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    Default Up Down Misses

    What is the primary cause of up down misses? Shooting a 42 yards (I know, totally random distance) I am can stack 2 arrows together, then the next two will be 4" higher, then the next two will be 4" lower

    Everything is tight on the bow, well tuned, etc.; I feel like I am make good crisp shots...

    Any suggestions or reasons for the up down misses?
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    Default Falling out of your peep

    Not staying with your eye in your peep right all all the time.

    Other words keeping your scope centered perfect.

    Many of us fight it often and know exactly what we did when we did it.

    I feel 80% of my up and down shots were not staying in my peep correctly.

    Having that peep perfect is crucial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    Not staying with your eye in your peep right all all the time.

    Other words keeping your scope centered perfect.

    Many of us fight it often and know exactly what we did when we did it.

    I feel 80% of my up and down shots were not staying in my peep correctly.

    Having that peep perfect is crucial.
    Any tricks or tips to stay in the peep? I can see all the way around the ring, what else do I need to check?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMax27 View Post
    Any tricks or tips to stay in the peep? I can see all the way around the ring, what else do I need to check?

    I'm a newbie, but I found that when I really, really focused on the target sometimes my peep strayed a little down on the scope if I was not taking notice of the peep/sight alignment, then I'd shoot a low arrow and know what happened immediately - just as DB stated, I found that getting a peep that exactly fits my scope ring helped a lot, any misalignment now looks completely wrong! if I can't realign and steady then I let down, but.....I'm still a newbie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RageBlood View Post
    I'm a newbie, but I found that when I really, really focused on the target sometimes my peep strayed a little down on the scope if I was not taking notice of the peep/sight alignment, then I'd shoot a low arrow and know what happened immediately - just as DB stated, I found that getting a peep that exactly fits my scope ring helped a lot, any misalignment now looks completely wrong! if I can't realign and steady then I let down, but.....I'm still a newbie.

    Makes sense to me
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    I don't like a kisser button. But this is a case where something which comes in contact with the face around the nose could be very helpful. If the head tilts the contact with the face would change and corrections could be made.

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    For me i find using the smallest peep i can helps alot. Larger peep leaves more room for error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutchies View Post
    For me i find using the smallest peep i can helps alot. Larger peep leaves more room for error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMax27 View Post
    Any tricks or tips to stay in the peep? I can see all the way around the ring, what else do I need to check?
    Make your peep fit the housing perfect. I feel the orange mask help me alot around the husing. Make sure your head and anchor points stay right intack untell you make the shot and follow through. Practice alot because its something even the best deal with from time to time.
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    Things to look for...

    Peep height... is it correct so that your eye falls to the center without searching

    Anchor/bow shoulder.. if you occasionally let the bow shoulder come up it will make your shot high..

    dropping/raising arm to get on target instead of bending at the waist.

    weak shot... coming off the wall... high shot
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    For me the up / down misses come from a failure to maintain focus entirely on the target. If my focus flickers from the front end of the shot to the back end, I always get a bad shot, usually high left or low right.

    Another cause of bad shots that took me a while to overcome is failure to follow through after the release. This led to anticipation and quitting a little too quick on the shot. For me these were usually lefts & rights, but it could be different for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim p View Post
    I don't like a kisser button. But this is a case where something which comes in contact with the face around the nose could be very helpful. If the head tilts the contact with the face would change and corrections could be made.
    This is something I am gonna try: either a tied nockset for my nose, or as a kisser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hutchies View Post
    For me i find using the smallest peep i can helps alot. Larger peep leaves more room for error.
    Brian, OKOutlaw and DB, I think I am using the smallest peep that my sight will allow and still see all of the orange ringe. There is maybe a 1/16" ring around the ring.

    I am using a 3/16" peep, think maybe a 5/32" would work better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVI View Post
    Things to look for...

    Peep height... is it correct so that your eye falls to the center without searching

    I think my peep height is good. I will have Randy D or DTJAR check it out this weekend

    Anchor/bow shoulder.. if you occasionally let the bow shoulder come up it will make your shot high..

    Is there a way to tell when you're shoulder is coming w/o someone watching? How does it feel?

    dropping/raising arm to get on target instead of bending at the waist.

    I do the "arm raise" thing. Somewhat of a holdover from target panic days. I need to bend into the target.

    weak shot... coming off the wall... high shot

    I'm not counting the weak shots, I usually know when its a weak one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen View Post
    For me the up / down misses come from a failure to maintain focus entirely on the target. If my focus flickers from the front end of the shot to the back end, I always get a bad shot, usually high left or low right.

    Another cause of bad shots that took me a while to overcome is failure to follow through after the release. This led to anticipation and quitting a little too quick on the shot. For me these were usually lefts & rights, but it could be different for you.
    Good points. If I don't have good follow through, the shot goes arry. At the longer distances I am trying to see where it hits before the arrow gets there.
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    THANKS for all the suggestions!!! Tonight I will try to apply them all and see what happens.

    One thing I did notice last night was I need to stop while I am still making solid clean shots. If I go until I am tired, it seems the practice session is counter productive.

    Also, I am gonna try to get a video of me shooting, so ya'll can pick me apart
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    I'm using a 1/32 peep with a 2 inch hogg it. Works great for me. 3/16 is still rather large

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMax27 View Post
    This is something I am gonna try: either a tied nockset for my nose, or as a kisser.
    I find that instead of a kisser, just serve a large "knot" tightly to the string. It's easier to move than a kisser, and you'll feel it just as well.
    When I shoot low, I find that I'm creeping on the string and not keeping my head upright.
    Just my $.02 worth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutchies View Post
    I'm using a 1/32 peep with a 2 inch hogg it. Works great for me. 3/16 is still rather large
    Seriously??? I am shooting a Copper John Tourney Master, I think the inside of the guard is 2 1/4" Is the Hogg It 2" to the outside of the guard. I was using a 1/8", but just couldn't see the whole alignment ring.
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    It all depends on how far from your eye the peep is... the closer the peep the smaller the hole you can see through..
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