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Old 02-13-2009, 08:55 AM   #1
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Do you folks knot your sting loops or do you melt the ends hope for the best.
I am new to string loops, I am installing my second one. I knoted the first one, it seemed to work ok. But right when I had it like I wanted it my serving broke so I reserved it (that I know how to do), But I noticed some other folks that don't have knots and so, I ask.
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:01 AM   #2
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I tap my finger on the cut ends of the loop to spread the fibers and then burn them into a ball. then I tie on the d-loop. I've never used an extra knot to keep it from slipping through and never had one slip. after you have the loop tied in place where you want it, stick a pair of needle nose pliers in it and spread the jaws to take out all the slack and make it as tight as possible.
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Mike,
Here is how I am going to start doing mine... I am experiencing some nock pinch with just putting a loop on so I am going to start tying in a nock above and below the arrow. This guy has some great pictures too... http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.a...185934&mpage=1
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Mike,
Here is how I am going to start doing mine... I am experiencing some nock pinch with just putting a loop on so I am going to start tying in a nock above and below the arrow. This guy has some great pictures too... http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.a...185934&mpage=1
Thats how I do mine I use BCY 3D serving for my knots above and below nock.

As far as the loop goes- I cut the loop end and fray it about 1/4 inch and melt the end to a good size ball (I try to keep the end from catching fire by taking my lighter back and forth to get the ball nice and big) Then just tye it with a cats paw(d-loop Knot). and you should be good to go.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:35 AM   #5
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Ahh, mine did catch fire so I may not have enough ball on the end. That could be a problem. I thought it looked a bit scary so I have not drawn it to full draw. Also, I hate shooting arrows through walls in the house. (so far I have never done that)
I think I am going to try the nock method tonight.

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Old 02-13-2009, 10:52 AM   #6
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Ahh, mine did catch fire so I may not have enough ball on the end. That could be a problem. I thought it looked a bit scary so I have not drawn it to full draw. Also, I hate shooting arrows through walls in the house.
This is the reason that you use the needle nose plyers to tighten the knot. If you realy put a lot of pressure on it, it will pull it tight and give you a level of confidence in the knot.

I've used D loops for nearly 8 years and I only had one give way and that was because I got lazy and didn't use the plyers. I've never had problems when the end catches fire. I think that I'll try MM technique, but as long as you have some knot and test it by cranking down on the plyers, you won't have anything to worry about.

There are also a couple of tools that you can use to tighten the knots so tight that you almost have to cut them off. One is made by Viper, but there is little better design is made by Brite Sight.

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The Viper D-loop plies are one of the most used tools in my arsenal. They space the knots out perfectly, and get them so tight you won't believe it! One of the best archery tools I've ever bought.

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Thanks men!
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I used the needle nose, it worked like a charm. I was afraid my 4 1/2 inch was way to short but it's actually just right.
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I used the needle nose, it worked like a charm. I was afraid my 4 1/2 inch was way to short but it's actually just right.
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I use needle nose to cinch mine tight. Also tie nock above arrow , but I set my loop knots touching each other ,below arrow nock. My thinking is that just in case my d-loop craps out somehow while I'm in the stand, I can still shoot from the string in the exact same place I grab my loop now. Plus I just like the shape of the loop better.
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Great post, thanks for taking the time to show it step by step with pictures.
I see what you mean about wrapping eight times on the bottom nock.

Now I've got a question - would it hurt to put a drop of crazy glue on the loop knots where the melted ends touch the actual knot
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Great post, thanks for taking the time to show it step by step with pictures.
I see what you mean about wrapping eight times on the bottom nock.

Now I've got a question - would it hurt to put a drop of crazy glue on the loop knots where the melted ends touch the actual knot
I don't think it would hurt anything but it's really not necessary and if it bleads down into where the serving is when you go to take the loop of to replace it you may have more trouble than it's worth...
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I have never used glue- cause I never needed it. I thnk Fiddles right it would be a pain to change if it glue to serving.

Elder Mike- most guys use 4 to 4 1/2 you should be fine. I use 3 1/2 its a pain to tye but I like a short loop do to walking the line with my draw lenght.
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I cut 4 1/2 but by the time I melted it I lost a 1/4 inch, but it's fine for me.
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I order mine by the foot- And what I do is fray 1/4 in and melt then cut the other end 3 3/4in fray 1/4in melt and then fight to tye it up, take needle nose streach it then check my release with a arrow nocked to make sure I have no contact from my release. then I am good to go.
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