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    Quote Originally Posted by pse 24 View Post
    I can prove God exist. Your breathing right? TADA!!!
    Ummmm...I fail to see your point. Are you saying that I'm God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomT View Post
    The Constitution states that the government "will not establish any state religion," and guarantees the "right of religious freedom." That means ALL religions, and also the freedom from religion if you wish.
    The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were drafted and ratified by wealthy white land and slave owners, that didn't recgonize the "rights" of blacks, Indians, women, or non-property owning adults.
    I would suggest that you review the history of these documents and how they were drafted, and you'll see the controversy over "In God We Trust," by the majority of "freethinkers" making up the "forefathers..."
    I must be reading the different version. Regardless whether you like it or not TOmT Most ameriicans are Christians. Now there are those who want to change this country from those views. Wont happen in my lifetime but there trying. Arizona making a stand and Im all for them. Lets take this country back for Americans and US Citizens. If your here Illegal you need to return to your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomT View Post
    The Constitution states that the government "will not establish any state religion," and guarantees the "right of religious freedom." That means ALL religions, and also the freedom from religion if you wish.
    The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were drafted and ratified by wealthy white land and slave owners, that didn't recgonize the "rights" of blacks, Indians, women, or non-property owning adults.
    I would suggest that you review the history of these documents and how they were drafted, and you'll see the controversy over "In God We Trust," by the majority of "freethinkers" making up the "forefathers..."
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
    -- First Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America

    By having "In God We Trust" on money does not indicate a law made by congress establishing a religion, especially since todays monitary system is no longer a function of the federal government, but one of private banking and commerce system.

    To be free to exercise the religion of your choice (because that is what is said; "congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof") it makes logical sence that you must be part of a religion. It clearly doesn't say freedom from religion, because whose rights would be more important? The person practicing free exercise of their religion or the person who is offended by it because they have the right to be free from it? Whose rights would have to yield because both couldn't have their way. If your saying that being an athiest is a religion, that is an oxymoron of the highest order.
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    Lets take this country back for Americans and US Citizens. If your here Illegal you need to return to your country.
    DB, ever think about the Native American's

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    DB, ever think about the Native American's
    I live in Oklahoma. Have more Indians here than Ohio will ever see. Live right in the heart of Cherokee Nation and five Civilized tribes. Great people with allot of pride. We have enough Indian Casinos now that they may just buy back the state. Heck we got blonde hair and blue eyed indians. Wish I had an indian card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomT View Post
    Ummmm...I fail to see your point. Are you saying that I'm God?
    Why would you think that God blessing you with the ability to breath would make you God??

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    Quote Originally Posted by pred8er View Post
    -- First Amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America

    By having "In God We Trust" on money does not indicate a law made by congress establishing a religion, especially since todays monitary system is no longer a function of the federal government, but one of private banking and commerce system.

    To be free to exercise the religion of your choice (because that is what is said; "congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof") it makes logical sence that you must be part of a religion. It clearly doesn't say freedom from religion, because whose rights would be more important? The person practicing free exercise of their religion or the person who is offended by it because they have the right to be free from it? Whose rights would have to yield because both couldn't have their way. If your saying that being an athiest is a religion, that is an oxymoron of the highest order.
    I'm not offended by people practicing their religion, I'm all for it. However, NOBODY will tell me to believe in something that I don't wish to, and the Declaration and Constitution clearly state this.
    That's what freedom is all about, reguardless of YOUR interpretation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pse 24 View Post
    Why would you think that God blessing you with the ability to breath would make you God??
    The mechanism of birth "blessed" me with breath, as the mechanism of intellect allows us to communicate as we are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Boone View Post
    I must be reading the different version. Regardless whether you like it or not TOmT Most ameriicans are Christians. Now there are those who want to change this country from those views. Wont happen in my lifetime but there trying. Arizona making a stand and Im all for them. Lets take this country back for Americans and US Citizens. If your here Illegal you need to return to your country.

    DB
    Yes, if you're illegal, you need to get your papers in order and get a green card, or whatever.
    However, what is going on in Arizona is pure Fascism, like 1930's Germany or 1950's South Africa, and will be struck down in SCOUS shortly.
    If we had NG and Army troops here patroling the border instead of fighting for Israel in Iraq and Afghanistan, we wouldn't have this problem...

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    I live in Oklahoma. Have more Indians here than Ohio will ever see.
    Yes I live in Ohio now, was born and raised in New Mexico.

    Wish I had an indian card.

    Guess I could make a copy of my wifes and send it to you


    Heck we got blonde hair and blue eyed indians.

    My point exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim p. View Post


    Yes I live in Ohio now, was born and raised in New Mexico.




    Guess I could make a copy of my wifes and send it to you





    My point exactly
    My survey crews used to go to this little hole-in-the-wall Mexcan food restaurant for lunch on paydays and pig out on really, good, cheap food.
    The owner used to come by and sit with us and drink a beer and BS while we ate.
    He got really successful and opened several more, but kept the old one open which we continued to go to regularly. After he got successful, he never sat at our table again, so one of the Mexicans on our crew asked his kid who worked there, why? He kinda looked around and said, "dad's not a Mexican anymore, he's found out that he's an Aztec."
    We LOAO at that, a Mexican with money, is NOW an Aztec...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomT View Post
    Yes, if you're illegal, you need to get your papers in order and get a green card, or whatever.
    However, what is going on in Arizona is pure Fascism, like 1930's Germany or 1950's South Africa, and will be struck down in SCOUS shortly.
    If we had NG and Army troops here patroling the border instead of fighting for Israel in Iraq and Afghanistan, we wouldn't have this problem...
    So there trying to send the Illegals back to there country. There nothing wrong with that. My state starting to propose a law exactly like it.

    So cops should not profile. It happens everyday and should. Part of being a cop. If your a honest citizen you have nothing to be afriad of.

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    At least Arizona is trying to stop the illegals. More states need to follow suit.

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    Let me see if I got this right.....

    - IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.


    - IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.


    - IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.


    - IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.


    - IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.


    - IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.


    - IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.


    - IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET................................
    1 - A JOB,

    2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
    3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
    4 - WELFARE,
    5 - FOOD STAMPS,
    6 - CREDIT CARDS,
    7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
    8 - FREE EDUCATION,
    9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
    10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON ,
    11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE,
    12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT.



    I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE

    I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION...
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    6 - CREDIT CARDS,

    Had to laugh when I read this one. I don't think the credit card people
    care who the H... gets a card - they just want the money

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim p. View Post
    DB, ever think about the Native American's
    I would like to point out that the "native" americians are immigrents too. See the theory of the Land Bridge. Thus, we are all africian in origin...and are all immigrents.

    Oh and as far as proving/disproving the existance of God. Science can not prove anything. A properly worded hypothosis will only allow you to disprove a particular theory. Also, many scientists have set out to disprove the existance of God. All failed. Thus the scientifically accepted, peer reviewed theory at this time is that God exists.

    Now for Pope Benedict. Every male his age was forcibly enrolled in the Hitler Youth. He never had direct control over what happened to the priests. That is a Diocessen issue. The church followed the commonly accepted belief (pushed by the left I might add) at that time that pediphiles could be "rehabilitated." Please don't defame this holy man because you are an athiest. The Catholic Church and religions in general have done more good in this world than Athiesm. And yes I am including the crusades. Much more good counterballances that. What good does Aethism have to counter the Genocides in Russia and elsewhere?

    Hey DB I noted that he did not refute your argument. Wish I had beat you too it though. I would also like to point out that if you are travelling in Mexico you must always have your papers on you to prove that you are not there illegally, else you go to prison and get deported. Isn't that what they are doing in Arizona. Just thought that that I should point out the hipocracy of the Mexican government issuing a travel warning to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomT View Post
    I'm not offended by people practicing their religion, I'm all for it. However, NOBODY will tell me to believe in something that I don't wish to, and the Declaration and Constitution clearly state this.
    That's what freedom is all about, reguardless of YOUR interpretation...
    It's not an interpretation, it's plain english. Look up the definition of each word if you like.
    That look on my face is not concern, its shock at your utter stupidity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomT View Post
    Yes, if you're illegal, you need to get your papers in order and get a green card, or whatever.
    However, what is going on in Arizona is pure Fascism, like 1930's Germany or 1950's South Africa, and will be struck down in SCOUS shortly.
    If we had NG and Army troops here patroling the border instead of fighting for Israel in Iraq and Afghanistan, we wouldn't have this problem...
    Yep, only Nazi's require proof of papers.

    Like the ones at the town hall meetings who wouldn't let people in if they couldn't prove they lived in that voting district.......show your papers!

    Like the ones in the white house who had the couple that crashed the party and didn't show their papers arrested........show your papers!

    Like the ones who looked into Joe the plummer's papers after he challanged the anointed one......show your papers!

    seems like the only place you don't need your papers is at a democrate voting booth, or an ACORN office. Hell, you even need them at the DMV to get your drivers license (more papers).
    That look on my face is not concern, its shock at your utter stupidity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pred8er View Post
    Yep, only Nazi's require proof of papers.

    Like the ones at the town hall meetings who wouldn't let people in if they couldn't prove they lived in that voting district.......show your papers!

    Like the ones in the white house who had the couple that crashed the party and didn't show their papers arrested........show your papers!

    Like the ones who looked into Joe the plummer's papers after he challanged the anointed one......show your papers!

    seems like the only place you don't need your papers is at a democrate voting booth, or an ACORN office. Hell, you even need them at the DMV to get your drivers license (more papers).
    Going somewhere to get someting, or entering a party/courthouse is NOT the same as walking down the street, being stopped, questioned, and asked to produce proof of your identity or citizenship. That's Fascism, plain and simple. I guess we could make the illegals sew a Mexican flag on their clothes like the Nazis required Jews to have a yellow Star of David on their clothes.
    Gee, seems like real good idea, doesn't it? Then we could arrest them all andn throw'em into camps and make'em work for free. That'd work, wouldn't it? And when their numbers became too great, and their country of origin wouldn't take'em back, we could execute'em. There, problem solved...Adolph....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pred8er View Post
    It's not an interpretation, it's plain english. Look up the definition of each word if you like.
    Your statement, "it makes logical sense that you belong to a religion," is specious and laughable in the extreme.
    You people need to learn the history behind the drafting of the Declaration and the Constitution as to "freedom of religion," and freedom...period.
    As most all wars are fought over religion and/or resources, it would make logical sense to have "freedom" from one of the most divisive, destructive, and inhumane delusions that man has ever concieved....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Many Hobbies View Post
    I would like to point out that the "native" americians are immigrents too. See the theory of the Land Bridge. Thus, we are all africian in origin...and are all immigrents.

    Oh and as far as proving/disproving the existance of God. Science can not prove anything. A properly worded hypothosis will only allow you to disprove a particular theory. Also, many scientists have set out to disprove the existance of God. All failed. Thus the scientifically accepted, peer reviewed theory at this time is that God exists.

    Now for Pope Benedict. Every male his age was forcibly enrolled in the Hitler Youth. He never had direct control over what happened to the priests. That is a Diocessen issue. The church followed the commonly accepted belief (pushed by the left I might add) at that time that pediphiles could be "rehabilitated." Please don't defame this holy man because you are an athiest. The Catholic Church and religions in general have done more good in this world than Athiesm. And yes I am including the crusades. Much more good counterballances that. What good does Aethism have to counter the Genocides in Russia and elsewhere?

    Hey DB I noted that he did not refute your argument. Wish I had beat you too it though. I would also like to point out that if you are travelling in Mexico you must always have your papers on you to prove that you are not there illegally, else you go to prison and get deported. Isn't that what they are doing in Arizona. Just thought that that I should point out the hipocracy of the Mexican government issuing a travel warning to the US.

    People annoy me.
    I've seen NO "peer reviewed" scientific evidence of the existence or non-existence of ANY deity. I've never even seen ANY announcement of "studies" as to that thesis. So, please provide links to this "science."
    Yessir, the Vatican did a LOT to stop the Holocaust. Hell, they even helped Nazis get away post-WWII. AThe evidence is there, if you got the balls to look.
    Yessir, religion brought us the Crusades, the Dark Ages, Salem Witch Trials, dozens of wars in Europe over which religion was "right," and the present conflicts in the ME.
    And don't forget the Biblical endorsment of slavery of blacks, as they are "inferior."
    It's time to get religion out of governance, because that's just what we need, more psalm-singing-sanctimonious-SOB's to stroke our ignorance...

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