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    Quote Originally Posted by alaz View Post
    I agree about not knowing how a bow works for you till you have it for some time.
    Just asking to see if I am not considering some options. I prefer 36" and longer ata's. My DL is 28.5" and string angle is very important too me (I am not into steep angles). I am 6' with fairly long arms, and shoot a hinge if that matters. I had to drive 3.5hrs to try VE, AE. Both were nice...I like the VE quite a bit better, but the spirals were not for me. I have shot a Supra and I own a Supra with L6 cams.
    My short list includes a Supra ME, Dominator and Specialist. The Specialist felt great, stiffer on the draw than the Supra, but not spiral stiff. The bow felt very nice overall, with a very crisp break at the release (similar to spirals in that regard). I know this is stupid, but the limb finish potential issues just annoys me.

    The one bow I still would like to try is the Prime Centroid. The obvious issue with that bow is the ATA. I owned a vendetta XL (35" ata) and that bow was more than fine with regard to string angle. But the cams are larger than the Centroid.

    There are some bows I would like to try and see in person (Martin Sceptor V, Maitland Zeus/ Session, outside interest in a Moxie), but probably wont happen.

    I personally prefer Hybrids and dual cam/ binaries (whatever I can call them without getting in trouble). Not interested in single cams. I love the Hoyt VE and Bowtech Specialist grips, and PSE is also a very good grip for me.

    Like I said, just asking to see if there is another bow out there I am not considering...
    I hear ya....and I agree. I will start by saying....let's be honest here. Your not Dave Cousins. He can shoot the Prime well because he shoots EVERYTHING well. But that is not a bow I would recommend to anyone looking for what your looking for with what you like in a bow. I can shoot the crap out of a Carbon Element but I sure wouldn't buy one for target purposes. You have a longer draw....and like you said you preferred the VE over the AE...the main reason for that is ATA comfort.

    If you like the VE you have options....spirals aren't the only cam that comes on that bow. You can still get them with the GTX cam. If you like the Specialist and some other harder drawing cams....you would like spirals IF they are setup correctly. I have drawn and shot plenty of peoples bows with spirals on them that I wouldn't shoot and can understand why people don't like them. But I have also been shooting them since they came out in 2002 or so. Spirals suck when you don't have them setup correctly. I would say that probably 65% of the spiral setups I have come across in the past few years since they got popular outside of the select few are setup incorrectly.

    I like the Specialist. But not enough to buy one over a Hoyt. But they are sleepers for sure. I was very impressed with the one I tried for sure.

    The Scepter V....I wouldn't touch shoot it if you gave me one for free...and they paid me.

    I am VERY impressed with the Maitland bows....I just haven't gotten my hands on one yet. But I have been interested in maybe picking one up. I have a couple buddies that are shooting them and have been for awhile.....so I may have one in hand before long.

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    It is true...I am not Cousins, but I am trying
    And you are right...I know in my heart that the Prime Centroid is too short for my tastes. I just like the direction they are going in and the bow intrigues me. If that bow was offered in 37"...maybe next year especially considering it is garnering attention in the target arena.

    I shot the spirals at 55% LO at 53#. I shot the GTX cams at 60# (maxed) at 65% LO.

    I prefered the GTX...simply b/c of the LO. The bow draws nice, very little valley. You're going to bash me for this..but I was turned off by the amount of cam lean. This bow was off the shelf at Lancaster. The problem is that I am not proficient at tuning a bow, and have zero familiarity with spirals. The Specialist is just more straight forward to tune (for me). I like the efforts to address lean. I am picky (I have OCD).
    I have been shooting my Supra confidently. I am in no rush and love my bow, just looking for one more bow. As you mentioned the similarity of the Dominator to the Supra makes it a safe and comfortable choice. I get a little more forgiveness (spec wise) and an overall platform with which I am comfortable.

    I would like to hear your thoughts regarding the lean I observed on the VE+. That same day I saw a Hoyt shooter there with a VE+ (spirals) and his was quite lean free, but he really tinkered with it. So much so that he turned one of the top yoke pegs on the axle the opposite direction in an effort to bring the cable closer to the cam.
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    I knew people would think the Prime is getting real consideration in the target market. It ain't happening folks....well it is but only by the people that will shoot anything that a top shooter shoots just because they shoot it. Its the same way with everything. Those same guys all bought and sold VEs when they came out when Reo and a few others won with them. Dave is shooting decent scores with that bow. But if you really watch him shoot it....he is struggling shooting that thing. He doesn't shoot it as well as he did the shorter Hoyts they had him shooting.

    The VE and spirals will give you the exact same letoff as one with GTX cams will. They are adjustable. You just have to move the peg. I shot my spirals on 65% letoff....just needs to be in the right peg hole. There are either 3 or 4 on the cam depending on which size you have.

    the cam lean you observed was due to the bow not being setup.....if you can't set it up then the shop you buy it from better know how to set the bow up or your screwed no matter what you shoot I have had at least 10 bows with spirals on them and none of them had cam lean issues....neither have the 2 Katera XLs I shoot now or the Hoyts I had with C2s. They just need to be setup correctly to begin with. I still use a floating yoke but I do not use the short legs that most do. My yokes legs are never shorter then 10" each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Hornet View Post
    Either shoot what you shoot best or buy what you want to be like everyone or be different.....

    Either one of the last to scenarios puts you in the group that those that shoot well in the crowd don't pay attention to when it matters
    As it seems I'm the only person here who shoots a Mathews z7 Mag and isn't afraid to admit it here!!!!Why are Hoyt shooters so up themselves?????
    I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Westy View Post
    As it seems I'm the only person here who shoots a Mathews z7 Mag and isn't afraid to admit it here!!!!Why are Hoyt shooters so up themselves?????
    Thought you weren't worried about what others thought about what you shot....

    I had NO CLUE what you shot....nor did I care. You could shoot a Hoyt and even if I knew it the response I gave would have been the same based on the comment you made.

    Why would you be afraid to admit what you shoot???? It's your bow....

    Hoyt shooters are up on their gear because it is good gear.....PERIOD. Shooters that are up on themselves are usually some what good...unless they are simply smoke blowers. But my comment had zero to do with specific equipment or being up on ones self.

    But fact of the matter is.....I have friends that make comments like you made....and know others that will make the same comment at shoots. Fact is those that shoot well aren't worried or don't think about those shooters when it comes time to start putting arrows in the target like I said.

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    Hey hornet not wanting to get into it,But what did Matt Mcpherson do except produce a very nice well balanced Bow????? It seems everytime i mention the M word on this site 3 stupid A$$holes want to tell me how great Hoyt is and what a crock of **** Mathews are?????I've shot both and enjoyed both just whats there problem????These comments are not directed at you in anyway whats so ever it's just what i've noticed here on this site!!!!!
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    Couldn't tell you....I know I am kind of disappointed with them as of late as they have 700 bows under 34"

    But as far as the bows go....they are good arse bows. I have had my share of their bows...actually the only bows I have ever owned other then Hoyt were Mathews and Martin. I had a Q2, Q2XL, 3 A7s, Apex 8 and a Prestige. I love the C4 just don't like it better then what I can get from Hoyt.

    Heck I am buddies with one of Mathews top 3 Pros....and friends with a few other of their top Pros. They make good stuff....but for me they are kind of spinning their wheels in the sand. The idiots your talking about are the same idiots I wish didn't shoot what I shot

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    If you liked the Specialist when you shot it, don't be afraid to go for that bow. I don't think you will be disappointed. Worst case if the limbs do flake (I think they addressed the finish for 2012) Bowtech will replace them or another fix is to cover them with a sharpie and clear nail polish. This bow is just a sweet shooter.
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    Right now Im shooting my 2011 Elite Tour for spots and this same bow will be my 3-D bow. Just slide in another CBE bar, take out the clarifier peep and replace with open peep aprature, grab my 3-D arrows and Im good to go.
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    Alot of good choices, find a bow 35+ ATA that draws the way you like it. currently im shooting a pair of Elite XLR's for spots and 3d,Im 16 with a 27"dl im getting a whopping 260 fps shooting fatboy 500s and im shooting very good, currently im shooting a indoor 3d money shoot with a alot of very good 3d shooters..im sitting tied for 3rd in qaulifiers so the speed isnt holding me back much.

    Spots Im stuck in the Mid 50s on Xs...its all me! someday i will get some mental game!

    good luck with your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12-RING SHOOTER View Post
    Alot of good choices, find a bow 35+ ATA that draws the way you like it. currently im shooting a pair of Elite XLR's for spots and 3d,Im 16 with a 27"dl im getting a whopping 260 fps shooting fatboy 500s and im shooting very good, currently im shooting a indoor 3d money shoot with a alot of very good 3d shooters..im sitting tied for 3rd in qaulifiers so the speed isnt holding me back much.

    Spots Im stuck in the Mid 50s on Xs...its all me! someday i will get some mental game!

    good luck with your decision.
    How many lbs do you shoot and what's your arrow weight? Reason being is my bow isn't much faster then yours and my draw is only 3/4" longer....I get almost 290fps from my outdoor setup on 57.5 lbs with a 318 grain arrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westy View Post
    Hey hornet not wanting to get into it,But what did Matt Mcpherson do except produce a very nice well balanced Bow????? It seems everytime i mention the M word on this site 3 stupid A$$holes want to tell me how great Hoyt is and what a crock of **** Mathews are?????I've shot both and enjoyed both just whats there problem????These comments are not directed at you in anyway whats so ever it's just what i've noticed here on this site!!!!!


    I think there are more like 5 of us stupid a$$hole.........but who's counting.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Hornet View Post
    How many lbs do you shoot and what's your arrow weight? Reason being is my bow isn't much faster then yours and my draw is only 3/4" longer....I get almost 290fps from my outdoor setup on 57.5 lbs with a 318 grain arrow.
    60# arrows 319 gr, XLR with cudas just isnt fast, but it shoots! my VXL with a 305 gr lightspeed hits 280 to 282.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12-RING SHOOTER View Post
    60# arrows 319 gr, XLR with cudas just isnt fast, but it shoots! my VXL with a 305 gr lightspeed hits 280 to 282.

    That bow is plenty fast enough that you should be getting more then 260fps from it. The IBO rating on my bow is a whopping 5fps more then yours....

    My draw is longer then yours by 3/4" but that would only be about a 6-8fps difference at most....you shoot 2.5-3lbs more then I do so that washes out my longer draw. Our arrow weight is the same basically.....but my speed is 28fps more????

    Something is off....I have a few buddies that shoot that bow. Its not a barn burner but it's not that slow and I was shocked that your only getting 260 from it. Heck when I shot 3D a lot I shot a Pro Tec that had an IBO of 310fps. With a 320 grain arrow on 58lbs at 27.5-27.75" draw I was still over 280fps. Ya gotta be able to get more then 260 from that XLR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gator eye View Post
    I think there are more like 5 of us stupid a$$hole.........but who's counting

    It feels like 500 when you all start picking on me!!!!! Leave me and Britney alone!!!! you nasty Homo Hoyt Boys
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    Did you cut all your hair off........AGAIN?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gator eye View Post
    Did you cut all your hair off........AGAIN?

    Afraid So old Mate and K-Fed won't talk to me either!!!!!!Think I'll get a new tatt to cheer me up !!!!!Anyone seen Slippy????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Hornet View Post
    That bow is plenty fast enough that you should be getting more then 260fps from it. The IBO rating on my bow is a whopping 5fps more then yours....

    My draw is longer then yours by 3/4" but that would only be about a 6-8fps difference at most....you shoot 2.5-3lbs more then I do so that washes out my longer draw. Our arrow weight is the same basically.....but my speed is 28fps more????

    Something is off....I have a few buddies that shoot that bow. Its not a barn burner but it's not that slow and I was shocked that your only getting 260 from it. Heck when I shot 3D a lot I shot a Pro Tec that had an IBO of 310fps. With a 320 grain arrow on 58lbs at 27.5-27.75" draw I was still over 280fps. Ya gotta be able to get more then 260 from that XLR
    Hornet, thats my kid. the bow is in spec, cams timed perfect. we go to a very good shop and tuner, hes actually getting around 262 263, wish it was a bit faster, shop owner shot a XLR for ASA and was right at 280 with a 29.5 dl. would 2.5 inchs of dl get almost 20 fps? i know IBO is 316 or 318 so the speed seems close.

    Really not to concerned the between him and the bow they do the job, he would make the compound comedian look like a sally lol!

    Probably ordering a Dominator 3d after this summer 3d season is done.
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