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Old 09-19-2012, 07:27 AM   #1
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I need help! I have struggled with target panic for a long time. I am going to switch from my trigger release to something different. Can any one tell me if a pull through release or back tension release is better? Thanks
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I would recommend a good back tension and plenty of blank bale training. IMHO a pull thruogh release works best with excellent form. Most of us dont have that form.
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A back tension release only works if you use it as a back tension release.

I ve seen a few guys using hinges and thumb triggers who are doing nothing but twisting the release to go off or hitting the trigger with there thumb to send the arrow then call it back tension and wonder why they are still jerking with target panic at the shot. Spend the time need to properly use back tension or all your doing is prolonging the problem.
Once you learn back tension you can fire any release with back tension. I use back tension to fire off my trigger release while hunting, it is the same tension I use to fire off my thumb release and it is the same tension I use for my hinge. When I'm target practiseing I switch back and forth between the different releases just so I don't anticepate the release on any one release.

Back tension is not a easy fix,alot of blank bale shooting, and shooting with your eye's closed and up close are needed to ingrain back tension. It doesn't happen over night and if your cheating and trying to hit a spot at the same time your trying to learn back tension you will fail. You have to learn to release the arrow with back tension without thinking about back tension, you cannot concentrate on both things at the same time.

I think of it as building tension in the middle of my back. I draw the bow, set my anchor points, stare my point of aim down, and start building pressure in the middle of my shoulder blades which draws into the back stops. This puts the extra pressure into my hands which triggers the release. On a hinge I can feel the release slipping in my hand which rotates and sends the arrow.
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Ok thanks for the replies. That sure helps make up my mind.
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"A back tension release only works if you use it as a back tension release."
True, and that is the thing with any release and fingers.
Target panic is not in the hand but between your ears. Switching release types just gives you something else to consentrate on for the time being. You can "trigger" any release. Don't let the shot go untill your ready. The target is not going anywhere.
Back tension releases can cause their own kind of anxiety.
Take a deep breath, and work on consentrating on the target, not the release.
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Rotational aiming this will be done at your normal aiming distance – hang up the target faces that tends to give you the most problems.
Now draw your bow back with an arrow and try to settle in on the X – hold it there as long as you can before you start to get to shakey (( Don’t shoot the arrow - -Let Down ) – this could be 5 seconds or 15 seconds
At the beginning of this step I have witnessed people all of a sudden jump or shake as if hit by a electric zapper – this would be the mental fear – panic and the result of the tremor was your panic wanting to fire the bow will you are training on patience in time the zap effect will be gone.
You need to pull up aim as long as you can and let down 9 times then shoot your 10th arrow –boring but it works – Now do this every day for a minimum 2 weeks. Try not to shoot for score on any other events during this period.
What you will find is you can come in from different angles I prefer from the top and settle into the zone and actually be relaxed will holding over the x area.

The next process after completing the 2 weeks of the first step
Use a arrow backstop that is large enough to hang a couple target faces – but only hang 1 face up
Now you will have some extra room around the target face.
“If possible” shoot as close to the normal distance you would be shooting the game .say - 20yards
Now take your first arrow draw back and aim and shoot at the blank area of the arrow backstop – normally the shot goes off smooth and easy.
Now take the second arrow and draw back aim and shoot at the X on the target face – this normally is not as easy or smooth – your mind is trying to keep the sight on the x and you tensed a little.
Keep rotating back in forth until the arrow shot at the - x area feels as easy and as smooth as aiming at nothing on the arrow backstop.

Good luck this normally cures a person and the first step – 2 week process is the most important
The second step reassures your mind & motor skills.


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Rotational aiming this will be done at your normal aiming distance – hang up the target faces that tends to give you the most problems.
Now draw your bow back with an arrow and try to settle in on the X – hold it there as long as you can before you start to get to shakey (( Don’t shoot the arrow - -Let Down ) – this could be 5 seconds or 15 seconds
At the beginning of this step I have witnessed people all of a sudden jump or shake as if hit by a electric zapper – this would be the mental fear – panic and the result of the tremor was your panic wanting to fire the bow will you are training on patience in time the zap effect will be gone.
You need to pull up aim as long as you can and let down 9 times then shoot your 10th arrow –boring but it works – Now do this every day for a minimum 2 weeks. Try not to shoot for score on any other events during this period.
What you will find is you can come in from different angles I prefer from the top and settle into the zone and actually be relaxed will holding over the x area.

The next process after completing the 2 weeks of the first step
Use a arrow backstop that is large enough to hang a couple target faces – but only hang 1 face up
Now you will have some extra room around the target face.
“If possible” shoot as close to the normal distance you would be shooting the game .say - 20yards
Now take your first arrow draw back and aim and shoot at the blank area of the arrow backstop – normally the shot goes off smooth and easy.
Now take the second arrow and draw back aim and shoot at the X on the target face – this normally is not as easy or smooth – your mind is trying to keep the sight on the x and you tensed a little.
Keep rotating back in forth until the arrow shot at the - x area feels as easy and as smooth as aiming at nothing on the arrow backstop.

Good luck this normally cures a person and the first step – 2 week process is the most important
The second step reassures your mind & motor skills.


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"A back tension release only works if you use it as a back tension release."
True, and that is the thing with any release and fingers.
Target panic is not in the hand but between your ears. Switching release types just gives you something else to consentrate on for the time being. You can "trigger" any release. Don't let the shot go untill your ready. The target is not going anywhere.
Back tension releases can cause their own kind of anxiety.
Take a deep breath, and work on consentrating on the target, not the release.
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get your shot senquence in your mind and practice it and the painic will go wy
when you leave it it will return for that shot
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Rotational aiming this will be done at your normal aiming distance – hang up the target faces that tends to give you the most problems.
Now draw your bow back with an arrow and try to settle in on the X – hold it there as long as you can before you start to get to shakey (( Don’t shoot the arrow - -Let Down ) – this could be 5 seconds or 15 seconds
At the beginning of this step I have witnessed people all of a sudden jump or shake as if hit by a electric zapper – this would be the mental fear – panic and the result of the tremor was your panic wanting to fire the bow will you are training on patience in time the zap effect will be gone.
You need to pull up aim as long as you can and let down 9 times then shoot your 10th arrow –boring but it works – Now do this every day for a minimum 2 weeks. Try not to shoot for score on any other events during this period.
What you will find is you can come in from different angles I prefer from the top and settle into the zone and actually be relaxed will holding over the x area.

The next process after completing the 2 weeks of the first step
Use a arrow backstop that is large enough to hang a couple target faces – but only hang 1 face up
Now you will have some extra room around the target face.
“If possible” shoot as close to the normal distance you would be shooting the game .say - 20yards
Now take your first arrow draw back and aim and shoot at the blank area of the arrow backstop – normally the shot goes off smooth and easy.
Now take the second arrow and draw back aim and shoot at the X on the target face – this normally is not as easy or smooth – your mind is trying to keep the sight on the x and you tensed a little.
Keep rotating back in forth until the arrow shot at the - x area feels as easy and as smooth as aiming at nothing on the arrow backstop.

Good luck this normally cures a person and the first step – 2 week process is the most important
The second step reassures your mind & motor skills.


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Rotational aiming this will be done at your normal aiming distance – hang up the target faces that tends to give you the most problems.
Now draw your bow back with an arrow and try to settle in on the X – hold it there as long as you can before you start to get to shakey (( Don’t shoot the arrow - -Let Down ) – this could be 5 seconds or 15 seconds
At the beginning of this step I have witnessed people all of a sudden jump or shake as if hit by a electric zapper – this would be the mental fear – panic and the result of the tremor was your panic wanting to fire the bow will you are training on patience in time the zap effect will be gone.
You need to pull up aim as long as you can and let down 9 times then shoot your 10th arrow –boring but it works – Now do this every day for a minimum 2 weeks. Try not to shoot for score on any other events during this period.
What you will find is you can come in from different angles I prefer from the top and settle into the zone and actually be relaxed will holding over the x area.

The next process after completing the 2 weeks of the first step
Use a arrow backstop that is large enough to hang a couple target faces – but only hang 1 face up
Now you will have some extra room around the target face.
“If possible” shoot as close to the normal distance you would be shooting the game .say - 20yards
Now take your first arrow draw back and aim and shoot at the blank area of the arrow backstop – normally the shot goes off smooth and easy.
Now take the second arrow and draw back aim and shoot at the X on the target face – this normally is not as easy or smooth – your mind is trying to keep the sight on the x and you tensed a little.
Keep rotating back in forth until the arrow shot at the - x area feels as easy and as smooth as aiming at nothing on the arrow backstop.

Good luck this normally cures a person and the first step – 2 week process is the most important
The second step reassures your mind & motor skills.


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Good advice. I was at a shoot in St. Louis one time and Earl Hoyt was there. I was having target panic issues. I went over to his shop an he helped me out. He said to tell yourself that you are in control and not to shoot until I was ready. I went home and tried at home. I hung a target and got close, with an arrow nocked I would aim and hold. Mentally I would shoot the arrow. I was developing a shot sequence and did not change from it. After probably two weeks I finally shot the arrow then mentally do it again. It takes a while to get your confidence back and control.
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Good advice. I was at a shoot in St. Louis one time and Earl Hoyt was there. I was having target panic issues. I went over to his shop an he helped me out. He said to tell yourself that you are in control and not to shoot until I was ready. I went home and tried at home. I hung a target and got close, with an arrow nocked I would aim and hold. Mentally I would shoot the arrow. I was developing a shot sequence and did not change from it. After probably two weeks I finally shot the arrow then mentally do it again. It takes a while to get your confidence back and control.
I found that target panic only develops when you give a **** what others think!!!!I don't give a **** so i don't get target panic anymore and normally end up beating them dumb pricks on most given Weekends!!!Hey it works for me!!!!
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A back tension release only works if you use it as a back tension release.

I ve seen a few guys using hinges and thumb triggers who are doing nothing but twisting the release to go off or hitting the trigger with there thumb to send the arrow then call it back tension and wonder why they are still jerking with target panic at the shot. Spend the time need to properly use back tension or all your doing is prolonging the problem.
Once you learn back tension you can fire any release with back tension. I use back tension to fire off my trigger release while hunting, it is the same tension I use to fire off my thumb release and it is the same tension I use for my hinge. When I'm target practiseing I switch back and forth between the different releases just so I don't anticepate the release on any one release.

Back tension is not a easy fix,alot of blank bale shooting, and shooting with your eye's closed and up close are needed to ingrain back tension. It doesn't happen over night and if your cheating and trying to hit a spot at the same time your trying to learn back tension you will fail. You have to learn to release the arrow with back tension without thinking about back tension, you cannot concentrate on both things at the same time.

I think of it as building tension in the middle of my back. I draw the bow, set my anchor points, stare my point of aim down, and start building pressure in the middle of my shoulder blades which draws into the back stops. This puts the extra pressure into my hands which triggers the release. On a hinge I can feel the release slipping in my hand which rotates and sends the arrow.
You mean that a backtension release isn't REALLY a backtension release??:banghead: Now if you can get about 70% of the rest of the "experts" to comprehend that backtension is only a "method" of release...why it would be unicorns and glitter for everyone.

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While I understand what you are saying; if we don't call them BT releases, then what do we call them?
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While I understand what you are saying; if we don't call them BT releases, then what do we call them?
No,no,no....don't take that wrong. I know they are backtension releases. I'm just saying that just because they are releases that are to be prodomtily released by the backtension method, they can in fact be fired without using backtension at all. Simply meaning that a person can buy a hinge release, and never use backtension to fire it, thinking that just because they shoot with a hinge, with no "Trigger to punch", they shoot USING backtension when in fact MOST of them are just rotating their wrist to fire it.

Now I know that some of the people here are gonna argue, "well the release has to rotate to fire", and yes it does. But HOW you get it to rotate determines if you are using it properly.

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Okey dokey... I will try to refrain from that lol. I tell y'all one thing, I got a better welcome here than I did on AT. I still frequent the AT people, but it seems that the atmosphere is better here. Thanks for the warm welcome!

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About the only thing we argue about here is who makes the best cup of coffee and who's turn it is to buy.


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Target Panic is what we make of it, willing or unwilling its the fear of missing while others are watching or when we are out of our comfort zone. Normally the focus is on trying to not miss versus confidence in shooting and hitting the intended


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i hate TP the only thing that helped me was BT but i do just rotate my wrist just like most if not all the Fita shooters
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