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Old 04-08-2012, 12:17 AM   #1
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Tried to paper tune my 2012 element yesterday and it's a no go??????Tears to the left,that is the point is to the right and the nocks to the left !!!!Tried everything and still a no Go,changed arrow spin from 350-400,changed tip weight and the thing just won't budge????QAD HDX full to the left plus spacer for the Hoyt and still a no go????Might put the rest fork on the extreme left setting for the hoyt will this help?????
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I don't know but it might be the rest. Did you check for any kind of cam lean on top and bottom cam? That might be it.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:18 AM   #3
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first off westy, give me all the info with youre set up.

draw weight
arrows weight/spine/length
draw length
check cam timing
i would check the cam lean first by putting it in a bow press relaxed and put a straight edge on the sides of the cams and make sure the amount of space between the straight edge and the string is the same amount on both sides. if it isnt then you need to put twist's in the yoke to compensate for the amount of cam lean you have. the qad rests i have fooled around with have been very finicky to tune. start off by relaxing the down cable and putting the activation cord of youre rest in the cable but dont tie it in. now take it out of the press and draw it back, when you get the bow to full draw the activation cord should be close to being timed. all you need to do is make sure when you get to full draw is make sure the marks on the thumb wheel are lined up. then when thats done you can tie the cord into the cable. this should get you a very close reference to where the cord should be timed at. i like the vaportrail limb driver rest cause there's none of this timing issues i have to deal with. hope this helps my friend.

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Old 04-08-2012, 02:13 PM   #4
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first off westy, give me all the info with youre set up.

draw weight
arrows weight/spine/length
draw length
check cam timing
i would check the cam lean first by putting it in a bow press relaxed and put a straight edge on the sides of the cams and make sure the amount of space between the straight edge and the string is the same amount on both sides. if it isnt then you need to put twist's in the yoke to compensate for the amount of cam lean you have. the qad rests i have fooled around with have been very finicky to tune. start off by relaxing the down cable and putting the activation cord of youre rest in the cable but dont tie it in. now take it out of the press and draw it back, when you get the bow to full draw the activation cord should be close to being timed. all you need to do is make sure when you get to full draw is make sure the marks on the thumb wheel are lined up. then when thats done you can tie the cord into the cable. this should get you a very close reference to where the cord should be timed at. i like the vaportrail limb driver rest cause there's none of this timing issues i have to deal with. hope this helps my friend.

Good luck
Thanks guys I will start with the cams and work my way out !!!!From what I've read so far if it were the cams were out of time my tears would be up and down not horizontal like I'm getting R-L but I'm going to work on this and get it sorted out yet!!!Happy Easter and thanks for he heads up Guys will check out that vapor trail thanks Wilco

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Thanks guys I will start with the cams and work my way out !!!!From what I've read so far if it were the cams were out of time my tears would be up and down not horizontal like I'm getting R-L but I'm going to work on this and get it sorted out yet!!!Happy Easter and thanks for he heads up Guys will check out that vapor trail thanks Wilco

Cheers Westy
oh i promise if you do then you will be buying one. for me, it has to be the easiest rest to tune and set up that there is. here is a link to the video and some more info on this rest.

http://www.vaportrailarchery.com/arrow%20rests/
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oh i promise if you do then you will be buying one. for me, it has to be the easiest rest to tune and set up that there is. here is a link to the video and some more info on this rest.

http://www.vaportrailarchery.com/arrow%20rests/
Thanks for that Wil;co looks like a nice neat setup here!!!!!
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first off westy, give me all the info with youre set up.

draw weight
arrows weight/spine/length
draw length
check cam timing
i would check the cam lean first by putting it in a bow press relaxed and put a straight edge on the sides of the cams and make sure the amount of space between the straight edge and the string is the same amount on both sides. if it isnt then you need to put twist's in the yoke to compensate for the amount of cam lean you have. the qad rests i have fooled around with have been very finicky to tune. start off by relaxing the down cable and putting the activation cord of youre rest in the cable but dont tie it in. now take it out of the press and draw it back, when you get the bow to full draw the activation cord should be close to being timed. all you need to do is make sure when you get to full draw is make sure the marks on the thumb wheel are lined up. then when thats done you can tie the cord into the cable. this should get you a very close reference to where the cord should be timed at. i like the vaportrail limb driver rest cause there's none of this timing issues i have to deal with. hope this helps my friend.

Good luck
Yes, be sure to check for cam lean. I purchased a BowTech AirRaid about 2 years ago and couldn't get a clean punch through paper for the life of me. However, the harness was not a "split-type" but a "u-shaped" style that did not permit anyone to compensate for any type of limb torque by twisting one side or the other. I ended up shipping it back to the manufacturer to see what they could do with it. In the end, I had to pick out a new bow (excellent customer service, by the way).

FYI, my tear was also (right-handed bow) right-to-left. Meaning my fletching entered the paper to the left of the tip. I could introduce a tail high or a tail low by adjusting the arrow rest, but nothing I did improved the tail left tear.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
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Everyone here in Oz with any ounce of knowlage in this area has said paper tune is for the birds and most new hoyt bows won't give you a perfect tear at 3 yards as the arrow has to come around the riser is this correct????????
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Everyone here in Oz with any ounce of knowlage in this area has said paper tune is for the birds and most new hoyt bows won't give you a perfect tear at 3 yards as the arrow has to come around the riser is this correct????????
westy, what i do is i will stand 6 to 8 feet away from the paper rack and get a good hole. and yes any bow that is right will punch a good hole through paper. then when i get a good tear then i will do the walk back tune method. then when that is done i guarantee the rest is perfect.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:34 AM   #10
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Everyone here in Oz with any ounce of knowlage in this area has said paper tune is for the birds and most new hoyt bows won't give you a perfect tear at 3 yards as the arrow has to come around the riser is this correct????????
Well you can add those people to the list of shooters without knowledge also....

I do not paper tune....but only because I don't need to. I can count on one hand the # of arrows I have shot through paper in the past 3 years with a target HOYT.....and they have always been either a bullet hole or a perfect nock high left tear that I like.

But you should have NO PROBLEM paper tuning any Hoyt....you need to twist your yoke to get the tear cleaned up....and or take off those goofy grips that come on the Hoyts. Shoot off the riser and put some tennis grip tape over it. Pull it as tight as you can get it. I just go down the handle with one wrap.
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