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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Hornet View Post
    Spine tuning....not sure how you do that. But I buy arrows that I know have a consistent spine.
    Not exactly sure about that one myself but I do know that all of the arrows I have bought have two weak spots approx 180* apart.

    My guess would be that the arrows weak or strong spine area is rotated so that they are all the same with respect to each other and some axis on the bow (horizontal/vertical).

    Just a guess.

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    onced tuned in the machine they shoot in any bow of the same weight . but not all bows will shoot in the machine depending on there handles .when you guys finish your group tunning what size group do you think you have achieved on a 12 arrow batch .most of the ones i do when finished have less then a 1/2" point to point group at 23 yards ( i can shoot the machine up to 37 yards were its mounted at ,sometimes it takes 1 1/2 hour to do 12 .with a majority of them cutting the same hole .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Hornet View Post
    None of that matters....the bow will be tuned to the arrow. He wouldn't be tuning your bow. The release doesn't matter either....you can shoot 50 different releases your bow and arrow tune isn't changing even though your POI may. You just need to move your sight.

    When your tuning your arrows in a Hooter Shooter to hit the same hole all your doing is rotating your nocks to achieve this. If it won't hit then you change the nock or pin. If it still won't then you weed out the arrow. I find that shooting "better" arrows and or building them correctly eliminates the need to weed them out. I can't tell you the last time I had an arrow that I couldn't get to hit with the rest of the shafts....even when I have 2+ doz for field.
    I guess I'm thinking of "arrow tuning" as being more than just aligning the nocks with the spine. Except for really top archers, it seems it would be faster & easier to do this on a spine tester. Obviously not as precise since it doesn't take the dynamic spine into account, but good enough for most of us.

    Upnorth, most of us can't compare groups we get from manual group tuning to your HS groups. this is because we don't shoot as good as a HS (except maybe for Jessie and a very few of others). We may be achieving nock & spine alignment equal to the HS, but our form keeps us from honestly reporting 1/2" groups.

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    heres some before and after . these are maxima 3d selects . theres less then 1 grain difference according to the scale . picture one is with arrows that it took me a couple hours to build .and shot once each at 23 yards . the second picture is after tuning them .if you guys can get that same group,group tuning thats in my second picture every time shooting off hand more power to you .im sticking with the machine dont have to question any arrow wether its me or the arrow i know if i miss its me and i can adjust me .
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    Quote Originally Posted by upnorth View Post
    onced tuned in the machine they shoot in any bow of the same weight . but not all bows will shoot in the machine depending on there handles .when you guys finish your group tunning what size group do you think you have achieved on a 12 arrow batch .most of the ones i do when finished have less then a 1/2" point to point group at 23 yards ( i can shoot the machine up to 37 yards were its mounted at ,sometimes it takes 1 1/2 hour to do 12 .with a majority of them cutting the same hole .
    Once the nocks are turned they should shoot the same from ANY bow regardless of the weight. They are still going to be coming out of the bow the same.....Vegas was won by Terry Ragesdale one year shooting arrows that looked like they were doing flips coming out of his bow. But they were all doing the same flip so that's all that mattered :wink:

    23 yds is pretty close though....I am not the best shot on the planet but a little better then avg. The other night while shooting a 5 spot round. 2 of my spots pretty much had 1 hole in the X until the last few ends....the other 3 had a little bigger hole and not in the center of the X but I also need to replace those nocks. But getting same hole or close to it by hand....if you can shoot good enough to hold that type of group is easy up close which I consider 23 yds to be. Shooting field my arrows are usually close enough to pull at least 3 of them at once under 30 yds. The ones not in the group aren't there because they weren't weren't tuned

    Here are some pics from last year when I was group tuning at 60...a couple of the broken nocks came at 40...but it isn't hard to get them all smoking down the pipe with a little time. It usually doesn't take me a full hour to get them all turned

    My misses are usually left by the way.... but once you get them shooting the same hole or in the group you have to be able to get them back when you bust a nock and or a pin
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    not questioning your arrows or shooting . but it would be interesting to see if you were in the area to take your tuned arrows and run them through the machine and see if they get one hole .

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    Quote Originally Posted by upnorth View Post
    not questioning your arrows or shooting . but it would be interesting to see if you were in the area to take your tuned arrows and run them through the machine and see if they get one hole .
    oh I know your not.....but really for me doing that unless it's for my indoor arrows is a waste of time. Why..... because I shoot field....I go through WAY too many nocks and pins to have to slap everything back in the machine all the time. Those broken nocks in the pic were from less then an hour of shooting. Granted I don't go through that many every time....but I do have to change at least 3-4 every time I shoot just about. So I have to be able to get them back in the group....which I can do.

    Those are Nano's....trust me they will shoot the same hole you don't break nocks at 60 yds repeatedly with out being able to put them in the same hole at 20 yds from a shooting machine. Braden G is the #1 in the World...after we got his set up they were shooting better then his old X10s....we are talking $3-400 shafts....if they don't go in the same hole it's because they are the size of a needle. I have had almost 4 doz Nanos since I started shooting them....I have NEVER had a flier shaft or one that I couldn't get into the group. If it wouldn't group with the others it was a bent pin.
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    just said it would be interesting . nothing about your shooting capabilities.but what ever .

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    Quote Originally Posted by upnorth View Post
    just said it would be interesting . nothing about your shooting capabilities.but what ever .
    I understand that....but I'm not really talking about my ability....your reading into my comments. What I mean is that there is no way that they won't do it. If they don't go into the EXACT same hole repeatedly it would be because the shafts are so small you may get a wallowed out type hole. My shafts are .203" in diameter....a Maxima is .290" that doesn't seem like a big difference but it is HUGE...with no point I think I can fit 3 of my arrows in one shaft a CXL is .350"....I can get those and 2314s in the same hole by hand and so can many others....they just do it every time

    Nano's are one of the two best shafts on the planet....X10s and Nano's have been shot from a Hooter Shooter by TONS of people....and they go in the same hole. You just haven't gotten to play with them yet.


    but think about it....do you really think you could get a "cheap" or avg hunting shaft or X7 or other fat carbon to go in the same hole and not the best shafts ever made? It's unlikely to no happen

    No I won't be in Wisc anytime soon to try it though....although I may be in Wisc next week it won't be for archery purposes

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