Best New Bow for under $400??? - Page 2

Ronhop · 03-24-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

SUPERB POST RON..............

I personally HAVE shot a MISSION X3 and its great SMOOTH shooting bow for the money.......

SORRY TO BURST THE BASHERS BUBBLES

Thanks bud, I was not trying to develop a 'sermon' but that's what it turned out to be.

Problem is that you can't tell if it's bashing or not since posting/emails/PM's have no 'inflection'...

It's easier to have a good conversation over a beer or two and a card game. Hard to do when we're all spread out....

I just get tired of the "this is better than that" stuff. I experience it with my buddies all the time. The "Gold Tip vs. Easton" argument has had me laughing for the last 2 years...

The important thing is that we're in a sport that needs to grow and helping people in USEFUL ways is a lot more helpful than communicating things out of emotion.

Guys, be wise about the fact that we like this sport. We need to be ambassadors for it and support it and take a lot of the nonsense based emotion out of it. Of course, doing all that without having fun is a balancing act but we need to just try and help people get into the sport and STAY in the sport...

The Mission bows are nice. I'm not sure which model name I shot. It had a camo riser and black limbs with a WB rest on it and no sight. I shot it 10-12 times I guess and I thought it was very smooth and nice to shoot. Pretty nice, smooth and really light and easy to handle. I'd recommend that somebody try one out. Oops, I already did....

Ron

jcmorgan31 · 03-24-2008, 09:34 PM

Well.....I still like you guys anyway......

Now you know how I fell every time a Martin thread is started.......

STRO · 03-24-2008, 09:37 PM

I just picked up a new vulcan for $400 on AT. You can't beat that for $400. It is a shooter for having such a short brace height. Can't wait to chase some birds with it.

jcmorgan31 · 03-24-2008, 09:41 PM

Looks to me like you Ron and Frank were the first to start your normal bash Martin rhetoric. All I had done up to that point was list the Mission "features" off the website and list the MSRP's.

I asked for some mission features that justifies $400 + msrp's but I ain't getting any. Just some preaching and Smokes ain't even joined in.

If you want to see some real bashing go here.....

http://www.thefbsa.com/my_phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=33

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Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

SUPERB POST RON..............

I personally HAVE shot a MISSION X3 and its great SMOOTH shooting bow for the money.......

SORRY TO BURST THE BASHERS BUBBLES

UltraElite 06 · 03-24-2008, 09:42 PM

Also remember the lower priced martins are 3 piece risers the Mission and most other brands are one piece.

jcmorgan31 · 03-24-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraElite 06

Also remember the martins are 3 piece risers the Mission and most other brands are one piece.

Is that a negative? If so....state the reasons why. It is my understanding that the steel pins and screws actually make for the strongets parts of the Martin riser.

The savings in wasted aluminum during the machining allows Martin to offer all the other "real" features for a much lower price than the rest.

UltraElite 06 · 03-24-2008, 09:49 PM

the reason the 3 piece riser bow are less expensive is because it is a cheaper way of making the riser you need smaller billets of aluminum and there is less waist. One piece is a more costly way to make riser. It is also a stronger riser less areas that can potentially wear and have slop. And a 10 dollar string stop would not make me buy a bow just because it has it.

Ronhop · 03-24-2008, 09:56 PM

Hey JC, I was not bashing Martins at all and I have never come close to bashing a bow brand or model. All I said was the the Bengal and Cheetah had more shock to me than the Mission I shot. To me is how that felt. Could feel different to you or Slippy or Bunnyboy on any given day.

My real point is that everybody feels differently about different bows, after you ACTUALLY shoot them. I shot a Hoyt a few times over the past couple of years and I though they were rough as a 5 day face-stubble on the draw cycle. Problem with bashing them is that guys like Dave Cousins and the like who shoot Hoyts can out shoot us with their eyes closed and 20 yards behind us.

Something to think about.

Ron

archer1983 · 03-24-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

I need a smiley with this one.... are you

or

yeah I may have been slightly "off" my game

Here ya go Justin -->

This work?

On a serious note though; I dont know much about tax write offs but I have a feeling thats why Mission was created, for that exact reason. I know their "mission" wasnt to create a under-priced Mathews bow or the price tag would/should be at the very minuimum half of what was stated.

BUNNYMAN · 03-24-2008, 10:12 PM

Ronhop · 03-24-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by archer1983

yeah I may have been slightly "off" my game

Here ya go Justin -->

This work?

That's hilarious....

Ron

archer1983 · 03-24-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronhop

That's hilarious....

Ron

Glad you think so. Everytime I look at it I almost have a seizure.

jcmorgan31 · 03-24-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraElite 06

the reason the 3 piece riser bow are less expensive is because it is a cheaper way of making the riser you need smaller billets of aluminum and there is less waist. One piece is a more costly way to make riser. It is also a stronger riser less areas that can potentially wear and have slop. And a 10 dollar string stop would not make me buy a bow just because it has it.

Dont just tell me one piece risers are stonger. Prove it. I've heard otherwise...

That is like me stating as fact that Hoyt produces split limbs because it is cheaper and they make more money from the reduced waste. No wait...that wouldn't be the same because their bows aren't cheaper too.....

jcmorgan31 · 03-24-2008, 10:33 PM

I typed "Ron" but I meant "Paul". Sorry Ron.....you've always been pretty neutral.

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Originally Posted by Ronhop

Hey JC, I was not bashing Martins at all and I have never come close to bashing a bow brand or model. All I said was the the Bengal and Cheetah had more shock to me than the Mission I shot. To me is how that felt. Could feel different to you or Slippy or Bunnyboy on any given day.

My real point is that everybody feels differently about different bows, after you ACTUALLY shoot them. I shot a Hoyt a few times over the past couple of years and I though they were rough as a 5 day face-stubble on the draw cycle. Problem with bashing them is that guys like Dave Cousins and the like who shoot Hoyts can out shoot us with their eyes closed and 20 yards behind us.

Something to think about.

Ron

J.C. · 03-24-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Well.....I still like you guys anyway......

Now you know how I fell every time a Martin thread is started.......

Even if we're Nazis? you should pick better friends....

UPSTATE · 03-24-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RONHOP

"And, why would anybody say that the best bow is buying a used Mathews on eBay ? What model ? What Year ? What draw weight/length ?"

Why would I say that? Because I believe it to be good advice. I think Mathews makes the best bow and if you only have 400 bucks to spend then go used. Ebay is a good source. I have bought 2 mathews on ebay and everybody is extremely happy with both of them. They were purchased for young (poor) hunters I brought into the great sport of bowhunting.Get the weight and draw that fits you,Get what model and year you like or can afford. Certainly Slippy will do some research on his own.

jcmorgan31 · 03-24-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J.C.

Even if we're Nazis? you should pick better friends....

Dude...my last name is German. I'm naturally attracted to your kind....

trussoni · 03-24-2008, 11:16 PM

shot a Mission Journey just the other day when i was at the local shop.It felt a lot like my buddies not too old Switchback. Not a bad shooting or feeling bow by any stretch of the imagination.

dbdcougar · 03-25-2008, 03:41 AM

I have to agree on the Bengal being heavy. Another moderately priced bow I liked was a friend's Reflex Bighorn - felt good, liked the draw cycle. That's the thing this is all opinion and personal preference. You could take any of these out this fall and come back with a whitetail. I can't help but wonder if the Martin bashing isn't driven by what goes on at that other site - they make a moderately priced bow offering a pretty good value for the price; but are they perfect, no - but none are.

BowhuntnHoosier · 03-25-2008, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Looks to me like you Ron and Frank were the first to start your normal bash Martin rhetoric. All I had done up to that point was list the Mission "features" off the website and list the MSRP's.

I asked for some mission features that justifies $400 + msrp's but I ain't getting any. Just some preaching and Smokes ain't even joined in.

If you want to see some real bashing go here.....

http://www.thefbsa.com/my_phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=33

I was not bashing Martin. I was saying you and Slippy are pushing KoolAid.

Slippy · 03-25-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronhop

Slippy ? Can you give us more information on what you are trying to accomplish ?

I was wanting to know WHAT THE BEST NEW BOW UNDER $400 WAS Don't give a

if its a Bowtech, Elite, Mission, etc. Just something good for hunting and something functional for non-competitive 3-Ding to use in The Challenge.

03-25-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

I was wanting to know WHAT THE BEST NEW BOW UNDER $400 WAS Don't give a

if its a Bowtech, Elite, Mission, etc. Just something good for hunting and something functional for non-competitive 3-Ding to use in The Challenge.

Slippy, I really have nothing to compare it to, but "I think" you'd do well, if possible, to shoot the PSE Stinger. There's no way I can say it is the "best", because I have not shot every bow on the market. And until someone has, indeed, shot every bow, I can't see how they can come to the conclusion that a single bow is the "best".

jcmorgan31 · 03-25-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

I was not bashing Martin. I was saying you and Slippy are pushing KoolAid.

You know what your're doing.....you NAZI!!!!!!

Slippy · 03-25-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

I was not bashing Martin. I was saying you and Slippy are pushing KoolAid.

........

archer1983 · 03-25-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Dude...my last name is German. I'm naturally attracted to your kind....

Thats just plain wrong, but funny nonetheless.

archer1983 · 03-25-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

The Challenge.

Aww, yes The Challenge.

trussoni · 03-25-2008, 08:44 AM

I dont tend to bash anyones bow because most people can outshoot me with there bow or my bow so......
Me myself i have only owned two bows, an old beat up PSE and my Mathews. I shot a ton of bows before I bought the one I have now and they all shot well its just that my bow picked me.

Ronhop · 03-25-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Dude...my last name is German. I'm naturally attracted to your kind....

Mine last name is German too, in a big way. Some of my buddies call me a Nazi all the time...

Ron

clemenlp · 03-25-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

I was wanting to know WHAT THE BEST NEW BOW UNDER $400 WAS Don't give a

if its a Bowtech, Elite, Mission, etc. Just something good for hunting and something functional for non-competitive 3-Ding to use in The Challenge.

Have to agree. I don't feel that Slip or Morgan were "pushing martin" All I could find were them speaking from experience. Just like all I could use was hear-say from one shop owner. Most would agree that Martin make a good bow for under $400, as does PSE and Parker and some others. SO........

I bought my son his parker a couple years ago for about $300, best deal I could find and he loves that bow. I do want to shoot the new Bear Lines also.

jcmorgan31 · 03-25-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronhop

Mine last name is German too, in a big way. Some of my buddies call me a Nazi all the time...

Ron

Don't you mean Mein last name????

Voltaire · 03-25-2008, 01:27 PM

Why choose a Mission over a Martin? Resale value. If you are like most people who frequent archery forums, you enjoy playing with new toys every year and Martin bows, quite simply, do not hold their value. Even their supposed high end brand, Rytera, can be had brand new for less than 1/2 MSRP. Just ask Slippy.

Slippy · 03-25-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltaire

Why choose a Mission over a Martin? Resale value. If you are like most people who frequent archery forums, you enjoy playing with new toys every year and Martin bows, quite simply, do not hold their value. Even their supposed high end brand, Rytera, can be had brand new for less than 1/2 MSRP. Just ask Slippy.

I'm right here. What do you have to ask me buddy?

Neuralgia · 03-25-2008, 02:01 PM

How about a Diamond "The Rock"

You can get it ready-to-hunt (sights, rest, case, arrows, quiver, silencers, stab, etc) for $500.

Or they bow itself for under your $400.

Depending on what type of bow-user you are it might fit your needs.

If you're new into bows, might work.

Besides, they're made by bowtech (Diamonds uses single cams, Bowtech Binary, only diff), which is one of the top bow manufacturers.

$0.02

Slippy · 03-25-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuralgia

How about a Diamond "The Rock"

Or they bow itself for under your $400.

I'd like to see Elite come out with a sub 4 bow! I'd be snatching up one of those puppies in a heart beat.

jcmorgan31 · 03-25-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltaire

Why choose a Mission over a Martin? Resale value. If you are like most people who frequent archery forums, you enjoy playing with new toys every year and Martin bows, quite simply, do not hold their value. Even their supposed high end brand, Rytera, can be had brand new for less than 1/2 MSRP. Just ask Slippy.

You do realize we are talking Mission and not Mathews right? Mathews has excellent resell.....Mission I doubt so much.....

Neither does Martin....I'm just sayin......

Luckily....I don't buy my bows based on resell......

BUNNYMAN · 03-25-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

I'd like to see Elite come out with a sub 4 bow! I'd be snatching up one of those puppies in a heart beat.

when the wellfare check got there of course, right slip??........

jcmorgan31 · 03-25-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

I'd like to see Elite come out with a sub 4 bow! I'd be snatching up one of those puppies in a heart beat.

Elite is going to be releasing a price point bow this summer. Word is Kevin had to tweak the design to slow it down some. Didn't want it to be faster than the GTO......

dbdcougar · 03-25-2008, 02:32 PM

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Luckily....I don't buy my bows based on resell......

Agreed; I would think that would be at the bottom of a list of reasons to buy a particular model.

Slippy · 03-25-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

when the wellfare check got there of course, right slip??........

yeah, after I walk to the store and buy a carton of Doral's and a 30 pack of Natty Ice.

Oh, and a 5lb bag of off brand cheese puffs.

Slippy · 03-25-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dbdcougar

Agreed; I would think that would be at the bottom of a list of reasons to buy a particular model.

yeah, if that was the case every one of us would own a Mathews and drive a Toyota pick up.

I like buying stuff that ain't worth a pot to pee in after its a couple years old. Keeps the economy going that way.