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    Default Mathews 2004 speed issues?

    I own a outback for hunting,and a ovation for 3d/target,I am now maxed out at 68 lbs on the outback,and 66.5 lbs on the ovation.
    Now I know the axle to axle is right,and the timing is right,and the brace is close,there are no questions whether or not it's right...
    I am about ready to snap,feel like driving to wisconsin and throw this ovation through a window of the manufacturers plant.
    I have heard not from a couple of people,but from every Ovation owner that there not getting 70 lbs.at full tilt.
    I got a new limbs,and now today,they might send me some more new ones or something?!?
    This may not be true for somebody who pulls one out of the box,but not even 6 months,come on....
    The lx was sporting 71 all the way to the treestand last year.the sq2 I owned for 3 years was lingering at 70 when I sold it.
    I'm not into tweeeking the crap out of my bows,I want them to do and say what it is suppose to say and do.
    I also noticed that the clearance tolerance on all mathews really isn't to sweet but short as well.Todays new fletchings blazers and quickspins are running around 5/8",probably undoubtably the best vanes to hit the archery market.If I got fatboys or speed23,or another great fatshaft as I do own,and want to try shooting some of these wonderfull vanes through mathews with instead of duravanes,I can forget about it???????,welcome to the left tear world.
    I have never ever in my intire life been more discusted with mathews,and almost 10 years is about enough for me.I really hope 2005 isn't like 2004 for mathews.
    I also am not one to bash.This is the way that it is.
    I owned enough of them and loved to shoot almost all my bows,I just don't know what to buy now.
    Maybe someone from mathews is doing some feedback in there product research after this years ovation, man.I am looking for solid information here.Not a bunch of hipe,and surely not any trouble with anyone.Clear.

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    They are not timed right. If they came from the factory and were suppose to be 70lbs bows... then they are suppose to be 70lb bows. I have been having the same problem with my LX until I threw that crappy zebra string in the garbage and bought one that would not strecth. I am not pulling your chain either buddy. I have been fighting this for awhile now.. Go and get the bow timed from someone who knows what they are doing and get them to mark the cam with a marker. When you take it back home I bet you that those marks will move after about 200 shots. Get a new string and buss cable and this problem will go away. When you lose poundage the buss cable is the one that is strecthing.
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    Default It's timed perfectly

    Timing isn't the issue,like I said it's all where it is suppose to be.There's a brand new winners choice on it,do you suppose they know what there doing?Replaced it with one I made,the x-coat is hard to beat on it because of the vicious hard cam eats them up.
    I called mathews this morning and I was shocked about what the technition told me.
    He said that the ata doesn't really matter that I need to aquire the right brace height,and the timing,the limbs can be replaced,but he claims that every bow is different,and that the approximate ata is 40.
    I have heard alot of bows that the brace height can fluctuate but I Never Ever heard this one.
    Just get the brace height right,and twist the cable atleast four times or so till I get the timing right and don't worry about the ata.
    I know not one person so far that owns a Ovation who is getting 70 lbs with a 40" ATA.If there is ONE,you let me know....
    Maybe bj,the only thing I know that I can't get is 300F.P.S.Never had the problem with the lx.I know only one person who does.

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    You need to listen to what the people are telling you at Mathews. The bow is not timed because if it was, you would be getting 70lbs. Thats all there is to it..
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    Default Reading Writing And Not Adding Up?

    I really don't know what your ATA says ON the LX,but maybe if it says 35 and your getting 70 lbs fine,It should be close shouldn't it? SO,let's just say the ata of your LX is 34,maybe you might not care but,some people like myself who takes archery quite seriously especially when it comes down to the machines I wheel around,does.
    I do know how to set up a bow better than my dealer does.I can say that and even the administrator of this website can varify that.
    I don't find it within myself to say approxemately my arrows weigh 335 or so.
    Or,I don't figure that my broadheads spin perty good?!?They shoot fine at 20 yards,and there 4 inches left at 50.
    Thats fine,I'll just aim left a little,no sorry...
    When I bought my 4th mathews bow for target(OVATION),I expected a 40 inch ATA.It's sporting 66 lbs at 40 inches AXLE TO AXLE...
    If I wanted a 38 inch bow I would have bought a safari with 80 lb limbs.Ha.
    I'm sure that my solution 3 would need a new spring or two.
    I need some ovation owners advice,already been the owner of a lx.ha.
    I suppose the fatboys should be decked out with blazers or quickspins?SURE WOULD BE NICE.AYE CHRIS?
    YOU CAN FORGET EVEN TRYIN'IT.People.Unless you can't do the math there either.1/2 the shaft diameter+5/8=WHAT?
    Hitting a mathews cable.
    Last edited by glenny; 07-19-2004 at 10:20 PM.

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    Default speed question

    Your dead wrong if you think you can get 70lbs out of a Ovation and still keep it in the specs that are advertised.You dont own one if you think it just needs to be timed.You are right on the fact of Zebra strings being part of the problem,but you cant get 70lbs out of a Ovation and have 40" axle to axle.You can get it by twisting your cable more than reccomended by winners choice or any other quality string maker.Mathews missed the boat on the spec sheet thinking they could make it look better than it is.Dont get me wrong the bow shoots great,but i didnt get what was advertised.By the way i do know how to set up a bow !!!!

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    Glenny I am removing myself from this forum, because I see already that the moderators are gonna tolerate a$$holes like yourself, "who thinks they know everything" The specs may be wrong on the bow, but I know what the hell I was talking about...
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    bjcrawfo-

    don't let one guys opinions run you off. There a lot of other people on here that need the help and advise you can offer. The more opinions we have, the better we will become. Hope you don't leave. Jeff

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    Default Don't get it.

    I really think you can't understand where I am coming from,bjcrafo....there is no quarrel here until the asshole comment.
    I am not right sometimes about alot of archery issues especially new ones,I am a smartass and know more than most people when it comes to what I own.
    You were the one smiting that you claimed the bow was out of time and that I should take it to someone who knew what they were doing.
    As for being off the topic, this thread was started by ME and your advice was irrelevent to being helpfull one bit.
    IF I owned a archeryshop,and I was a bowdealer,only but if I was,would I even care less about your significance on this forum?Who do I have to be for somepeople to give me some advice? I really don't care if your a proshooter or someone who just got there first bow a lx 2 weeks ago,I have the same respect for you either way,because I don't know you and who you are.How can anyone if you get fiesty and leave this forum.
    There is much to learn from everyone,and tips,advice,and experience in archery comes from guys like myself and jeffro and redflame and whoever else puts there replys to help out here.This is not the way to start or finish here on this forum.I would tell you this much.
    So don't leave,hang around and learn something because I am not done shooting my bows, are you?
    Sometimes I don't choose to be clearer in my english and my advice,I'm definetly not a perfect shooter or writer.
    I can only try........and be here to do my best to leave this topic to be quite the issue for me and many other mathews shooters,whether you like it or not.
    I am presently a archer who cares about shooting my own ovation for target,and my outback for hunting.
    This Forum so far has no discripency on what your shooting,and I got sick of other forums who do nothing but bash other bow shooters equipment.If I shoot archery equipment,I am excepted.
    Just don't bring a knife to a gunfight.......

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    Glenny, not trying to be a wiswe arse, but being as you know so much about bows why did you buy this bow in the first place without checking it to make sure it would reach 70lbs?

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    Your talking 2 to 4 pounds... what does this add up to in speed and energy. 5 to 6 feet per second?

    As for the bow being slow... I advise you to stay away from those fat boys... I tried a dozen and they do not seem to store the energy and drop very quickly. I would recommend the Carbon Express CXLs. They shoot much flatter than the fatboys.

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    Default Strings.

    Whe I got th bow I had the original zebra on there.I make my own strings,and decided to make one out of 452x,when I measured the original off the bow it was 1 1/2" short,which was kinda a shock to me,but I measured my freinds and his was 1" short.
    I didn't care really just made it what the bow says it was suppose to be.
    The thing got chewed up by the cam pretty bad even with camease and camlock on it,they call it a hard cam for a reason.
    I was gonna buy just the x-coat cable,but went with the whole winners choice string,and You know they know what there doing,it's held up pretty damn good actually there isn't any seperation at all,that must be a bath they put it in or something.
    anyways,I spent about a hour going back and forth with this new sureloc press my freind bought and ended up with39and a strong 1/4.
    making a appointment to go visit a merlin dealer here, I just have been a mathews shooter so long.I don't know,what do you think?You shoot a protec,don't you?

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    Glenny-
    I to make my own strings and cables. I make them for several guys in the area also. Most of the bows are Hoyts. When it comes to being anal about things, I can be. The one thing I have found though, when putting new strings and cables on, I care more about the feel of the bow rather than being at specs. What I mean is, I like the bow bow to hold a certain way. If I loose some A to A or brace height, I don't worry. I have 2 Ultra tecs w/ xt 3000 limbs and niether one is at what Hoyt says. I set them to the poundage I want ,time them ,and then do my set up on them.
    The best move you made was getting away from zebra twist stings, they never seem to stop moving. I also use to shoot Mathews, they still make a great bow. I just didn't care for the direction they were heading with there line. I am going to PM you with my number. If you want to talk about this rather than trying to type, then call me. Jeff

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    when i got my ovation the dealer said that mathews had a problem with the limbs. If you got a 70 pound bow and it won't pull 70 pounds they would send you new limbs, and the zebra strings will stretch alot.

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    i have had my outback for about 6 months and have had no variation in the poundage not being what its supposed to be, i started at 50 and i cranked it to 55, dad cranked his down all the way and he is pulling 60 exactally, but thats just my 2 cents, most of what you all are talkin bout isnt makeing a lot of sense to me.
    Here's my setup Mathews Outback, Alpine Soft-Loc 5 arrow Quiver, Impact Solo-site, NAP Quicktune 2000 RG Arrow rest, Vibracheck stabilizer, Sims Ultra Limb Savers, Scott Mongoose NCS Release. Shooting Easton Axis Arrows (400's)


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    Default Understanding the dealers technician

    I beleive that the whole Ata ordeal with the mathews bows doesn't make sense to atleast more than half of us.I know things are quite secretive to specs and how things are made but JESUS,I should know what MY... bow is suppose to be set at,and so should they,but were talking 3/4 of a inch almost here off.
    When he said that the braceheight had to be right and the timing right and whatever the Ata is ,is what it is...
    I about couldn't think strait for a few minutes,And it still doesn't register if you want to know the truth.
    I've seen bows braceheight fluctuate on specs before but 3/4 of a inch on ATA,never...
    My Lx,SQ2,held 70,outback holds 70 but that says approximate ATA and braceheight as well on the spec sheet.
    I had a new limb put on already before,now I'm putting 2 news on and selling it,EVEN though it shoots great,I won a tounament in feild with it.
    I don't need 70 pounds to shoot,but,I have lost a little confidence with the machine,and if anyone could give me the answers,you think it would be no doubt,it would be the dealers technician.
    Any gurus out there want to get in on the void before I blow another grand?
    My partners reads 39 5/8,so what is it?
    Anyone else know more than some of the people I have been talking to,please be my guest....the posts I have received are inquirative,yet informative.
    This post was by no means diriving to put mathews bows to be off on there specs,or there service.There is proof of that here but,I don't know everything about mathews bows I guess,even though I have been shooting them for 8 years now.
    I might make senior member when this post gets replied to.Or I might be shooting a mathews that has a forty ata.
    Last edited by glenny; 07-28-2004 at 08:12 PM.

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    Angry You want some cheese to go with all that whine

    Glenny,
    sounds to me like you should be out shooting more and inside on your arse less.

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    Default I see we like to have fun here.

    Yanking out old threads,and delibrately doodling with the past?I got a question for ya.
    Are you gonna use the same half used bottle of tinks 69 you saved for this years rut?
    I am not whining anymore, since about feb.I got a Bowtech Constitution,
    shot 3d's,feild,and spots with it.I went to 3 national ASA events and alot of other local shoots aaand ya know what?,my bow still is reading the original specs when I first bought it... and for some reason?.
    I also purchased a Old Glory for hunting season this year,It is shooting oooh,pretty good,I wish I would have got it sooner for some 3d's I did shoot at,but.I got it for some deer that you hang on the wall,do you know what that means?
    The specs on that one is somehow mysteriously correct,huh,I wonder what your says?
    Anytime you want to get off your glutamus,you come see me,I can send you home with some kleenex and a empty wallet if ya want.
    You just give me a Time, I will make sure I can get you a day pass....what facility are you located at again?

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    Default Need Help

    Hello, I'm new to this sight and getting back into archery. After reading this post I was wondering if I could get you (Glenny) to help me. I'm new to the area and live in Belvidere, IL. and I used to shoot Mathews but now because of your post on Mathews bow issues I'm not sure that I want to buy a Mathews. As a matter of fact I'm sure that I don't . I'm looking to get back into shooting 3-Ds and hunting and would like to find someone that knows his "stuff" and you sound like the one that I need to talk to. How long have you been shooting competitive archery? Would you be interested in coaching me? I would like to get to the level of being able to work on my equipment and shooting that you are at now. How much would you charge me for your services. Please let me know, I'm looking forward to meeting you and learning more about archery.
    Joe

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    All I can say is HUNH? I have alot to learn but it keeps sounding like I need to stick with Hoyt or Darton!

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