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Old 08-27-2008, 01:02 PM   #41
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and i agree with you, its up to the resposible hunters to not do it, and truth betold i think 90% of them are the bowhunters. the other 10% is from the orange army.
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Old 08-27-2008, 01:05 PM   #42
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the sad fact about all that is people dont care. they will still buy it and use it. the CO's wont do anything about it because they are so few and far between. the state cant afford to pay them. in my area we used to have alot of them. in the past 10 years i havent even see one in the field. there all at the deer check stations.
I usually see a CO on opening day in area I hunt in area 452 and then not again. They come through and check campsites for permits and see if anyone has anything hanging (deer, keep it clean).

I can't imagion how many CO's it would take to monitor the Huron National Forest. I followed the rules, so I haven't had any reason to worry.
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Old 08-27-2008, 01:40 PM   #43
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and i agree with you, its up to the resposible hunters to not do it, and truth betold i think 90% of them are the bowhunters. the other 10% is from the orange army.
See im not in agreence with you on that one. The vast majority of bowhunter I know are anti bait. But the majority of the gun hunters i know do use it. Most of the guys I know and hunt with are serious hunters and put in there time in the woods, and have no need for bait. While the gun hunters especially the guys I know who go north thats all the do is hunt feeders
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Old 08-27-2008, 01:43 PM   #44
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I think they could stop the sale next year. But I don't think some of these farmers can just plow their fields under. I imagion someone would have to pay for that and it most likely would be the taxpayers. Most of the bait has already been purchased on contracts, I would think law suits will be following this decision from the Agricultural and Business community.

JDawg you may just need to plant your hunter a food plot in front of his stand and a couple Apple Trees.
We have late beans and clover planted around his stand(and in other spots). It may work but with 250 acres of oats and beans on the farm it's tuff to draw deer into any foodplot. They walked past everything I planted last year to go to the oats(my turnips rotted in the ground,they never nibbled on them and they were beatiful . We will see...I was in my local Gander today and they are starting to ship all their bait related items to other stores out of Michigan. Trophy rocks, deer cane, Cmere deer etc etc...We tried fruit trees 5 years ago. We bought around 150 seedlings and planted them in the spring. The deer destroyed them in a month,every single one
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:27 PM   #45
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See im not in agreence with you on that one. The vast majority of bowhunter I know are anti bait. But the majority of the gun hunters i know do use it. Most of the guys I know and hunt with are serious hunters and put in there time in the woods, and have no need for bait. While the gun hunters especially the guys I know who go north thats all the do is hunt feeders

maybe i put that the wrong way. i was trying to say that the resposible hunters (as in do whats right & by the law) were 90% bowhunters and 10% orange army
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The ban should work the same way Michigan's lake trout restrictions did. The restrictions came out after the rules guide was printed. No tickets can be enforced until the following year, when the rules guide in reprinted. I suspect most violators that are caught(very few) will only be warned, unless they are in violation of existing baiting laws. From what I've read, laws like this aren't working other places, like Wisconsin, and they probably won't work here, either. Personally, I believe the focus should be on a medical level, to cure, treat or inoculate. Humans have gotten, and will get CWD. It's called spungeform(I think). Dairy and beef industry stand to loose the most money. All we stand to loose is our lives. I'll take my chances on deer over beef, any day. Ay least I know how it is processed. CWD lives in the spine and brain.
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See im not in agreence with you on that one. The vast majority of bowhunter I know are anti bait. But the majority of the gun hunters i know do use it. Most of the guys I know and hunt with are serious hunters and put in there time in the woods, and have no need for bait. While the gun hunters especially the guys I know who go north thats all the do is hunt feeders
This is not a mean spirited question at all, so no need to take offense.

Why is baiting deer looked down upon? I have always used bait legaly to kill deer, and think it's a great tool. I'm a meat hunter first and foremost. The farm we hunt prefers us to only kill does, so I don't worry about trophy deer or anything. I guess I just look at deer as big squirrels, or rabbits. I want to shoot it, and eat it. The sooner I shoot him, the sooner I can eat him.

I'm not a preachy soap box kind of person. I have my way of thinking, and I respect others to. Just curious why.

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This is not a mean spirited question at all, so no need to take offense.

Why is baiting deer looked down upon? I have always used bait legaly to kill deer, and think it's a great tool. I'm a meat hunter first and foremost. The farm we hunt prefers us to only kill does, so I don't worry about trophy deer or anything. I guess I just look at deer as big squirrels, or rabbits. I want to shoot it, and eat it. The sooner I shoot him, the sooner I can eat him.

I'm not a preachy soap box kind of person. I have my way of thinking, and I respect others to. Just curious why.

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I dont mind it when used in a legal method, if you only had the max of 2 gallons down spread over a 10' wide area I dont care the least. But every year I go up north to are hunting land which borders some 3,000 acres of state land which I bow hunt only. I go out and see pile after pile 3-4 80pound bags of corn, in a heap, or a truck bed load of sugar beets in a pile, and still to this day have yet to see a legal bait pile, and a guy smoking the first deer with a 3" spike that comes walking in. That just bothers me, trading time afield and scouting for dumping a big pile of bait on the ground. Im both a meat, and trophy hunter, I shoot 4 slick heads a year and I limit myself to 1 good buck in MI. For me with the availablity of doe tags I see no reason to shoot young bucks, but thats my choice and wouldnt force it apon anyone. I would love for are northern woods to bounce back and would like to see more 1.5 year old deer make it to 2.5.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:42 PM   #49
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The ban should work the same way Michigan's lake trout restrictions did. The restrictions came out after the rules guide was printed. No tickets can be enforced until the following year, when the rules guide in reprinted. I suspect most violators that are caught(very few) will only be warned, unless they are in violation of existing baiting laws. From what I've read, laws like this aren't working other places, like Wisconsin, and they probably won't work here, either. Personally, I believe the focus should be on a medical level, to cure, treat or inoculate. Humans have gotten, and will get CWD. It's called spungeform(I think). Dairy and beef industry stand to loose the most money. All we stand to loose is our lives. I'll take my chances on deer over beef, any day. Ay least I know how it is processed. CWD lives in the spine and brain.
Yeah but it has to be enforced now, cant wait to spread any diseases. And its on all the news channels, and papers. I guess if your really that out of the loop you shouldnt get a ticket but come on. By Oct im sure even the most out there people, this will have reached there ears.
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I dont mind it when used in a legal method, if you only had the max of 2 gallons down spread over a 10' wide area I dont care the least. But every year I go up north to are hunting land which borders some 3,000 acres of state land which I bow hunt only. I go out and see pile after pile 3-4 80pound bags of corn, in a heap, or a truck bed load of sugar beets in a pile, and still to this day have yet to see a legal bait pile, and a guy smoking the first deer with a 3" spike that comes walking in. That just bothers me, trading time afield and scouting for dumping a big pile of bait on the ground. Im both a meat, and trophy hunter, I shoot 4 slick heads a year and I limit myself to 1 good buck in MI. For me with the availablity of doe tags I see no reason to shoot young bucks, but thats my choice and wouldnt force it apon anyone. I would love for are northern woods to bounce back and would like to see more 1.5 year old deer make it to 2.5.

Points well taken. Thanks for being civil.
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Yeah but it has to be enforced now, cant wait to spread any diseases. And its on all the news channels, and papers. I guess if your really that out of the loop you shouldnt get a ticket but come on. By Oct im sure even the most out there people, this will have reached there ears.

i totaly agree with you. i dont know if i didnt say it right or not. all i was trying to say is that i dont think they have the man power to enforce it to the extent that it needs to be, an like you said its up to us as responsible hunters to do by the law.

i hope you dont think i was trying to argure with you. sometimes things come out different when typed instead of speaked.
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:44 AM   #52
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i totaly agree with you. i dont know if i didnt say it right or not. all i was trying to say is that i dont think they have the man power to enforce it to the extent that it needs to be, an like you said its up to us as responsible hunters to do by the law.

i hope you dont think i was trying to argure with you. sometimes things come out different when typed instead of speaked.
I for sure agree with you on that, there are not enough CO's and your right its up to us, I actually quoted a different guy not you MH, when I wrote that, I believe were all thinking on the same wave length here. See The four counties I hunt here in MI, I actually have the cell numbers for a CO in each of these counties they are friends of mine, and always in touch with them. But we as a group have to put aside all the BS and jsut think about whats best for our deer herd.
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This is what I don't understand about the whole situation, the problems Michigan has been having all starts with these deer farms.

So why are we banning baiting?


Sounds like we're skirting the problem.....if baiting is going to help spread these problems....fine get rid of it but shouldn't we be looking at these deer farms too????? This is where the problem started.....These places are not ranches, they are farms were they stick 20 or 30 deer in a small pen like cattle.
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This is what I don't understand about the whole situation, the problems Michigan has been having all starts with these deer farms.

So why are we banning baiting?


Sounds like we're skirting the problem.....if baiting is going to help spread these problems....fine get rid of it but shouldn't we be looking at these deer farms too????? This is where the problem started.....These places are not ranches, they are farms were they stick 20 or 30 deer in a small pen like cattle.
the reason for the ban is so that it will help stop the spreading of it.
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