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Old 03-04-2006, 08:01 PM   #1
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Default Nock Tuning and the Hooter Shooter

We recently have been doing some testing in the shop with the Hooter Shooter. How often do you wonder if all of your arrows are capable of hitting the X? I was wondering this so we setup the Hooter Shooter for 20 yard indoors.

Test1:
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Goldtip Series 22 Pro w/unibushings and Easton Super 3D Nocks
12 arrows, 6 one color vanes, 6 another color.

Here is what we found; There is something to the colors. Each colored grouped but in a different spot. The groups were off by only about 1/2" but still different places. After checking carefully, it was a difference in old style 3D duravanes vs. new style. They have changed slightly. You can tell by the logo on the vane.

One Problem Arrow
This one arrow hit nearly 3 inches higher than the group. So we turned the nock 1/3 of a turn and re-shot it. It still hit about 2.5" high and a bit to the right of the major group. Turned the nock again by 1/3rd. Now it's back in the first hole, still nearly 3 inches higher than the main group.

Well, at this point we pulled and replaced the nock. One tweak to it and it hit right with the major group. The whole group was approx 1" high. Not too bad but I expected better. Disclaimer, we only used a 3 power scope and aimed for the center X. Higher power would have allowed tighter aiming.

Test2:
Mathews Apex7
Goldtip Series 22 Pro w/Goldtip Pin Nocks
2.25" Quikspin vanes all same color.

Now this was a very interesting test. Using 6 arrows I was able to achieve a group of about an arrow width and half. That's right the arrows hit the same hole or only 1/2 an arrow off of the same hole. It was amazing.

Again a problem arrow.
There was an exception. While fletching the shafts, I had 1 vane pull up slightly and when I got it stick it was slightly crooked. This caused this one arrow to hit 2" high at 20 yards. I tested it 3 times. Each time it was high. Fixed the fletching and all was good.

I shot this group of arrows twice and it was amazing to watch them all go into the same hole.

Creep Tuning a Single cam?
Now here is another interesting item. Since this is a Single cam I thought what would happen if we pulled really hard into the wall or crept slightly. With the hooter shooter, I can easly do this.

I adjusted the hooter shooter to be 2 clicks harder into the wall and then 2 click in front of the wall. This caused a draw length variance of 1/2" which is a lot.

The result. ARROWS STILL IN THE SAME HOLE. I don't know if it is just this bow or the combination of the bow and these arrows. This really amazed me.

Summary
I will test every batch of arrows I shoot from now on. We have found that the pin nock system seems to be superior to every other nock. At least as far as arrow groupings out of the machine. The Easton Super 3D Nocks are very good but I would still test and tune them.

Had we left the arrows in the hole on Test #2, I am sure we would have had a robinhood or at the least a damaged arrow.

I want to know that when I make a good shot, that arrow has every chance of hitting the X. Are you sure your arrows will all fly into the same spot?

We hope to do some more testing with other arrows, nocks and bows in the future.
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Old 03-04-2006, 08:09 PM   #2
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Color made a difference???? And do you think the quikspins had anything to do w/those groups, on the apex 7, What fletchings were you using on the apex. See, some swear that a longer axle to axle bow w/longer brace height will shoot better, knew I was making a good choice in the Apex 7!
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WOW!!! Thats awsom info!!!!!! I might have to put mine on the shooter at our local shop, just to play!! Thanks for posting Chris
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Old 03-04-2006, 10:15 PM   #4
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The apex had 3D Duravanes on it. A bunch of the guys are in Columbus GA for the ASA. When they get back I am sure we will do more testing on the same Apex and possibly some other vanes.

The Apex 7 was incredible. I had drawn a circle around the hole with a line off of it. I started numbering them 1, 2, etc.

What was really neat was walking down there and seeing the arrow in the hole with the circle around it shot after shot.
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Old 03-05-2006, 10:12 AM   #5
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Man that is some good info, I think that I would love to do some testing. I try to nock tune my stuff but its with me shooting it so there is always room for error... Colors made a difference? did'nt know that would make a difference, I guess ya learn something new everyday.
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hey Chris what color made the best group, just wondering? Please say black, please say black.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:16 AM   #7
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UPDATE:
I modified my post on the 3D Duravane differences. What we thought was only a color difference turned out to be a difference in the product. 3D Duravanes have a new logo on them. The vanes with the old logo shot different than the vanes with the new logo. Obviously, something has changed with them. Hopefully, it's not just a color issue.

Secondly, we were able to test some CXL shafts with Beiter nocks. These too flew and group great also. The group was about the same as the gold tips with pin nocks. I have had mixed results with Beiters but some of our staff shooters love them.
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Old 03-07-2006, 02:39 PM   #8
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Now all you have to do is figure out a way to lug the HOOTER SHOOTER to a shoot and shoot for you........ .....I'm sure it's great for testing arrows, bows and other equipment, but you can't duplicate the person holding that bow and shooting the arrow.
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I agree you can't duplicate the person holding the bow. That was not the goal. We were trying to make sure the arrows were capable of hitting the same hole at 20 yards.

I'd rather know they can do it instead of wondering if I just made a bad shot.
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What type of rest is on your apex. Also if you ever test easton fatboys could you please post results. Off topic for chris, do you have the new Stan Super X trio?
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The rest is a trophy taker spring steel with the wide launcher.

The Super X, they are on order with Copper John. We are waiting patiently for them to come in. We have the Mag Micro and Micro III.
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Default Group Tuning Results

Here is the result of my last group tune using CX X-Jammers where I spent quite a bit of time squaring shafts, fletching in the same jig, paper tuning and ajusting weight to get a perfect hole then to the Hooter Shooter. Note this group spread (c-c) is less than 1/2".
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How about getting a dozen junker arrows and showing us the mess you could make w/that thing. love the noise, boys

If I were you i would move that target to someplace w/a softer back drop. hehehehe
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Like to see the same test done with the Blazer vanes. Seem to be a popular vane at most shoots around here. This could be the deciding factor for alot of shooters on their choice of vanes. Will look forward to any updates.



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Default Blazer Vanes

Last year, I posted a thread on AT regarding my testing on a set of Easton Fatboys (Via Hooter-Shooter) where the only difference in arrows was vanes - I made up a second dozen and fletched them with 2.25" Quickspins rather than the Blazers which were on the first set. Both sets were prepped the same way. All testing was done with the same bow in the Hooter Shooter - no adjustments were made between arrows. Both sets of vanes had the same offset.

The Quickspin fletched arrows grouped tighter and hit about 1" higher (group)than my blazer fletched arrows. This was not a fluke of 1 or 2 arrows but the whole dozen (shot a dozen of each kind). In both cases the groups were not as tight as shown above but with some nock twisting I got the groups down to about 1" max variation with most of the arrows near the same hole - just a couple that did not seem to want to group - these hit left. Those were marked and used for short range practice (blank baling, etc).

This is just my experience - I am sure somebody else has more info.
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