Thread: What do ya know about strings?
01-18-2013, 07:27 PM #1
What do ya know about strings?
Info on strings
The most common thing is care.
a. inspect and clean and wax the string.
inspect and replace if any defects or broken strands.
wax and burnish, burnish the wax into the string this is but taking a leather strap rubbing it up and down the string to create heat and melt it into the strands.
b. types of string material.
8125g is used for speed it has creep and stretch
452x is general purpose no stretch and no creep
Trophy is general and hunting no stretch and no creep
(creep is when the fibers pull apart. stretch is when all the strands become equal in length.Thus a pre-stretched string has no peep rotation)
c. Strings don't last forever
general shooting replace every 2 to 3 years
target shooters every 1 to 2 years
speed nocks for the extra speed
string silencers slows the string down
e. Center serving should allow the nock to fit snugly, not tight. The arrow should fall of the string when hanging and the bow is tapped.
Remember a well maintained string will help your bow preform excellent.
More questions try out this link: http://www.bcyfibers.com/FAQs.php
01-18-2013, 07:29 PM #2
When ordering a custom string! Put a little thought into your order.
1. Speed or not (slower by more quiet)?
If you order a string the material makes a difference. But the one thing people forget, how many strands you have in your string makes a difference.
For instance: if I ordered a string made of BCY trophy Material. This material is able to be built with 20 - 24 strands. With less strands lets say 20, I will pick up some speed from the string. Reason less strands reduces friction and less friction the string can cut the air faster.
*standard strands on any string are usually the maximum strands.
2. So ask questions before you order. I would think of what purpose I am using the bow for (hunting, target, both) and decide on the string material and the strand count.
3.Older bows, some are not designed for speed. This is because they are not as high tech. But you can get a few more feet per second out of them. If you change a few things. Like the string material and the strand count.
* also the lengths of the servings were a lot longer than needed. Remeasure and shorten them, and let your string maker know the new measurements.
01-18-2013, 07:30 PM #3
Center servings: here is where a lot of archer's miss the shot. Before I started building strings I thought the center serving had to be real tight. Almost to the point if you turned the arrow the string will move with it. Wrong! The arrow nock should fit on snugly, without force. Clip on clip off gently.
*In most cases when you get a manufactured string the center serving is too tight. After a few shots say 1000. The center serving wears and a sweet spot forms so the arrow nock fits perfectly. Problem! it thins the center serving. Which in turn lets the center serving shift or premature breakage.
Fixes: a tighter center serving, a smaller diameter center serving, a different arrow nock, or a light file with an emery board
01-18-2013, 08:26 PM #4
So witch wax should i use on 452 ? ive got some with a silicone in it that a pro shop told me to use,it ................
01-18-2013, 08:33 PM #5
with Weatherblock Technology
Super silicone formula; perfect for 452X and all other bowstrings. Scent free, water repellant and abrasion resistant. Excellent string penetration and protection. Capped twist dispenser; applicator included.
01-19-2013, 07:11 AM #6
Great post hutch i'm loving what I'm seeing here!!!!Tell me Alpha Elite 3D comp bow what would you recomend for a Aussie to use???He has been using Winners Choice but the last one was nothing but pure Crap!!!! Can't controll the peep rotation and it's only a few months old ??? Very Disapointed Mate!!!!I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
01-19-2013, 08:28 AM #7
I use BCY trophy. I have not been able to beat it. Here is how BCY describes trophy
452X blended with GORETM Performance Fiber to give increased durability, total stability, less fraying, less noise, good speed and dampened vibration. Available in 45 colors.
Recommended strands: 20-24 for compounds
01-19-2013, 10:23 AM #8
Good basic info on strings
I will add a little also....string wax....The best I have used is Scorpion Venom. I flat out love the stuff. I have tried a lot of stuff in the past 15+ years...and this stuff is awesome.
I love 452X...have used it for years. It is stable as you want...good speed as I have never had an issue getting the correct speeds from my bows. Even when using a heavier string. But...it doesn't look pretty as long as I would like. I generally shoot the Natural color so the fuzz doesn't show nearly as bad.
Trophy is pretty much 452X without as much fuzz. But some don't like to build with it. Most shooters that like 452X like it....but the builders that I know that don't like it...feel that way because of how it lays up. I have shot it but never built with it.
8125....I won't touch it. It's good stuff. But with all the super hot temps I get in the summer....and the with the strings I have had built with it for myself and customers. It never really stops moving.
Now I get to my FAVORITE string material....or at least what I am having turn into my FAVORITE.
8190 is great folks......it is the perfect material IMO. I just started using it in the beginning of Dec with the set that I built for me. I have nearly 2000 shots on this set now. Yes 2000 shots since I got the bow setup on Dec 12th. those are documented shots as I wanted to truly test the material and see how it is holding up...plus for my own training purposes :wink: Not to mention a few hundred more undocumented shots as I work on the setup or just want to shoot 10 arrows here or there
This string and cable set has NOT budged....not at all. I have put it in the press here or there just for the purposes of setting the bow up to fit me and playing with things as far as getting the feel I want.
There is ZERO fuzz or signs of wear so far.....NONE
No peep movement....well not before I started adding a 1/2 twist here and there...1/2 on the top and then 1/2 out of the bottom and then another 1/2 later....I also have redone the center serving. So it's not sitting PERFECT straight back like it was. But its damn close....and it doesn't wiggle around while being drawn.
The material is faster then 452X....the recommended number of strands is 24 strands. I built mine with 28 strands since I shoot a TON of arrows and wanted a more stable string set. But I also wanted a firmer wall and a little less holding weight so a fatter strings give me that. But even still the bow is faster then it is with 452X.
But one of my favorite things about the material is how it feels at the shot. 8190 gives the bow a softer feel at the shot then it has with 452X...it also seems to be a little quieter.
So for me.....8190 is the PERFECT combination of 8125 and 452X. I won't be shooting 452X again anytime soon.
01-19-2013, 09:46 PM #9
Here's what I think !
I think that this thread is open to many different opinions , as even " yours truly " wants to know what everyone out there thinks of their strings !
As no doubt I'll be in the market for new strings soon !
01-20-2013, 06:47 PM #10
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I've had the same results from 8190 as BH. I still have some 452x & will use it up, but won't buy any more.
What end serving material are you guys having the most success with?
I used 3D for years, but have recently gone to .014 white halo with a clarifier. I like the way it looks.
01-20-2013, 07:52 PM #11
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01-21-2013, 11:53 PM #13
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Cheaper is good.
You make a good point BH. When I run out of Halo, I'll take another look at 3D.
Hutch, in spectra fishing line, the .007 is 15# & .014 is 50#. I worried that the .007 wouldn't hold up. What is your experience with it?
01-22-2013, 06:10 AM #14
Allen, I still use .014 halo. But talking with a lot of other string makers they are having great success with .007 halo on cams. They say its a better fit and tracks a lot better.
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01-22-2013, 10:50 PM #19
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Hope this helps,
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