Best New Bow for under $400???

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Luckily....I don't buy my bows based on resell......

LUCKILY I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT......

[jcmorgan31]

Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

LUCKILY I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT......

Me either. I get everything at dealer cost.


I have seen quiet a few C4s and Drenalins for sale only a year old and their prices aren't that impressive to me. Not like they used to be anyway.

[Voltaire]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

You do realize we are talking Mission and not Mathews right? Mathews has excellent resell.....Mission I doubt so much.....

Neither does Martin....I'm just sayin...... Luckily....I don't buy my bows based on resell......

Yes, which is specifically why I said Mission when I gave one non-bashing reason why to buy a Mission over a Martin. And as far as Mission not having good resale value, a quick search of AT's classifieds and e-bay's completed sales and it looks like they hold their value pretty well to me.

I don't buy my bows based on resale either, but if I were buying one for a growing child who will outgrow it in a year or for someone who may be on the fence about becoming an archery, it might be a factor.

It's also kind of funny that you call people out for being Mathews Nazis when you are just as rabid trying to put down the brand as those who support it. Hello kettle, my name is pot.

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by Voltaire

It's also kind of funny that you call people out for being Mathews Nazis when you are just as rabid trying to put down the brand as those who support it. Hello kettle, my name is pot.

Chill out Potsi. Mathews makes a great bow. But comparing the Mission to a Mathews is like comparing a Ford Focus to a F-350. Made by the same companys, but big difference. Different strokes for different strokers as they say.

Best NEW bow for under $400, I am quite confident is a ******

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by Slippy

Chill out Potsi. Mathews makes a great bow. But comparing the Mission to a Mathews is like comparing a Ford Focus to a F-350. Made by the same companys, but big difference. Different strokes for different strokers as they say.

Best NEW bow for under $400, I am quite confident is a ******

SO FONZI......what bow do you shoot again???

Wallmart branded PSE??

[jcmorgan31]

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Yes, which is specifically why I said Mission when I gave one non-bashing reason why to buy a Mission over a Martin. And as far as Mission not having good resale value, a quick search of AT's classifieds and e-bay's completed sales and it looks like they hold their value pretty well to me.

I don't buy my bows based on resale either, but if I were buying one for a growing child who will outgrow it in a year or for someone who may be on the fence about becoming an archery, it might be a factor.

It's also kind of funny that you call people out for being Mathews Nazis when you are just as rabid trying to put down the brand as those who support it. Hello kettle, my name is pot.

I didn't realize Mission made a youth bow. And if you don't buy for resale, why state that as a reason to buy?

The people I called out are Mathews shooters. They don't shoot Mission bows. They recommended it because it is attached to Mathews and not any other reason (except J.C. he had a legitimate reason). Why don't you do a little reasearch into my past thousand or so posts and you'll see I'm not a basher. I've been friends with these guys for several years and they know where I'm coming from and how serious I am.

So...take a breath, relax, and don't take it personal.

[BowhuntnHoosier]

Originally Posted by Slippy

........

Good luck with that Kool-Aid pusher. Don't you have a rock to go crawl under??

[BowhuntnHoosier]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

I didn't realize Mission made a youth bow. And if you don't buy for resale, why state that as a reason to buy?

The people I called out are Mathews shooters. They don't shoot Mission bows. They recommended it because it is attached to Mathews and not any other reason (except J.C. he had a legitimate reason). Why don't you do a little reasearch into my past thousand or so posts and you'll see I'm not a basher. I've been friends with these guys for several years and they know where I'm coming from and how serious I am.

So...take a breath, relax, and don't take it personal.

You called me out and I did'nt mention any brand other than Martian. I am special though, right Justin??

[jcmorgan31]

Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

You called me out and I did'nt mention any brand other than Martian. I am special though, right Justin??

Yes Frank....you are. You hold a special place in my heart......

[BowhuntnHoosier]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Yes Frank....you are. You hold a special place in my heart......

I knew it................so what kinda price am I gonna get on a new GTO???

[jcmorgan31]

Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

I knew it................so what kinda price am I gonna get on a new GTO???

I'm gonna have one in in a week or so and it doesn't have a home yet....

[BowhuntnHoosier]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

I'm gonna have one in in a week or so and it doesn't have a home yet....

Has Dano got his yet??

[jcmorgan31]

Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

Has Dano got his yet??

Should be here tomorrow...

[BowhuntnHoosier]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Should be here tomorrow...

I've heard that before...............

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

what bow do you shoot again???

I shoot a Horton Legend SL. Waiting for you guys to sell me something vertical for $400. And nothing more than a year old and if its used, don't bother unless it says Elite or Martin Slater or Martin Firecat on it.

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by Slippy

I shoot a Horton Legend SL. Waiting for you guys to sell me something vertical for $400. And nothing more than a year old and if its used, don't bother unless it says Elite or Martin Slater or Martin Firecat on it.

thought you were shooting a Rytera???

see Slip, when you make up this many story's you get caught up in the LIE'S........

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

thought you were shooting a Rytera???

see Slip, when you make up this many story's you get caught up in the LIE'S........

Don't you go getting jealous with me.


Ain't she purty?

[trussoni]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Me either. I get everything at dealer cost.


I have seen quiet a few C4s and Drenalins for sale only a year old and their prices aren't that impressive to me. Not like they used to be anyway.

lucky guy (dealer cost)

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by trussoni

lucky guy (dealer cost)

he is a dealer........

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by Slippy

Don't you go getting jealous with me.


Ain't she purty?

so you got you SISTER to take pics??? I know you cant afford a camera, on your monthly wellfare check......

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by trussoni

lucky guy

Why thank you!

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by Slippy

Why thank you!

hey trussoni, have you seen his HOE.....you haveno IDEA how lucky slippy is.......she is a HOE LOTA LUCKY......

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

hey trussoni, have you seen his HOE.....you haveno IDEA how lucky slippy is.......she is a HOE LOTA LUCKY......

Hey funny pants. Think about this before getting back ON TOPIC.

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by Slippy

Hey funny pants. Think about this before getting back ON TOPIC.

are you trying to say you want to be on top of me??

SMOKES is gonna so be mad.......

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

are you trying to say you want to be on top of me??

The Martin Bengal packs quite the bang for the buck at $399!

[MichiganHunter]

Originally Posted by Slippy

The Martin Bengal packs quite the bang for the buck at $399!

i love mine!

[dbdcougar]

With the MOAB and Bengal as close as they are in price I don't see how the Bengal sells at all. The Bengal feels like a brick if you hold the 2 side by side. Guess it's because not all the dealers are pro dealerships.

[archer1983]

Slippy shoots a bt guardian, dont let him fool ya....

soon be to be shooting _______ __________.

I'll let you fill in the blank there slick I mean Skippy.

[BowhuntnHoosier]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Should be here tomorrow...

Did Dano's GTO come in???? We need pics.........

[jcmorgan31]

Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

Did Dano's GTO come in???? We need pics.........

Actually......no.......

Maybe tomorrow.

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Actually......no.......

Maybe tomorrow.

not again

[jcmorgan31]

Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

not again

Well...I know it shipped the 21st. So blame it all on brown.....

[BUNNYMAN]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Well...I know it shipped the 21st. So blame it all on brown.....

thats not nice i thought you liked Brown Hornet

[Holy Smokes]

Originally Posted by BUNNYMAN

are you trying to say you want to be on top of me??

SMOKES is gonna so be mad.......

Now boys why can't we just be good and paly good together

[BowhuntnHoosier]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Actually......no.......

Maybe tomorrow.

Well SHUCKS...........is Dano going crazy???

I hated waiting on my new bow.

[archer1983]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Well...I know it shipped the 21st. So blame it all on brown.....

Must have gotten mixed up in the mail.........

I hate when that happens.

[brad_122987]

The other day i shot a mission and at first i did not like it. I went into the archery shop set on buying a Diamond The Rock. After awile of shooting i was about to put the mission back on the shelf until the archery shop owner told me to put a s-coil on it and try again. I did and then i liked it. It shot nice. I now was in a predicament because i was shooting The Rock, Lights out by fred bear, and mathews mission x3, all under $400. That was the crazy thing that i saw in the mission bow. The IBO was 310 and the actual was 302fps. That was very little loss of speed compared to the Rocks (315 IBO and 270 actual speed0 and the Bear (302-306 IBO and 250 actual) IBO speed and actual speed. The Bear lost about 18% speed between the IBO and actual, the Rock lost about 13% speed between IBO and actual and the Mission lost only 2.7% of its speed between the IBO and the actual speeds. I think that is spectactular. That is incredable speed. I think this is one reason to look at the mathews mission, i am buying one tomarrow.

[trussoni]

actually shot a Mission Journey today and even though its not my Drenalin and just a bit over the $400 limit it wasnt a bad feeling bow at all.

[Dooby]

Originally Posted by Ronhop

...we're in a sport that needs to grow and helping people in USEFUL ways is a lot more helpful than communicating things out of emotion.
Guys, be wise about the fact that we like this sport. We need to be ambassadors for it and support it and take a lot of the nonsense based emotion out of it. Of course, doing all that without having fun is a balancing act but we need to just try and help people get into the sport and STAY in the sport...

Well said, Ron. I recently found out that the state authorities are considering outlawing bows. Makes me miss the freedom of the USA. Never let them take it away!

Hrm...I'm thinking it's time to start checking the job market back stateside.
Anyone looking for a slightly used business analyst with a strong background in mechanical aircraft engineering?

[Dooby]

Originally Posted by jcmorgan31

Dont just tell me one piece risers are stonger. Prove it. I've heard otherwise......

I know I'm going to regret chiming in here, but there are a few TECHNICAL reasons that a one piece riser would be a bit better...and potentially stronger (given a few assumptions) than a multi-piece riser...purely from an engineering perspective.

Reasons include:

• Tolerance stack up: The more components and pieces in ANY machine, the less tolerance control...because NOTHING has a +/- 0.000000000000" tolerance. The lower the tolerance, the higher the cost to produce.
• Joint strength: assuming the joint is not created using molecular adhesive (i.e. full surface to surface adhesion at a molecular level) then the stress concentrates somewhere via the critical load path. If that load path ends on a faster....that's typically not a problem because even a fairly weak steel screw is stronger than very strong Al. That said, the INSERTS or the threads become a weak point. It can be engineered such that it won't wait...aircraft designers do it every day, but it's one other consideration that is easily flubbed in ways that either reduce tolerances or factors of safety.
• Fatigue strength: Those threads I talked about above are subject, more than a large annealed homogenous lump of metal, to fatigue failure. The threads must be hard, tough, high tolerance, and tolerant of repeated vibration. That combination is nasty for threaded fasteners from a fatigue level. I'd guess, however, that the bows are designed with a high factor of safety and a fatigue life cycle well beyond what any non-robotic archer would fire in a lifetime.
• Vibration propogration and reflection: As sound waves (vibration) propogates through a homogenous material any boundary...especially a sharp cornered boundary will tend to propogate and reflect the vibration. While is MAY result in amplification of audible frequency sound, it's the frequencies that contribute to fatigue failure that are most concerning. Once again, however, most consumer items are designed with anywhere from 150% to 500% factor of safety built in. I would expect, however, with two identical bows...one with a single piece riser and the other with the same riser chopped into pieces them recombined...the recombined riser would have a higher level of vibration propogation. FYI: smooth corners reduce this impact and some might even suggest that a solid piece acts more like a tuning fork. Without running a bunch numbers that I probably couldn't remember how to run anyway...suffice it to say the boundary and corner reflected sound wave propogation is greater than that in an untuned solid material (i.e. a bow isn't tuned to produce a C# when plucked).

From a PRACTICAL perspective, however, the above items may not even even noticable....and are most likely not noticable without special equipment (and for reasons I stated above). The PRACTICAL reasons FOR a multi-piece risers are, among others, those already mentioned.

• Reduced waste
• Less machining
• Better thermal control (reduces growth of dendrites...which cause the metal to become brittle when heated and cooled irregularly)
• Faster heat treatment processing if they choose to adjust material properties after the bow is machined.

I'm sure I could think of other stuff on both sides of the argument...but this quick chime is becoming a novel. Sorry for the LONG post.