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Old 08-24-2008, 12:22 PM   #1
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he hasent bought a new bow in 10 years . so we set up one for him last night . ive set up bunches of these the same way . . he shoots last night and we get him sighted in to 20 yards . he comes back with his buddy today to shoot in the range . they go over and he wants to check it through paper . shoots a left tear . im telling him give it a chance its all different from what he doing and after he shoots for awhile will make the adjustments if necessary . not good enough for him . i tell him its him not the bow politely. he says ill let my buddy shoot it . he shoots it twice both bullet holes . gives it back and the orginal guy shoots left tear . he then tells me to shoot it two more bullet holes . sometimes i just hate paper .
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Old 08-24-2008, 12:40 PM   #2
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You can't tell some people. You gave the advice, showed him, now you just have to let him do it his way. It's not worth getting upset over unless it's a safety issue.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:35 PM   #3
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I agree, it sounds like you done all you can now its up to him. Don't be too hard on yourself. We have all been thick headed and right about everything at one point in our lives. Then I met my wife and she proved me wrong from then on.
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Old 08-24-2008, 02:47 PM   #4
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how much time does it take to loosen a arrow rest ,peck it over a little bit tighten it and have a happy shooter. I dont think you should have to adjust to a bow. you should adjust the bow to fit the shooters form and style. just my 2 cents worth. but I have been wrong before.
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how much time does it take to loosen a arrow rest ,peck it over a little bit tighten it and have a happy shooter. I dont think you should have to adjust to a bow. you should adjust the bow to fit the shooters form and style. just my 2 cents worth. but I have been wrong before.
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Old 08-24-2008, 04:07 PM   #6
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it wouldnt make any difference . he doesnt have his own style yet each time he grabs the bow its a little different . after he shoots a while like he did today he will get it . ive had people that want there bow paper tuned and they will take 4 shots and each shot will have a different tear .
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You just cant please some people....What was he shooting before? Was it shooting bullet holes? and if it was didnt he or someone have to get it that way.....dont worry about it sounds like he just wants something to complain about.
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Old 08-24-2008, 07:39 PM   #8
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I'd try to get him to wait. Reasure him that you will make any changes he wants after a few weeks.......
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well, I asume error in his form(hand torque?) caused his bad "unsatisfactory" shots...if he always torques it the same way, might it not be ok to bump his windage a little to the side to fix the swimming arrow. of course, nobody else will be able to shoot the bow straight.
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Old 08-25-2008, 07:48 AM   #10
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i watch 1000s of arrows go down range . if a arrows is not flying straight i can pick usually pick it out going down range . as soon as i watch a person go to my paper tuner and push the string or kisser into the side of his face or use his sights to shoot through paper theres usually a problem . see most of you paper tune the shooter i paper tune the bow . if i go from paper to walk back tuning with my bows i hardly ever have to change anything. when i have a new shooter or one that wants to improve we paper tune the bow than ususally you can adjust the archer to shoot it correctly .sometimes both the paper shooting and the shooter come together at the same time but thats usually with the the more serious shooters . the rest usually get more accurate and comfortable quicker by doing it this way.doesnt always work but for the most time it does . il do it either way they want too . its up to them , but if they ask me il tell them which way i think is better for them.the whole thing is that they leave with a bow that feels right for them and they can get confident with .when this guy left yesterday he said it was the best hes ever shot and i had him sighted in to 35 yards .there where no further adjustments made to his bow after first set up . but he was told that when he was back in the area and wanted something changed there wouldnt be a problem or cost to him . he came 175 miles to have me set up his bow .
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:18 AM   #11
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Well there's the problem. By the time he got to you his butt was sore!
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Well there's the problem. By the time he got to you his butt was sore!
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:24 AM   #13
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LONG CAR RIDE=sore BUTTTTT

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I personally cant shoot a bullet hole to save my life....and I know its me....

paper tuning is not the end all of bow tuning
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I'm a bullet hole shootin foo....
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I personally cant shoot a bullet hole to save my life....and I know its me....

paper tuning is not the end all of bow tuning
I am the same way....if I get a good tear at 3 yards it's bad at 6...I don't even try anymore.
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I am a walk back guy myself, I shoot paper to get close and walk the rest back.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:45 PM   #21
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Don't anyone use bare shaft anymore ?

Just curious.

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Don't anyone use bare shaft anymore ?

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Seems to me he has some grip problems.

If he'd grab it like a pistol, not his......, his tears would probobly improve.

Tenderfoot is right. Changing how the palm below the thumb encouters the grip will help get rid if the torque. Draw length being properly measured, and not overpulling,past the rollover would exacerbate the torque too. That is not as apparent with roller cable guards, or parallel limb bows, but still can occur if they pull too far, especially if using a "wrong" grip too.

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a little more to the story . hes around 6 ft 2 . his old bow had almost a 32in draw . i took him down to 29.5 . he shot 6 shots through paper the 2 left tears were the only ones that matched . means he held the bow different each time . after working with him for over a hour .i had him putting 2 out of 3 in the white at 30 yards sometimes all 3 . and sometimes he would miss by over 5 inches . i told him to go home and practice on the things i tought him and not worry about where his arrows hit as long as he starts getting groups . after he gets a little more comfortable come back and will fine tune it to his shooting .
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guess I was wrong. looks like you done all you could for him.
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Don't anyone use bare shaft anymore ?

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I'm just getting around to trying the bare shaft thingy....always just walk back tuned mine.
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