-sight for the animals... so if it only affects some of the shooters then it can't be a phenomenon of physics can it...

    Dan, there is no magical aspect to aiming that allows one person to hold well on a foam target and not hold well on a bag… It is entirely mental just as most of this sport is…. Once you learn that it is the process and not the result that makes a shot; the rest is in your head…

    If you take the Tournament Archer magazine there is an article in the Jan-Feb issue that everyone who has trouble aiming should read… called You Can Only Shoot as Good as You can Aim….
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVI View Post
    Yes Dan I've heard those same shooters say that as well, but I've personally witnessed many others who are just as high in the pro ranks shoot dead center in the bags and never re-sight for the animals... so if it only affects some of the shooters then it can't be a phenomenon of physics can it...

    Dan, there is no magical aspect to aiming that allows one person to hold well on a foam target and not hold well on a bag… It is entirely mental just as most of this sport is…. Once you learn that it is the process and not the result that makes a shot; the rest is in your head…

    If you take the Tournament Archer magazine there is an article in the Jan-Feb issue that everyone who has trouble aiming should read… called You Can Only Shoot as Good as You can Aim….
    I read the article. I have seen five good archers all hit right side of the black dot in field before, Dean included of course he hit left side being left handed. Seen it in 3d as well. When the first three hit right, I aim to the left side of the target. Aiming is a process hard to figure at times and what makes the mind aim where it does at times. Im working on it!
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    Lightbulb I'm going to have to jump in here I guess

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    I read the article. I have seen five good archers all hit right side of the black dot in field before, Dean included of course he hit left side being left handed. Seen it in 3d as well. When the first three hit right, I aim to the left side of the target. Aiming is a process hard to figure at times and what makes the mind aim where it does at times. Im working on it!
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    Dan, I can remember that when I got my game in order (usually started to peak middle of June) that my windage stayed the same. I can remember when I wouldn't move it a single click for a month at a time. Some move it in windy conditions but I'm a gap shooter and I just aim off.
    Javi is right on and giving it straight to you, aiming at something is just that....aiming. When you aim at a 3-d target and you can't see anything but a figure what you are doing is lining up an impact point where you think it should be. Do that on a spot, doesn't matter what color or size.....same principal. Love ya big guy but as Griv says, you're think'in to much. Shut down the head game and shoot some arrows.
    Oh yeah, the reason we shoot left/right is our form is not consistent........it isn't the bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XQuest View Post
    Dan, I can remember that when I got my game in order (usually started to peak middle of June) that my windage stayed the same. I can remember when I wouldn't move it a single click for a month at a time. Some move it in windy conditions but I'm a gap shooter and I just aim off.
    Javi is right on and giving it straight to you, aiming at something is just that....aiming. When you aim at a 3-d target and you can't see anything but a figure what you are doing is lining up an impact point where you think it should be. Do that on a spot, doesn't matter what color or size.....same principal. Love ya big guy but as Griv says, you're think'in to much. Shut down the head game and shoot some arrows.
    Oh yeah, the reason we shoot left/right is our form is not consistent........it isn't the bow.
    I'm defiantly sure it form plus things like I'm shooting a lens along with shooting less poundage than I ever have shot. I'm shooting allot of arrows trying to figure it out. Dint feel like I'm over thinking it. I'm trying to find the zone! As you have always said being in the zone is the place to be.
    Thanks to you and Javi. I always appreciate 100% honesty and try to convey that as well. Might just be the pressure I feel trying to compete in the pro class. I have had a decent 3d year. Just frustrating when you feel so close and things like aches and pains and health are certainly factors that contribute to all this shooting I do! Next weekend I have two state championships and both require shooting against some really good shooters. Just trying to get it together and shoot well.
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    I will throw in my 2 sense. I have a varying case of target panic but mainly on shooting dots. When I am shooting at a 3d target or even the picture of an animal I do a lot better. I think it has something to do with pressure since when I am in the hunting mode (3D) my mind is telling me that even if I miss the heart by just a little bit I will still get a good shot on the lungs for a good kill. If I am shooting at dots then a miss of the dot is failure where close is unacctible, thus the pressure of a perfect shot. When I shoot at a 3D target I strive to place all the arrows in the heart but a miss just isn't as stressful and I believe I shoot more relaxed thus I get a better group. Make sense?

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    I always hated shooting bag targets too. I shoot better at animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehairlessone! View Post
    I always hated shooting bag targets too. I shoot better at animals.

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    It something one has to get over to become good. I do think its confindence and in ones comfort zone. Indoor spots, Im out of my comfort zone just like many.
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    Default Today, worked on aiming hard with smooth follow through.

    My first groups are always my best. 30yrd groups. Then I have tendacy to fill the back shoulder and release seems to get punched more rather than the smooth pull.

    In 3d your not ask to shoot alot of shots without rest in between. Just accucute 20 good shots at ASA.
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