rage vs. swacker

[Chris]

Originally Posted by grizz49

Chris,

The reason that head is popular at your shop is because Rage, that is Feild Logic is spending a ton of advertising on TV and magazines to promote there product. They have been out long enough that some issues are showing up with them. Again as stated in other threads $40.00 is a lot to pay for Aluminum. Give me a ready sharp stick already fixed and ready to cut. Amen!

I totally agree that they are pumping a lot of advertising $ at the Rage head. However, my customers bringing in harvest pictures with giant entrance and exit holes is what is selling them in our shop.

[grizz49]

Enough Said On This I Think!

[grizz49]

I guess I'm old school, perfect or neer perfect arrow flight is all that is needed. We don't need to cut the heart in two or lungs, that totally unnessesary. Folks need to buy there equipment early enough and practice, practice and more practice. Making heads like this serves only the guy who picks his bow up just before season. Fred Bear said it best, "the harvesting of animals from the woods starts long before the North wind gets cold, time and study on the range and in the field must be done first"

And as far as whats selling good right now, wait that will change when the new fast and better appears. Eights years at one of the largest Archery Shops in the country taught me that. Good Luck in all you do!

[ruttinbuck]

Even tough I am not shooting them this year, my vote would be for the Rage. But my question about the Swacker is....If anyone is familur with the company Aftershock, they have a head called the Hypershock. You can do a search on some of the hunting sights and they get hammered about not penatrating! I personally think the Swacker opens just like they Hypershock. The difference is Swacker are seen on TV. I do know those Hypershock are in my opinion the best flying head out there, but don't penatrate!? Whats your thoughts on they way Swack heads open? Just a random thought!

[Lavaca Co. Ranch TX]

I have taken several deer with the swacker broadhead. Great bool trails, entry/exit holes. Rage cannot touch them. I have pics for examples...

[oldschool]

Couldn't agree w/ohansolo any more. Put the arrow where you should, and a hole the size of your arrow shaft will kill the deer. (but bigger is better) A shot from a high powered rifle (often even the exit wound) is smaller than an arrow. Double lung or through the pump and your deer is dead and retrievable. It takes discipline to pass on shots that are too far, or not clear enough, but a good shot gets good results. Practice, practice practice...

[NJbowhunter16]

I just started shooting swahkers this season. I shot a doe quartering away hard at about 25yards. the arrow hit her in the last rib and came out through the opposite shoulder and stuckk into the ground. She plowed about 40 yards and went down. The entrance and exit whole on her was huge. You could not piss the blood trail. I am deffinitly going to keep shooting the swahckers

[NJbowhunter16]

I have not heard many good things about rage from a few guys i know that shoot them. But i do know of a new broadhead that is probably worse and i would not recommend to anyone. The new X-systems from crimson talon. They look like they would shoot good and leave a big hole. But once you go to shoot them they fly horrible. They shoot about 8inches different then my feild points. They are simply not accurate at all.

[armyof1]

guys these are the mechanicals that i use . i have ben using them for 4or 5 years now i used to get them at wallmart for $15 ,they stoped selling them last year . i have had nothing but good luck with them and my arrows always seem to go completly through the deer . now the longest shot ive made to date is 35 yrds but they work . i would like to get som new one if i can find them . but anyways i like the razer tip ,that way if they dont open (hasnt happened yet) i still get a good clean cut .

[NJbowhunter16]

opening day doe shot with swahcker

[NJbowhunter16]

If you can not find your broadheads anywhere. you might want to look at the grim reaper razorcuts they are similer to your broadheads.

[armyof1]

thanks for the heads up but i am looking for 2 blade design

[NJbowhunter16]

the swahckers are 2 blade and work very good. i would recommend them

[grizz49]

Chris,

Just for fun could you sent up a Broadhead poll of what worked this year for guys and what did not. By seasons end, that should provide some interesting data. What Broadhead Used and grain weight shot distance, from tree or ground, broadside or quarteing away. anyone else have any ideas.

By the way So far for me the Slick Trick magnum 100 grain 22yards from a tree quarteing away, great blood trail, even if somone else found it.

[Jingaling]

Originally Posted by NJbowhunter16

I just started shooting swahkers this season. I shot a doe quartering away hard at about 25yards. the arrow hit her in the last rib and came out through the opposite shoulder and stuckk into the ground. She plowed about 40 yards and went down. The entrance and exit whole on her was huge. You could not piss the blood trail. I am deffinitly going to keep shooting the swahckers

That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!! so your telling us that you put it quatering away shot and it came out through her shoulder??? Have you ever shot a deer and know how hard it is to go through a shoulder!! Matbe you were using a rifle instead!

[NJbowhunter16]

Originally Posted by Jingaling

That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!! so your telling us that you put it quatering away shot and it came out through her shoulder??? Have you ever shot a deer and know how hard it is to go through a shoulder!! Matbe you were using a rifle instead!

look at the picture i posted that is the exit wound your trying to tell me thats not the shoulder?

[killbambidead]

Originally Posted by Jingaling

That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!! so your telling us that you put it quatering away shot and it came out through her shoulder??? Have you ever shot a deer and know how hard it is to go through a shoulder!! Matbe you were using a rifle instead!

i blew through the top of the front shoulder and the back shoulder on a doe with my rage 3 blades

[deerslayer17]

i know people who have shot deer at 20 yards and have not gotten pass throughs with the rage expandables. With the swackers however, you dont always get pass throughs but they leave a 2'' cutting diameter soo must of our deer dont run more than 40 yds. They are also much cheaper

[bowtecbowhunter]

Originally Posted by Breck

If you had issues with the 2 blade why would buy the 3 blade? Tune your bow good and get broadheads and be done with it.

You spent $40+ bucks for 3 another 3 thats $80 that a lot for 6 heads. You can get 12 slick tricks for that price.

Chris, I have test shot these heads and they do not open all the time. I blade will open the other will get binded by the other. Does not happen all the time. The one's I have I shot several times at a target at least 3 time's they did not open properly. Try it for yourself.

exactly if you tried RAGE once and it failed you WHY WOULD YOU TRY IT AGAIN, and breck is wrong I just bought SLICK TRICK GRIZZ TRICKS an they are $30.00 for 3 which means you could get 9 heads instead of 6.

[Bow Crazy]

So what we have learned here is several things , no one can agree on which is the better mechanical broad head , both make a gaping exit would when they pass through if they deploy , the o-ring seems to be a concern to a lot of you with the Rage and the old timers just ain't going to change no matter what people do or say. Well that was helpful BUT I do know this , the Rage flies very well , I have never had one deploy in flight despite what others say happens , I have never lost a deer with one and the blood trails are nasty . Now my friend that convinced me to change to Rage from a fixed blade (Crimson Talon) has since changed to a Swacker and wants me to do the same, NOT HAPPENING !!! I am very confident with the Rage broad head and it's abilty to cleanly kill the animal with one shot . So this is what I have learned from this forum #1 If you take irresponsible shots you will get negitive results reguarless of the broad head , #2 you can only gain confidence by a lot of practice. #3 check your equipment every time you go out to hunt with it (we owe that to the animal ) that means the broad heads are sharp and clean ! I appreciate the input

[jungoee1]

Originally Posted by Werd

Yes they are? They are used as a shock adsorber, and the blade " slips " under it to keep it locked.

Alot of ppl take the extra o rings and put them around the blades,dont do that they are replacements!!!!!.if you take a rage out of the package it will open if you push it thru a peice of paper!if it dont open thru a deer it shouldnt open at all!!,they put something together wrong!!!ive shot 13 deer with rage never had a problem.

[BowhuntnHoosier]

From all the huntin shows on TV I would say nothing is as good as a RAGE.

[JakeTN8point]

I have shot thunderheads since i was 12 but im wanting swith to rage to any advive?

[mtbowhunter]

I watched Randy Ulmer shoot at the Rage 100yd shoot off at the ATA show a few years ago. He lost the shoot because the Rage blades deployed in mid flight. Randy knows how to make anything shoot perfectly and they didnt stay together. Enough said.

I use a Rocket Hammerhead on deer sized game. They leave a hole you can put your fist through and NEVER fail! The Sidewinder is good too. I really like the Steelhead XL for durability though. Its a Titanium Nitride drill bit with blades. Any of the Rocket heads get my vote! The Meat Seakers are Awsome deer slayers as well!! GO ROCKET!!!!!!!!

[Chris]

Originally Posted by mtbowhunter

I watched Randy Ulmer shoot at the Rage 100yd shoot off at the ATA show a few years ago. He lost the shoot because the Rage blades deployed in mid flight. Randy knows how to make anything shoot perfectly and they didnt stay together. Enough said.

I use a Rocket Hammerhead on deer sized game. They leave a hole you can put your fist through and NEVER fail! The Sidewinder is good too. I really like the Steelhead XL for durability though. Its a Titanium Nitride drill bit with blades. Any of the Rocket heads get my vote! The Meat Seakers are Awsome deer slayers as well!! GO ROCKET!!!!!!!!

I saw this same shoot-off. I wouldn't expect any mechanical to stay together after that many shots. Most people would check the o'rings and change them after shooting. They shot these same heads over and over without checking for bent blades, bad o'rings or anything.

[Lwapo]

My rage broadhead kill from earlier this year.

This is the hole next to a TWO LITER OF MT. DEW.

Yes, a 2 liter, not a 20oz.

"Tracking" (and I use the quotation marks because tracking with holes like this is a joke) is very easy due to the INSANE amount of blood that comes out. It looks like someone murdered a family with a chainsaw... it's amazing.

[AKbowhunter38]

I took a Kodiak Brown bear in 2008 with a 100gn Rage broad head from about 6 yards. Had a clean pass through and the bear went about 70 yards. In 2011 I took an Illinois white tail from a tree stand about 23 yards. Once again, had a clean pass through and the deer went about 40 feet. From what Ive seen, Rage hits kill faster than Swhackers.

[OneMustFall]

Ive never used a swacker before but i have used rage 2-3 blade with great success.they make a huge hole and massive blood trails.
Never had any open in quiver or any other odd ball stuff,very good broad head.

[red44]

I will never use a Rage head. They took an old friend (snyper/gator), whored it out by throwing tons of money in advertising at it, even when we have all seen the lack of penetration on TV. That and the fact that like the original snyper they are a 1 and done head. I mostly hate the $$ thrown at it to make us think(cyber brain wash) it's the best head. They will never get a dime from me. Hope they choke to death. Barre/Rocky Mountain, for shame, you let a good cat out of the bag and allowed it to pimped. Hope you enjoy the money. Did this sound to personal? I hate this kind of **** and we see it in every product in our lives. cars to dish soap.

[rage-it]

Originally Posted by red44

I will never use a Rage head. They took an old friend (snyper/gator), whored it out by throwing tons of money in advertising at it, even when we have all seen the lack of penetration on TV. That and the fact that like the original snyper they are a 1 and done head. I mostly hate the $$ thrown at it to make us think(cyber brain wash) it's the best head. They will never get a dime from me. Hope they choke to death. Barre/Rocky Mountain, for shame, you let a good cat out of the bag and allowed it to pimped. Hope you enjoy the money. Did this sound to personal? I hate this kind of **** and we see it in every product in our lives. cars to dish soap.

Every deer I have shot with the rage heads went right threw them my set up this year is

Elite hunter bow set on 65 lbs
Easton FMJ they are 427 grains

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[red44]

I'm happy for you, honestly. I just can't.
I'm still using a older/slower Mathews than your Elite, and 57-60 lbs approximately. (no scale)
I just hate the marketing/money hype. They bought the rights to a good working head, made it worse (IMO) and paid alot of people to use it, to sell it to us. That's where I'm at, right or wrong, I will never use one. Paid pimps selling us a lesser head IMO.

[rage-it]

Originally Posted by red44

I'm happy for you, honestly. I just can't.
I'm still using a older/slower Mathews than your Elite, and 57-60 lbs approximately. (no scale)
I just hate the marketing/money hype. They bought the rights to a good working head, made it worse (IMO) and paid alot of people to use it, to sell it to us. That's where I'm at, right or wrong, I will never use one. Paid pimps selling us a lesser head IMO.

I understand what your saying. IMO there are alot if good heads out there its just whatever you want to shoot

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[wilkersonhunter]

I've shot the rage 2 blade for 2 years now and everything I've shot I've recovered in less than a 100yds. I like them and I will continue to use them

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[Buckslayer24]

I guess I'll stop shooting rage 2 blades when the deer stop falling inside 75 yds.

Stop taking crappy shots, and you will stop getting crappy results.