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Old 09-02-2009, 10:46 PM   #1
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First good eight pointer around 120class is going down for me.


First does come by are going into the freezer as well.

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Old 09-03-2009, 12:19 AM   #2
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I will not shoot a spike.
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:23 AM   #3
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About a 120 8 pointer in the begening of season, last few days before gun season comes in anything 100" or more is done.
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Old 09-03-2009, 04:33 AM   #4
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What I look for in a buck.
a. B & C - you bet ya. (I'm 57 and have never shot a B & C) :-(
b. Non typical - especially if it has drop tines.
c. large bodied animal - we've got a 6 point at the farm that is a hog (been
a 6 point for the past 3 seasons).

What I look for in a doe.
a. large bodied mature animal.
b. one that has unusual coloring / pattern (I dogged a large doe that had
a prominate double white throat patch for 2 years without success).
c. I do my best to try NOT to shoot a doe that has a young one with her,
(especially if I can tell if it is a late born one or is nursing).

With that being said, I would not hesitate to put down an animal that has
been hurt, wounded or I can tell is ill or starving. I've only done this
on one occasion, a doe had it's entire bottom jaw shot off - it was skin &
bones. No, I did not use the animal. My dad passed on a small buck one
year that had it's hind leg including the hip down blown off. It was very thin
but still able to eat. The next season we both saw this same animal, the
wound was completely healed over and the animal was healthy (if you
didn't see it from it's wounded side, you would have never known it was
missing the hind quarter. Nature can sometimes fool you.

I've got a question for you. If you came upon a pair of bucks who's antlers
were locked together but both were alive even though wore out. Would you
shoot one or both of them ? I don't know if it's legal or not or if it's more of
an ethical question. If one were dead, what would you do ?
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What I look for in a buck.
a. B & C - you bet ya. (I'm 57 and have never shot a B & C) :-(
b. Non typical - especially if it has drop tines.
c. large bodied animal - we've got a 6 point at the farm that is a hog (been
a 6 point for the past 3 seasons).

What I look for in a doe.
a. large bodied mature animal.
b. one that has unusual coloring / pattern (I dogged a large doe that had
a prominate double white throat patch for 2 years without success).
c. I do my best to try NOT to shoot a doe that has a young one with her,
(especially if I can tell if it is a late born one or is nursing).

With that being said, I would not hesitate to put down an animal that has
been hurt, wounded or I can tell is ill or starving. I've only done this
on one occasion, a doe had it's entire bottom jaw shot off - it was skin &
bones. No, I did not use the animal. My dad passed on a small buck one
year that had it's hind leg including the hip down blown off. It was very thin
but still able to eat. The next season we both saw this same animal, the
wound was completely healed over and the animal was healthy (if you
didn't see it from it's wounded side, you would have never known it was
missing the hind quarter. Nature can sometimes fool you.

I've got a question for you. If you came upon a pair of bucks who's antlers
were locked together but both were alive even though wore out. Would you
shoot one or both of them ? I don't know if it's legal or not or if it's more of
an ethical question. If one were dead, what would you do ?
I would get my cell out and call the local game warden and get permission to do whatever needed to do to save the one buck that was still alive. I just cant see shooting it, for me it just wouldnt be right.
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Old 09-03-2009, 07:39 AM   #6
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im waiting for a 140 + i know there on the farm and ill probably wait to shoot anything smaller until the rut is over
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The first buck 2.5-3 years old or better that gets within 25 yards. When I want a doe I just wait for one to be broadside at 15 yards and she gets it, as long as she has no spots.
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We have a pretty strict rule system. 1st buck can be anything 2.5 and up. A second buck needs to be at least 140 (3.5). We do not shoot 1.5 year old bucks period. After the year I had last year the first 2.5 year old that presents himself this year with be delt with via carbon injection.
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First good eight pointer around 120class is going down for me.


First does come by are going into the freezer as well.

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Last years buck. Only good buck I saw to shoot, well best buck in shooting range with a bow.

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2007 Buck. Just couldnt find one bigger after this one.

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I made the mistake of passing a buck this size last year because it was second day of archery season and I had pictures of a lot bigger deer. I ended up empty handed by passing it up. It came about 4 yards from stand feed around me for about 20 minutes.
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I would get my cell out and call the local game warden and get permission to do whatever needed to do to save the one buck that was still alive. I just cant see shooting it, for me it just wouldnt be right.
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I understand where your coming from and what your saying DB. At the time I put the doe down, cell phones were rare. Ohio has 1 game warden per county. I have always done my best to be known by him / her. They understand my thoughs on this and would do the same - but can not give an official "ok".
For me, it's strictly that I can not take seeing an animal suffer - especially for any length of time.
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I understand where your coming from and what your saying DB. At the time I put the doe down, cell phones were rare. Ohio has 1 game warden per county. I have always done my best to be known by him / her. They understand my thoughs on this and would do the same - but can not give an official "ok".
For me, it's strictly that I can not take seeing an animal suffer - especially for any length of time.
I was told if I shoot a wounded buck I must place a tag on it. Im not going to give up a tag on a wounded buck. I would most likely harvest it and leave it lay if it was truly suffering. Im just being honest. I once removed the antlers from a dead buck that I found. I was told I would get a ticket if caught with those antlers during season. Its can be a tough call at times but I would most likely put it down and leave it.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:51 PM   #12
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130's or better or 3.5 old plus.

However, if I see any wounded deer, buck or doe, I will burn my tag.

We get 2 bucks per yr. and endless archery doe tags.
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130's or better or 3.5 old plus.

However, if I see any wounded deer, buck or doe, I will burn my tag.

We get 2 bucks per yr. and endless archery doe tags.
I always thought it was a one buck state. I know my standards are higher hunting there. I passed a good 125 class there last time I hunted and came home empty handed.
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I always thought it was a one buck state. I know my standards are higher hunting there. I passed a good 125 class there last time I hunted and came home empty handed.
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That is the guideline rule for hunting our farm. My personal guideline is if I won't mount it, I pass.
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I'm hoping 130" or higher. I've seen bigger deer last year. They never presented a shot. I passed 3 bucks last year that were low 120's. Man was I tempted, couldn't bring myself to poke an arrow through any of them, Especially with all the bucks I was seeing. Ended up not shooting a buck last year. So I have my fingers crossed that some of last years 120's will still be around and bigger.



As for Does. Its open season. Anything 80lbs or better is fair game for me.
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I am with DB my buck I shot last year. Was 118 but I thought he was a good buck.For the year,everything allways comes out right at dark.I am looking forward to sticking some slicks this year.
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since jersey deer dont get that big to begin with, im hoping just to see a deer this comming archery season

If it looks to be a big doe, or even a small buck, ill probably take it, even thou i'd like to get an actuall buck this year, not the spike i shot a couple of years ago
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For me, on bucks... if it's not big enough for the wall, it's not big enough to shoot.
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For me, on bucks... if it's not big enough for the wall, it's not big enough to shoot.
Thats a big amen for me too.

The way I look at it if its not big enough to put on the wall then why shoot it but big enough for the wall for me is alot different for alot of other people. The way we do it is it has to be 4.5 or older or we cant shoot it or unless its your first buck or a kiddo.
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Mine are pretty low.
First doe or buck that comes near enough and looks like it's at least a 1.5 YO. After that, well, same standards. I've never seen what others would consider a trophy buck in the woods. I've seen some large bodied bucks, but no racks to speak of. I'd never shoot a deer if I set standards by horn size. Mabey it's just the way it is here in the northeast. Let one pass and you might go hungry. Hard to change that way of thinking here.
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[QUOTE]I was told if I shoot a wounded buck I must place a tag on it. Im not going to give up a tag on a wounded buck. I would most likely harvest it and leave it lay if it was truly suffering. Im just being honest. I once removed the antlers from a dead buck that I found. I was told I would get a ticket if caught with those antlers during season. Its can be a tough call at times but I would most likely put it down and leave it.
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DB, I know when you read this, your going to swear I'm blowing smoke - honest, I'm not. This is what was told to a group of hunters by not just our local warden but by his superior from the Columbus ODNR.
Until you actually touch (this shows possession of said animal) the DNR can do nothing. The catch here is - possession can be as simple as pulling the arrow out of the animal.
We then ask about removing antlers from a dead buck, say one you've found that had not been recovered by another hunter. Here they want you to contact them first then they will make the call. They may even go in the field with you on something like this. It's against the law to cut the antlers off a buck laying on the side of the road. Yes but that's subject to state laws as far as roadways go, not hunting laws. They (sheriff and patrol) don't want a hazard caused by a stopped vehicle or dummy in the road.

I didn't mean to get this thread off course. Like I said, this is what I would do and have once in all the years I've hunted. We are allowed one buck in my state - I really don't want to burn it either.
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I was told if I shoot a wounded buck I must place a tag on it. Im not going to give up a tag on a wounded buck. I would most likely harvest it and leave it lay if it was truly suffering. Im just being honest. I once removed the antlers from a dead buck that I found. I was told I would get a ticket if caught with those antlers during season. Its can be a tough call at times but I would most likely put it down and leave it.
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DB, I know when you read this, your going to swear I'm blowing smoke - honest, I'm not. This is what was told to a group of hunters by not just our local warden but by his superior from the Columbus ODNR.
Until you actually touch (this shows possession of said animal) the DNR can do nothing. The catch here is - possession can be as simple as pulling the arrow out of the animal.
We then ask about removing antlers from a dead buck, say one you've found that had not been recovered by another hunter. Here they want you to contact them first then they will make the call. They may even go in the field with you on something like this. It's against the law to cut the antlers off a buck laying on the side of the road. Yes but that's subject to state laws as far as roadways go, not hunting laws. They (sheriff and patrol) don't want a hazard caused by a stopped vehicle or dummy in the road.

I didn't mean to get this thread off course. Like I said, this is what I would do and have once in all the years I've hunted. We are allowed one buck in my state - I really don't want to burn it either.
Other wise if they caught poachers with horns they could just say they found a dead buck. Here the law is about keeping someone from shooting a deer just for the horns. Its Illegal to sale horns in Oklahoma.
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first whitetail with horns thats close enough die`s. I will be hunting for a
190ish muly though.
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Here in Indiana, we only get 1 buck for the entire year. So, I have become a little more picky about what I shoot at. It paid off last year though with my P&Y buck. I let a nice 125" 8 pointer walk the first week, & got a 183 1/8" monster the second week.
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Here in Indiana, we only get 1 buck for the entire year. So, I have become a little more picky about what I shoot at. It paid off last year though with my P&Y buck. I let a nice 125" 8 pointer walk the first week, & got a 183 1/8" monster the second week.
Going to be a tough go beating that one.
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Here in Indiana, we only get 1 buck for the entire year. So, I have become a little more picky about what I shoot at. It paid off last year though with my P&Y buck. I let a nice 125" 8 pointer walk the first week, & got a 183 1/8" monster the second week.
Nice buck - your earlier pass up paid off big time
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Nice buck - your earlier pass up paid off big time
Thats the type of pay offs when you let the younger bucks go. A really mature buck and you got the horns to go with it.

You cant expect to kill a buck like that every year but if you kill the first buck you see that passes by chances are you not gonna ever kill a deer like that.
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Last couple of years I have stayed quiet, waiting for the right buck! Opening day 08 had four bucks from a spike to a forked horn under the stand. Some does also passed by. Day two same thing minus a couple bucks and does.
Stayed quiet no arrows lauched, still waiting for the bigger deer 6 points plus maybe a eight. Night before the end of trip, time to head home only yearlings remain, most deer taken on farms down the road. Lots of competition, and others just what meat in the freezer. Time to head home empty handed again!
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this buck or nothing until after the rut is over unless of course theres another buck like that i dont have pictures of

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Grizz, Take a doe for the freezer. Maybe wait for a really big doe.
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I won't shoot a buck unless it tops the buck prier to what I shot before. I hope this makes since, I don't live in a big buck producing area so I wait and wait until I see something that makes me go WOW. Some years I don't shoot a buck but take as many does as I can. Here's what I'm talking about my 07 season buck and my 08 season buck - Looking for something bigger in 09 somewhere around 130ish or bigger
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I won't shoot a buck unless it tops the buck prier to what I shot before. I hope this makes since, I don't live in a big buck producing area so I wait and wait until I see something that makes me go WOW. Some years I don't shoot a buck but take as many does as I can. Here's what I'm talking about my 07 season buck and my 08 season buck - Looking for something bigger in 09 somewhere around 130ish or bigger
To me that is the way it should be done or atleast till you kill a giant like a 160 or something. Then I think a person definatly needs to shoot for Maturity of a buck. If a person kills a 120 in 6 1/2 year old buck then that is a trophy in itself cause it is hard to kill a buck once he hits the 4 1/2 year old mark.
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What I look for in a buck.
a. B & C - you bet ya. (I'm 57 and have never shot a B & C) :-(
b. Non typical - especially if it has drop tines.
c. large bodied animal - we've got a 6 point at the farm that is a hog (been
a 6 point for the past 3 seasons).

What I look for in a doe.
a. large bodied mature animal.
b. one that has unusual coloring / pattern (I dogged a large doe that had
a prominate double white throat patch for 2 years without success).
c. I do my best to try NOT to shoot a doe that has a young one with her,
(especially if I can tell if it is a late born one or is nursing).

With that being said, I would not hesitate to put down an animal that has
been hurt, wounded or I can tell is ill or starving. I've only done this
on one occasion, a doe had it's entire bottom jaw shot off - it was skin &
bones. No, I did not use the animal. My dad passed on a small buck one
year that had it's hind leg including the hip down blown off. It was very thin
but still able to eat. The next season we both saw this same animal, the
wound was completely healed over and the animal was healthy (if you
didn't see it from it's wounded side, you would have never known it was
missing the hind quarter. Nature can sometimes fool you.

I've got a question for you. If you came upon a pair of bucks who's antlers
were locked together but both were alive even though wore out. Would you
shoot one or both of them ? I don't know if it's legal or not or if it's more of
an ethical question. If one were dead, what would you do ?
In Illinois it is legal as long as you have the tags. We are allowed two antler and all the antlerless we want. Take 'em
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:41 AM   #37
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I doubt I will shoot any buck under 120" but who knows.

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Old 09-13-2009, 03:51 PM   #38
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In Illinois it is legal as long as you have the tags. We are allowed two antler and all the antlerless we want. Take 'em
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For me, on bucks... if it's not big enough for the wall, it's not big enough to shoot.
Agreed....however does...if it is in range....it is in danger
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First good eight pointer around 120class is going down for me.


First does come by are going into the freezer as well.

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Sounds like you and I have the about same standards. I am going to shoot as many does as I can and only 120"+ bucks.

Oh, and I am leaving for an elk hunt today and the first legal elk that gives me a shot is gong to get it.
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