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Old 02-15-2011, 09:38 AM   #1
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I'm playing around with back weight on my hunter class setup and I found an old 12" Toxonics New Balance bar in my extra box. Question is : according to the ASA rules as I read it, as long as the back of the bar doesn't exceed 8" or extend past the string plane ? This would mean I would have 5" sticking out the front....is that legal also ?

I don't even want to play with it if I find out it'd not ASA legal setup.
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I'm playing around with back weight on my hunter class setup and I found an old 12" Toxonics New Balance bar in my extra box. Question is : according to the ASA rules as I read it, as long as the back of the bar doesn't exceed 8" or extend past the string plane ? This would mean I would have 5" sticking out the front....is that legal also ?

I don't even want to play with it if I find out it'd not ASA legal setup.
Not sure where you read "the back of the bar doesn't exceed 8" or extend past the string plane", but here is the 2011 rules...

Stabilizer Rule - A front stabilizer (or system including quick releases and/or enhancers) may be used, but may not exceed twelve inches (12) in total length from the tip of the stabilizer (or system) to the point of attachment on the front of the riser provided by the manufacturer. A rear stabilizer or counter balance weight system may be used with a maximum of two extensions, but may not extend more than six inches (6) in length as measured from either: (1) the point of attachment on the rear of the riser provided by the manufacturer, or (2) if there is no rear point of attachment the system may not extend more than six inches (6) beyond the back of the grip.

This is still a bit vague or unclear. Before Paris last year, I called the ASA National Office and was basically told that as long as my back bar doesn't go past the string, I'll be OK. So all year I used a 8" B-Stinger back bar on a knuckle off the side of my riser in the quiver hole, even had my bow inspected at two different qualifiers.. Fast forward to the Oklahoma State Championship... My bow was protested half-way through the shoot, and was told by the State Director to either remove my back bar or be disqualified. His and the course owner's interpretation of the rule was that the bar could be 6" long.

The rule is very vague and deffiinately open to interpretation, so with that said, I think as long as you are not doing anything too wild looking to get your bow noticed by someone else, you will be OK. Will your Toxonics bar be legal...
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:13 PM   #3
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Yeah, the 8" idea was from last year...from the front of my attachment to the string was 8", so I used an 8" AEP angled down just enough so that it didn't stick out past the string plane. So the amount of stabilizer sticking out forward of the riser won't make a difference ? If I set the New Balance where it's end is even with the string, then I'll have about 5" pointing toward the front.....but I guess two front stabilizers are acceptable ?

The last thing I want is to have happen to me what happened to you....that had to have sucked !!!!
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I think you will be asked to remove it if you have any of it sticking out the front, which would be making two front stabs.

I did stink a bit, but still finished 3rd because of a few dropped points after the protest. I shot 3 or 4 8's early in the round too, so I can't blame the stabilizer protest on not winning, shot my own self in the foot there. I ended up one or two points behind second, I made a bad shot on the last target, and that's what put me third. Definately was obtainable.
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Tmax, I didn't know you got protested.. So which ruling over rules? State or what you are told by Asa?
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Tmax, I didn't know you got protested.. So which ruling over rules? State or what you are told by Asa?
Yep, they never would tell me who did it though. Would have like to have stuck my toungue out at em or maybe mooned them

At the State Championship, Darrell Trout and Rick Stubblefield both interpreted the rule as that the back bar cannot be longer than 6" from the attachment point. In my case I had a knuckle w/ an 8" back bar located low on the side of my riser w/ it angled down and out.

Oh well... I didn't lose because of the ruling, just flat out didn't shoot up to my potential at the time, droping a few points early, then making a bad shot on the last target.
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Well darn it, Paris will be my first ASA of this season....sounds like I better find a different back bar of some kind. So it doesn't matter if you angle it down or out huh ? They were just concerned about the length ?

I read that rule you posted again and I don't see anything about two front stabs...but you think they are not allowed ?
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Mike Smith is measuring from the throat of the grip 6" don't matter if it's down or out it can't be longer than 6" from the throat of the grip..
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Well darn it, Paris will be my first ASA of this season....sounds like I better find a different back bar of some kind. So it doesn't matter if you angle it down or out huh ? They were just concerned about the length ?

I read that rule you posted again and I don't see anything about two front stabs...but you think they are not allowed ?
At State, they were only concerned about length, not the angle. The one stab up front is what I have understood it as, though it doesn't specifically say "ONE".
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Mike Smith is measuring from the throat of the grip 6" don't matter if it's down or out it can't be longer than 6" from the throat of the grip..
See, now there's another interpretation of the rule I hadn't thought of.
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As seen in this thread, there are quite a few ways the back bar rule can be interpreted. I'm still of the opinion that as long as you are not doing anything way out there on your Hunter class set-up, nothing will be said to you. Unfortuanately in my case, someone thought my set up was too out there and protested. Though I find it funny, it wasn't protested until I put together a string of five or six 12's and 14's
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As seen in this thread, there are quite a few ways the back bar rule can be interpreted. I'm still of the opinion that as long as you are not doing anything way out there on your Hunter class set-up, nothing will be said to you. Unfortuanately in my case, someone thought my set up was too out there and protested. Though I find it funny, it wasn't protested until I put together a string of five or six 12's and 14's
Mike is measuring everyone and signing off on their cards at all qualifiers...
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Mike is measuring everyone and signing off on their cards at all qualifiers...
That's good. Hopefully Oklahoma will do something similar this year and everyone can get on the same page concerning the rule.
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See, now there's another interpretation of the rule I hadn't thought of.
This is where Mike got that measurement

Stabilizer Rule - A front stabilizer (or system including quick releases and/or enhancers) may be used, but may not exceed twelve inches (12) in total length from the tip of the stabilizer (or system) to the point of attachment on the front of the riser provided by the manufacturer. A rear stabilizer or counter balance weight system may be used with a maximum of two extensions, but may not extend more than six inches (6) in length as measured from either: (1) the point of attachment on the rear of the riser provided by the manufacturer, or (2) if there is no rear point of attachment the system may not extend more than six inches (6) beyond the back of the grip.

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This is where Mike got that measurement

(2) if there is no rear point of attachment the system may not extend more than six inches (6) beyond the back of the grip.[/FONT]
How is he measuring if its attached low in the quiver hole?

Does he just take a 6" ruler/rod and put to the throat and then if he can't touch the end of the back bar, he make em change it.
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Let me re-phrase my question...

Does he measure radially from the throat or does he measure looking from the side of the bow perpendicular to the string?


Sorry to keep asking questions, I"m just trying to understand the rule.
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While your answering questions Javi (great to see you around...kinda lost you for awhile there) is there any ruling on multiple front stabilizers ?
I'd be using a 10.5" Fuse Blade stab and about 5" of a New Balance bar sticking out front to the side. This would leave only 5 1/2" of the New Balance rod extending past the connection point on the front of the bow.

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Let me re-phrase my question...

Does he measure radially from the throat or does he measure looking from the side of the bow perpendicular to the string?


Sorry to keep asking questions, I"m just trying to understand the rule.
He has a gage that he places against the throat of the grip and then holds perpendicular to the string... looks down and if the rear bar is longer than the gage you fix it.. some take a weight off, some angle the bar ect...
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He has a gage that he places against the throat of the grip and then holds perpendicular to the string... looks down and if the rear bar is longer than the gage you fix it.. some take a weight off, some angle the bar ect...
Thanks for the explanation JAVI
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It doesn't matter how long they are......Just so they do not extend more then 6inches towards the front side of the bow...( towards the shooter)

example 12in stablizers connected on the front side ....but are directed straight down.
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your talking Hunter and Novice I believe, Just go into Open C
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Shot open C, moved up to open B for a couple of years....decided to go away from scope/slider/long stab combo and focus on one bow, hunting style. But I've shot a back bar for so long in the open class I'm used to it. I even hunt with a back bar....but that's just me.
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