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Old 01-25-2010, 05:19 PM   #41
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JAVI, I've always enjoyed reading your posts. I've never met you but I tend to believe what you post. That is due to your time and experience in and around the sport. You seem to approach everything with a level of logic and realism. I appreciate your voice of sanity in this over hyped advertising world in which we all now live. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks to you for being willing to state your opinion whether it's popular or not.
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I'm looking for wt. just of the unweighted bar.

I suppose you're right about the call, I'm just afraid if I call and talk to him I will place an order . I'd still like to wait till the shop gets them in to try before dropping $350 on a trial run.
You will not be the first guinea pig. We've already had the first guy buy one. As soon as I can get Blair on the phone to explain how to setup my customers, I'll get them ordered in.
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You will not be the first guinea pig. We've already had the first guy buy one. As soon as I can get Blair on the phone to explain how to setup my customers, I'll get them ordered in.
Sweet! Hype or not I'd like to give them a look.


Do you have any Doinker Avancees on order as well?
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Sweet! Hype or not I'd like to give them a look.


Do you have any Doinker Avancees on order as well?
No Doinkers at this time. We are still trying to decide if we are going to carry Doinker this year.

John will be here Saturday to shoot his league score and he'll have the Bstinger. What length would you be interested in?
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No Doinkers at this time. We are still trying to decide if we are going to carry Doinker this year.

John will be here Saturday to shoot his league score and he'll have the Bstinger. What length would you be interested in?
30" or 33" and the 12" side bar. Their adjustable sidebar mount as well.
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30" or 33" and the 12" side bar. Their adjustable sidebar mount as well.
I just put the 30" with 12" side bar on mine and it balaced my bow out alot better and holds like a rock really pleased with mine right now
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I just put the 30" with 12" side bar on mine and it balaced my bow out alot better and holds like a rock really pleased with mine right now
Where did you place the weights and how much weight in each location?

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Keep it with 3 weights on front put 2 weights on the end of the Side bar angled down and just a little out a tad.I will try to get some pics up
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I got 6 on the front 30" bar and 12 on my 12" side which is pointing down around 45 degree.
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maybe it was the new factor or my doinker wasnt doing its job but I increased several points my first 3d shoot when I switched to a B-stinger.

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I have a set of the Premiers. I went with a 36" front and one 15" side bar. I've never been one to use any weight in the front but on this setup I have 2 oz on the front and 6 oz on the side bar. They have been saying that one one side bar is the way to go but you don't really know till you try it. Jeff Hopkins was using two 15" rods as V Bars at the Lancaster shoot so I guess you just have to experiement. Great product though!
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you should be running a 1 to 5 ratio. If you have 2 on the front you should be running around 10 on the side bar..
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I got mine coming.


Reo, Chance, Dan Mcarthey, Jesse Broadwater and Jeff Hopkins are using something and tell me it made a big difference I listen. Just contact Blair and talk to him. He very intelligent and very nice guy.


Im looking forward to trying his new system of blance of stabilizers.
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I noticed many of the pros using them. I also noticed the guy who won the money class at KC in BHFS was shoot a B Stinger.

Bottomline there good stabilizers and many are winning with them.

Broadwater just won the Nimes European championship with them this weekend as well.

Hoyt and B Stinger seem to be having a banner year again.

I did ask a couple of the pros there if they noticed a big difference with them and most said you need to shoot them to see the difference.


Hacker won the mens using a Doinker.

Still have to be a shooter to win.
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Stabilizers are aiming devices. Its all about getting them balanced the shooter likes. Vibration after the shot isnt nearly as much a factor as getting the bow to balance and aim well. Its how the shooter behind the bow likes his bow set up. Either balanced or weight forward. With most good stabilizers out there today you can acheive the balance you want. There is no magic in any stabilizer out there. The magic is between your ears. Getting confident behind your equipment is key but it still all comes down to the shooter behind the equipment.
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Stabilizers are aiming devices. Its all about getting them balanced the shooter likes. Vibration after the shot isnt nearly as much a factor as getting the bow to balance and aim well. Its how the shooter behind the bow likes his bow set up. Either balanced or weight forward. With most good stabilizers out there today you can acheive the balance you want. There is no magic in any stabilizer out there. The magic is between your ears. Getting confident behind your equipment is key but it still all comes down to the shooter behind the equipment.
Just ask Jeff Hopkins and Levi why they switched and how its helped them. They will give you honest answer.

Will see who stabilizers on are what bow when Vegas is all over with. Maybe they might help!

Blair gives a fulll money back garantee if you dont like them. Hard to argue with that!
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Reo sure seems to be having a banner year.
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Just ask Jeff Hopkins and Levi why they switched and how its helped them. They will give you honest answer.

Will see who stabilizers on are what bow when Vegas is all over with. Maybe they might help!

Blair gives a fulll money back garantee if you dont like them. Hard to argue with that!
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Reo sure seems to be having a banner year.

Congrats on the purchase DB. I'll be interested to see how they work for you. These bars have certainly revved the hype machine into full gear the past several months. I tried the original XL bar and did not find it to be anything special, but I never had the opportunity to try the new Premier bars.

But, remember, that guarantee only extends to the short bars... The premier bars are your for keeps, like it or not..
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Stabilizers are aiming devices. Its all about getting them balanced the shooter likes. Vibration after the shot isnt nearly as much a factor as getting the bow to balance and aim well. Its how the shooter behind the bow likes his bow set up. Either balanced or weight forward. With most good stabilizers out there today you can acheive the balance you want. There is no magic in any stabilizer out there. The magic is between your ears. Getting confident behind your equipment is key but it still all comes down to the shooter behind the equipment.
Well stated Jame, I think you have hit the nail on the head!
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Kind of like I told one of my students when he asked me if I thought he should get a set after he talked to Blair... “If it makes you all warm and fuzzy feeling to have a set of the latest & greatest, then by all means get 'em. After all it's your money and you're grown”
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Well stated Jame, I think you have hit the nail on the head!
Im quessing many will be shooting these before long. Winning as well.
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Kind of like I told one of my students when he asked me if I thought he should get a set after he talked to Blair... “If it makes you all warm and fuzzy feeling to have a set of the latest & greatest, then by all means get 'em. After all it's your money and you're grown”
Doesnt cost you a dime, except maybe some time. When enough archers tell me there scores improved after trying them. World class archers. I take that serious and will always take the archers word. Shoot what works for you!
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Congrats on the purchase DB. I'll be interested to see how they work for you. These bars have certainly revved the hype machine into full gear the past several months. I tried the original XL bar and did not find it to be anything special, but I never had the opportunity to try the new Premier bars.

But, remember, that guarantee only extends to the short bars... The premier bars are your for keeps, like it or not..
Blairs always been more than fair to me. You get what you pay for. Having Blair and his stabilizers is like having a coach that goes along with them. He helped many top guns archers. I would rather those in my class dont shoot them
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Ask him what he has on his 3d bow DB, lol couldn't resist
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Keep it up Pibb and you will be sleeping in the bath tub in Gainesville

If you go back to the first page of this thread I stated that I am using the premiers on my 3-D bow. i stated how well I like the infinite weight adjustability.

I also stated how I feel they are not the "holy grail".

The B-Stingers are a good stabilizer. My point is akin to Javi's and Jame's in that there are a lot of great stabilizers out there and that most of the difference between them is MENTAL.

This being a MENTAL sport, I had to try them just to appease my mind. Now that I have done that, I have every bit of confidence in my Doinkers (still on the indoor bow) as I do in my B-Stingers (on the 3-d bow).

If I thought there was a nickle's difference between the two, you would have seen my Doinkers in the classifieds two months ago!

But hey, Reo and Jesse are winning while using B-Stingers....Oh wait a minute, they were winning before they got B-Stingers

They were winning with vantage and pro-elites but are now winning with contender elites ......oh what's a guy to do?
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Keep it up Pibb and you will be sleeping in the bath tub in Gainesville

If you go back to the first page of this thread I stated that I am using the premiers on my 3-D bow. i stated how well I like the infinite weight adjustability.

I also stated how I feel they are not the "holy grail".

The B-Stingers are a good stabilizer. My point is akin to Javi's and Jame's in that there are a lot of great stabilizers out there and that most of the difference between them is MENTAL.

This being a MENTAL sport, I had to try them just to appease my mind. Now that I have done that, I have every bit of confidence in my Doinkers (still on the indoor bow) as I do in my B-Stingers (on the 3-d bow).

If I thought there was a nickle's difference between the two, you would have seen my Doinkers in the classifieds two months ago!

But hey, Reo and Jesse are winning while using B-Stingers....Oh wait a minute, they were winning before they got B-Stingers

They were winning with vantage and pro-elites but are now winning with contender elites ......oh what's a guy to do?
Wow then Jessee and Reo didnt switch to them because they work?

Jessee one that as done nothing but talk very good about them. I doubt very seriously he is lying when he said they work best for him and have helped him improve his scores.
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Understood.. Just wanted to clarify that the return policy is on the hunter stabs only.. That point came up on AT today and it was explained that there is no 30-day return for the long bars.. Either way, I hope they work for you...

Like I said, I haven't tried the Premier bars. To me, the XL's did not seem to be any different than quite a number of other bars on the market. But, then again, I'm not the level of shooter that might see a big advantage by using them..
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Understood.. Just wanted to clarify that the return policy is on the hunter stabs only.. That point came up on AT today and it was explained that there is no 30-day return for the long bars.. Either way, I hope they work for you...

Like I said, I haven't tried the Premier bars. To me, the XL's did not seem to be any different than quite a number of other bars on the market. But, then again, I'm not the level of shooter that might see a big advantage by using them..
Have you ever tried to contact and talk persoanally with Blair. I highly recommend you do and then maybe you will understand what others have found in his stabilizers. Its more than just buying a stabilizer. Sometimes they do design a better wheel.
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Have you ever tried to contact and talk persoanally with Blair. I highly recommend you do and then maybe you will understand what others have found in his stabilizers. Its more than just buying a stabilizer. Sometimes they do design a better wheel.
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Yep, I spoke with him when I ordered my XL's originally. At the end of the day, all you can really do is either add or subtract weight and change the angle of your vbars.. You can't move the weight around and you can't vary the length or configuration.. Not really any magic there. Even a goober like myself can figure out how to screw and unscrew weights..


I know there are a lot of guys swearing by them these days.. I'm sure there have been some benefits to those that have switched in whatever form those benefits may take.. But, for me, I don't see it.. I've had this debate with the swarm of b-stingers on AT before including the kings B's themselves. I still believe it's a stabilizer, a good one yes, but still a stabilizer. Seems most of those big names that have switched were shooting pretty stinkin' good before they switched. Perfect before and perfect after is still perfect..
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Yep, I spoke with him when I ordered my XL's originally. At the end of the day, all you can really do is either add or subtract weight and change the angle of your vbars.. You can't move the weight around and you can't vary the length or configuration.. Not really any magic there. Even a goober like myself can figure out how to screw and unscrew weights..


I know there are a lot of guys swearing by them these days.. I'm sure there have been some benefits to those that have switched in whatever form those benefits may take.. But, for me, I don't see it.. I've had this debate with the swarm of b-stingers on AT before including the kings B's themselves. I still believe it's a stabilizer, a good one yes, but still a stabilizer. Seems most of those big names that have switched were shooting pretty stinkin' good before they switched. Perfect before and perfect after is still perfect..
Is what the pro tells me. If Im taking advice. I want it from someone who winning. Maybe there a good reason they switched and are winning. Winning often is the difference in one shot or one point. I realize this and so do Jessee and other good shooters. Should I think these folks have no understanding what works and what doesnt. Jawsdad who do you listen to? Self coached! Im not near as smart as some who shoot. But I do know who to get advice from.
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If all you got is add or subtract weight. You certianly didnt listen very well. Because I got alot more from him. We disscussed wrist and torgue and what works when your hitting high or low. Tim Ewers may have decided to not listen he may not have went home and shot a 300 30X.


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If you go back to the first page of this thread I stated that I am using the premiers on my 3-D bow. i stated how well I like the infinite weight adjustability.

I also stated how I feel they are not the "holy grail".

The B-Stingers are a good stabilizer. My point is akin to Javi's and Jame's in that there are a lot of great stabilizers out there and that most of the difference between them is MENTAL.

This being a MENTAL sport, I had to try them just to appease my mind. Now that I have done that, I have every bit of confidence in my Doinkers (still on the indoor bow) as I do in my B-Stingers (on the 3-d bow).

If I thought there was a nickle's difference between the two, you would have seen my Doinkers in the classifieds two months ago!

But hey, Reo and Jesse are winning while using B-Stingers....Oh wait a minute, they were winning before they got B-Stingers

They were winning with vantage and pro-elites but are now winning with contender elites ......oh what's a guy to do?
hehe, rubbin's racin!!!! And we will decide who's sleepn in the tub after day one!!!
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Is what the pro tells me. If Im taking advice. I want it from someone who winning. Maybe there a good reason they switched and are winning. Winning often is the difference in one shot or one point. I realize this and so do Jessee and other good shooters. Should I think these folks have no understanding what works and what doesnt. Jawsdad who do you listen to? Self coached! Im not near as smart as some who shoot. But I do know who to get advice from.
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If all you got is add or subtract weight. You certianly didnt listen very well. Because I got alot more from him. We disscussed wrist and torgue and what works when your hitting high or low. Tim Ewers may have decided to not listen he may not have went home and shot a 300 30X.


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You win, I'm evidently completely wrong.. My apologies for having a contrary opinion than "the pros".

Enjoy your bars DB. I hope they get you that extra X or 2 you need to get back to that 60x. I'll get back to self coaching and someday I'll aspire to get there myself..

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You win, I'm evidently completely wrong.. My apologies for having a contrary opinion than "the pros".

Enjoy your bars DB. I hope they get you that extra X or 2 you need to get back to that 60x. I'll get back to self coaching and someday I'll aspire to get there myself..
What ever works for you! Maybe travel and get Javi to help coach you. I know what works for myself. No contest here, no one wins. Its a thread
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An rod of sufficient elastic modulus will allow more weight forward on a longer rod without whip. Plain and simple larger diameter weights allow more weight in a smaller linear area reducing the flexing load on the rod...

Make the front rod longer and put more weight on it and the bow will move less…

it ain't rocket science it's high school physics and geometry..

Blair found a carbon tube of higher elastic modulus without unduly increasing weight and is buying it to make stabilizers.. good for him…

you reckon other folks ain’t gonna buy the same carbon tube in a New York minute…
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An rod of sufficient elastic modulus will allow more weight forward on a longer rod without whip. Plain and simple larger diameter weights allow more weight in a smaller linear area reducing the flexing load on the rod...

Make the front rod longer and put more weight on it and the bow will move less…

it ain't rocket science it's high school physics and geometry..

Blair found a carbon tube of higher elastic modulus without unduly increasing weight and is buying it to make stabilizers.. good for him…

you reckon other folks ain’t gonna buy the same carbon tube in a New York minute…

Took a simple concept and made a good stabilizer. Many good pros and amatuers are winning with them ever day. Now will someone one day down the line make one better. I sure hope so because in my years of archery equipment has changed and made archers better shooters. I wish it was as simple as many try to make it. But when I talk to archers who devoted there life to archery. They tweak and look for equipment to help there game.
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DB, good luck with your new set stabs. Just hope that sight pitcure said els down when you mount those new stingers to your bow.
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I sure hope so! Thats the goal. No magic equipment. Just the seek to find what works.

Javi and Huntelk both are good friends and always alot of fun to disscuss with. They know to never take anything I say in a thread personal.
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Huntelk dishes it out as well as he takes it!!!
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He will be carrying the kids bow around the range. Son will be kicking his tail.
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The one thing I've learned is there is no positive outcome when it comes to discussing this particular stabilizer. Tried it on AT without success, same goes here.. I guess I'm just the odd duck that doesn't get it..


For some reason, I seem to shoot better with more weight closer to the riser. Put my bow on a scale tonight and it tipped just over 10 pounds. After some extended shooting, it does let me know that I need to get back in the gym. My shot put days are long behind me..
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