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Old 12-03-2008, 11:03 PM   #41
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How come I gotta do all the work? Here's the best I can do. If it doesn'twork it isn't my fault.

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Old 12-04-2008, 04:02 AM   #42
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OK, there is a good link on one of the other sites---hunting.net---an assessment by the one and only----Len in Maryland.

You can read it for yourself, but it makes sense. In short, with the increased rearward pressure on the cable rod it can become a virtual projectile in the event that the cable rod come loose from the bow.

Think about this. What holds most cable rods in a bow? Most often it's a setscrew. In some bows the rod is just epoxied into the riser. What happens if, at full draw, the rod becomes dislodged. Where is it going?

STRAIGHT BACK.

I hadn't thought of that - impressive, not that I was going to buy one anyway.
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OK, there is a good link on one of the other sites---hunting.net---an assessment by the one and only----Len in Maryland.

You can read it for yourself, but it makes sense. In short, with the increased rearward pressure on the cable rod it can become a virtual projectile in the event that the cable rod come loose from the bow.

Think about this. What holds most cable rods in a bow? Most often it's a setscrew. In some bows the rod is just epoxied into the riser. What happens if, at full draw, the rod becomes dislodged. Where is it going?

STRAIGHT BACK.
Their is no rear pull on a normal cable rod just side pressure once you install this new gimmick their is rear tension as it is holdin the cables from sliding this is what will cause you rod to come loose if the set screw on the gizmo dont fail first.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:31 PM   #44
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How come I gotta do all the work? Here's the best I can do. If it doesn'twork it isn't my fault.

www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=3211343

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We leave you to do all the work cos you're the awesomest
Was thinking that little thing could be a bit of a winner, but after reading that, reckon I'll give it a miss, or at least see how it pans out (the first few to try it can be cannon fodder!).
Will have to wait and see, it could be completely safe, and one of the best inventions since the beer fridge. Of course, if it is as dangerous as some have said, we could try turning the bow around and sticking vanes on it
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:14 AM   #45
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Did anyone noticed that the bowturbow was mounted much closer to the riser than the natural position of the factory cable slide when they installed it?

IMO, that is key to making it faster. So all i have to do to accomplish the same thing is to move my cable slide forward about 2-3 inches and lock it down!

Biggest concern of course is safety. If i would try one... i would replace the factory cable slide rod with a metal one.


I just hate modifying something without checking with the factory first!
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:32 PM   #46
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From what I can tell doesn't it shorten your cable length which would make your draw longer and increase your poundage ?? But still that was quite a increase in FPS Might work............
You're right, is adds length to the DL, adds poundage, and reduces let off, any of the three will increase speed.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:55 PM   #47
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if you read the faqs it says it doesn't increase poundage or draw length and it doesn't alter the bow structure.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:59 PM   #48
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I'm not too keen on the whole set screw to the cable rod. It could work safely, but I'd have to see it in person before I would even consider it. I think I'd rather change the string and cable measurements to preload the limbs
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:15 PM   #49
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if you read the faqs it says it doesn't increase poundage or draw length and it doesn't alter the bow structure.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:56 PM   #50
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if you read the faqs it says it doesn't increase poundage or draw length and it doesn't alter the bow structure.
ok it may say it doesnt but the fact of the matter is it has to cant get energy from nothing so it has to do atleast one of those things
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:46 PM   #51
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exactly, nothing's free. to get that much more energy out, you have to put more into it. that thing doesnt undo physics......
I agree with the point on physics, though i seen magnetic motors produce more without equal input, and the speed was shown as being faster...ill follow this one to see where it go's... safty is a big concern
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:34 AM   #52
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In my opinion, two things need to be addressed to safely install and shoot on a bow. First the draw weight going into the install would have to be low enough to not overstress the limbs (which would be hard for the layman archer to accurately measure). And second, the cable rod would have to be secured better than is typically done by the manufacturers.
I personally do not want to have an injury to my face or torso, let reason prevail. For most people, my advice is to keep the bow within manufacturer's specs. And for the rest of you, you know who you are! LOL BE CAREFUL, we'd miss you on this site.
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:44 AM   #53
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Nope definately not for me. Sounds way too dangerous and the whole part about not increasing DW or DL is a bucket of manure.
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Thumbs up Bowturbow

I recently purchased a bowturbow (yes, I'm a normal archer who has to have the latest gadget). I've tried it on my CONCEPT Mini-29, and although I don't understand the mechanics behind it, I must admit, THIS THING WORKS! When you put it on in place of a slide, you need to adjust it back and forth until you find the 'sweet spot' for your bow. Once that's located, you're golden. It actually does smooth out the shot, the bow's noticibly quieter, and faster (I haven't gotten the chance to chrono it yet, but my pin gap decreased quite a bit). The only thing I want to point out is that you will need to serve your cables throughout the areas they will roll across the wheels. I actually like this product so much, that I'm getting two more...one for my PARKER and one for my finger-shooting HOYT.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:32 PM   #55
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I know 2 guys that put them on there hoyt target bows. I asked about draw weight and length and was told it never changed. The one guy is a bow dealer.
They picked up 16 FPS on the bow that was 53#. I don't know what the other bows weight is. He picked up 15 FPS. They do work but I don't know why.
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Old 08-13-2009, 08:29 PM   #56
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Ya I know a guy at my club who put one on his Hoyt target bow when he got his new strings and cables put on and after about 15 shots it chewed thru his cables and broke em. brand new strings right in the trash. I am a speed freak but you can keep that perticular gadget
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:48 AM   #57
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this contraption won't be going on any of my bows but it does get you more speed no doubt about that fact cause thats fiction.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:26 AM   #58
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I know some say it doesn't change draw length or weight. I have to say my results show differently.

Here is the link to our Bowturbow results
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:22 PM   #59
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Ya I know a guy at my club who put one on his Hoyt target bow when he got his new strings and cables put on and after about 15 shots it chewed thru his cables and broke em. brand new strings right in the trash. I am a speed freak but you can keep that perticular gadget
These guys I know using them have been shooting them all summer. The one guy said he had trouble getting cable to track right at first. Had to play around getting it in right place to work. They shoot 3D almost every weekend. I am not promoting them but they do work. I won't put them on my bow. It is almost the same thing that are on some of the Mathews from the factory.
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As someone with a 25"DL I can tell you that anything that can increase the speed of my bow 15-20fps is something that has my attention. I have been watching the bowturbo from a distance for quite some time now. From those that have used it I have heard mixed reviews. Seems like some love it and some weren't impressed. One person I talked to said it increased their speed by a whopping 4fps. Haven't heard anything that would make me want to run out and try it - yet.

One of the main reasons that I haven't wanted to mess with it is that after talking to Alpine corporate about it, they told me it would void my warranty on my bow. I have a source at both PSE and Martin corporate offices that both said the exact same thing. They also said that Matthews and Hoyt had told them the same thing. Just thought you guys might want to know.
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I have to agree,no reason to lie about a product,it always seems like these negative attitudes are the norm with archers,when these kind of products come out.looks like a great product,i hope it works out cause i sure would like one myself.............
yeah.. we all know that no manufacturer lie's or stretches the truth about there products. Not saying they are. But the Windstalker was huge for awhile and promised the world to archers about all the bonus's with using one compared to the stock ones. And having Staff shooters and now they are non-existant.. We will see when more people try them. I would like to see one up close though....
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In response to Radar's posting: "Ya I know a guy at my club who put one on his Hoyt target bow when he got his new strings and cables put on and after about 15 shots it chewed thru his cables and broke em. brand new strings right in the trash. I am a speed freak but you can keep that perticular gadget".

I'd like to re-iterate that the cables need to be served in order to protect them. It's not listed in the company literature, but it needs done. Take a look at matthews bows and others that use a roller cam system, and you'll see that their cables are served to protect them.

Relating to the changes in draw weight/length, I spoke to the rep from Bowturbow, and he told me that the draw weight will increase SLIGHTLY.
The device needs to be moved front/back on the bar until you find the 'sweet spot' where the gain in speed is the greatest without increasing draw weight dramatically.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:43 PM   #64
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i owned a bow built in the 70's. it had 2 small pully's on the riser. you had to run the cables over them to increase the poundage to max. you could also change the draw weight with them as well in 5 pound increments. so it looks like an new twist on an old idea. come to think of it i wish i still had that bow. good shooter.
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i just purchased one of these bowturbow piece of junk.. with in 50-60 shots i started to noitice string wear on a brand new set of strings that had maybe 100 shots on them.. lets just say for 79.95 from the dealer it aint worth the money.. i'm gonna have to eat the 29.95 for the offset rod cause i shoot a pse i had to cut it so it would be short enough and it would not leave enough room for my qad dropaway. i also had to retime my dropaway.. i noitced more noise also from my bow when i drawed it back.. the only thing i can say about it is that it made it a lil smoother to draw.. it will be back in the mail
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