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Old 08-19-2011, 08:27 PM   #1
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Default Anyone shoot 4 blazers in a 4 vein pattern?

I was just curious if anyone does and if I should. +/-

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Old 08-20-2011, 12:08 AM   #2
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I thought about it myself but not sure what the advantage would be. Alittle curious about this myself. Would it help with broadheads or is this a target set up only? Saw a guy shooting that set up at an ASA shoot. His arrows always seemed to fly straight and smooth.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:41 AM   #3
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I have done it before with 4 mini blazers with a 1 degree offset. It steers broadhead really well.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:47 AM   #4
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I thimk I am going to try it some arrows I need to refletch and see how it goes.
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4 fletch works really well with broadheads


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Old 08-20-2011, 09:10 AM   #6
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Default blazers are the worst fletchings

Their a complete wast of money. There's a similar vane by vanetec and it's more durable and it actually stays on the arrow. I use to only use quick spins but once I tried vanetec vanes I was sold.
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:13 AM   #7
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Default steering broadheads?

If you paper tune your bow it wont matter what vanes you use.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:25 PM   #8
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Ive even seen knuckleheads use 6 vanes. 4 vanes is 33% more work to build, 33% more cost and more maintainence. makes no sense
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I have used 4 fletched arrows for hunting for years. Works real well with a 4 blade Muzzy.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:33 PM   #10
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Their a complete wast of money. There's a similar vane by vanetec and it's more durable and it actually stays on the arrow. I use to only use quick spins but once I tried vanetec vanes I was sold.
Thats funny.....I been using them for over 6 years now and have had no problems at all. Maybe I'm just lucky
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:42 AM   #11
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Their a complete wast of money. There's a similar vane by vanetec and it's more durable and it actually stays on the arrow. I use to only use quick spins but once I tried vanetec vanes I was sold.
The extra vane will actually help guide the arrow, BUT, WILL add extra drag, and thereby slow your arrow down, If you have more than enough speed, go for it, and
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If you feel that the 33% extra will help you,then by all means , go for it.
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ive done it on target arrows only 2 in and X2 and minis~ i didnt really see much improvement but that was with glue in tips and x~cutters<

but i say try it isnt that 1/2 the fun of making your own stuff
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4 fletch will stabilize quicker than 3 if their size is equal. The only drawback is increased drag, which is what gave you that quicker stabilization in the first place. The results are pretty predictable.
To me the advantage is being able to use a smaller fletch in a 4 pattern that equals the performance of a 3 fletch of longer lenth. A 4 fletch is also more user friendly if you have cable clearance issues. That X pattern takes up less room than a 3 fletch.
To answere the OP,yes I've used Blazers in a 4 fletch pattern, but I found I like 2.5" feathers in that 4 fletch pattern better. Less weight, and feathers give should you muff the release. I'd rather 4 X2's or 4 mini's than the full size regular 2" blazers if you don't like feathers.
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4 fletch will stabilize quicker than 3 if their size is equal. The only drawback is increased drag, which is what gave you that quicker stabilization in the first place. The results are pretty predictable.
To me the advantage is being able to use a smaller fletch in a 4 pattern that equals the performance of a 3 fletch of longer lenth. A 4 fletch is also more user friendly if you have cable clearance issues. That X pattern takes up less room than a 3 fletch.
To answere the OP,yes I've used Blazers in a 4 fletch pattern, but I found I like 2.5" feathers in that 4 fletch pattern better. Less weight, and feathers give should you muff the release. I'd rather 4 X2's or 4 mini's than the full size regular 2" blazers if you don't like feathers.
I would take Red's advice, one aspect with 4 Blazers are said to improve accuracy in windy conditions, such as crosswinds at certain ranges.
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I'm not saying 4 blazers are needed. A 4 fletch pattern in equal lenth with 3 fletch will obviously stabalize faster. Again, the beauty of 4 fletch is being able to use smaller fletching, and if you have a clearance issue, X pattern clears quicker. That's about it. A 4 fletch 3" should do what a 3 fletch 4" fletch does. It's all about resistance and clearance. Shoot what suites you needs.
4x3 or 3x4 is equal.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:22 AM   #16
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While many feel they need a 4 fletch, I think it is too complicated to set up, though Jo Jo Jan jigs can accomplish 4 fletch set ups, if your current 3 fletch works for you, why change it?
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I think if you properly tune your bow there is no advantage in using 4 vanes.
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I think if you properly tune your bow there is no advantage in using 4 vanes.
You have my vote Gator!
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4 fletch is no harder to set up than 3 fletch Barry, so long as your jig can do a 4 fletch. No biggie.
The advantage is if you have a clearance issue. That's it.
Do you need it? One never knows untill they actually try it and compare.
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Ive even seen knuckleheads use 6 vanes.
You may have to invent an adjective to describe me....I've done 8!!!
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