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Old 12-01-2008, 10:30 PM   #1
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Default You seen the bowturbow? What do you think?

I saw this posted on another forum and see there is now a website.
Anyone have any thoughts. There are no pictures of it it. It looks like a roller guard assembly for a normal cable slide rod?

What I can't figure out is why this would greatly increase the bow speed. It looks like it would increase the draw weight and possibly mess with the draw length?

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yeah, I aint getting it....i wanna see the groups you can produce with that thing......

see everyone wants in on roller guards......
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and all this can be yours for $59.95.......

snyone remember what the Windstalker's sold for??
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They don't even give you a close up of the darn thing or tell you how it works. All they show is the chrono giving a higher number why no close up on it?
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I'm thinking it's some device that puts some spring loaded pressure on the slide. If I'm wrong please forget you read this...I'm gonna be buisy
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not really sure but i bet they sell some for sure...
maybe you should stock a few extra cable rods too...
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There is definitely something fishy going on here. The video is intriguing but their web site is lacking to say the least. Either it is a scam or the they got a bit excited and jumped the gun showcasing the product without a descent web page or adequate information. Did you happen to read the comments page on their site? Why would any company want comments like those on their site??? Interesting.
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Both have been in the archery buisness for quite awhile. I dont see them lying and ruining one reputation. I hope it works and works well.
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From what I can tell doesn't it shorten your cable length which would make your draw longer and increase your poundage ?? But still that was quite a increase in FPS Might work............
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Joella is a Tn girl
got her start in the early nineties
she worked with us in the TWRA/ International Bow hunter Ed for a short while
she was looking for some notoriety and I can remember her asking all kind of "how can I make this thing go faster" questions as she was launching her bow shooting career
she was also a lot smaller
of course age has a way of slipping up on you.
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I read some other posts that say it dosen't increase weight or change the draw length. If this thing is legit, they are going to sell a million of them.
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Both have been in the archery buisness for quite awhile. I dont see them lying and ruining one reputation. I hope it works and works well.
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I have to agree,no reason to lie about a product,it always seems like these negative attitudes are the norm with archers,when these kind of products come out.looks like a great product,i hope it works out cause i sure would like one myself.............
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I read some other posts that say it dosen't increase weight or change the draw length. If this thing is legit, they are going to sell a million of them.
I don't see how it can give a speed increase without increasing weight? I'd have to know more.
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Can't imagine it'd be any different than twisting the piss outta the buss cable.

More preload, more draw weight, 1/2"-3/4" more draw length. A little TLC on the rest of the bow tuning and it would still shoot bullet holes and group decently.

could actually work.

Would like to see it on a bow that isn't 300+ already, my bet is the gains are relative. Meaning, you may get the additional 25fps starting with a bow already doing 302, but what do you get when starting say.... 60# 285 fps?
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I don't see how it can give a speed increase without increasing weight? I'd have to know more.
exactly, nothing's free. to get that much more energy out, you have to put more into it. that thing doesnt undo physics......
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It seems to be a very good idea.

The added speed appears to come from reducing the friction between the cable guard rod and slide. I know that there is some lost energy here, but 25 fps seems like a lot unless the slide badly needs cleaning.

I will withhold judgement until I hear from some of you "early adapters".

I really hope that it works since I have a short DL and wouldn't mind a few extra fps without higher DW or lighter arrows.

The price seems a bit high, but if everyone is getting an addional 15 to 20 fps, it would be worth it.
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wonder what IBO would have to say bout these
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Here's what I'm seeing. First, they are putting it on forward of where the cables would be at rest. Second, the cables do not get to travel rearward on the slide like usual. Thus, when you draw, you are putting more load on the limbs. More load ='s more speed. It has to increase draw weight. No way out of it. I'd be afraid of the extra load on the limbs. You could possibly put more load than the limbs were designed for.
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It seems to be a very good idea.

The added speed appears to come from reducing the friction between the cable guard rod and slide. I know that there is some lost energy here, but 25 fps seems like a lot unless the slide badly needs cleaning.

I will withhold judgement until I hear from some of you "early adapters".

I really hope that it works since I have a short DL and wouldn't mind a few extra fps without higher DW or lighter arrows.

The price seems a bit high, but if everyone is getting an addional 15 to 20 fps, it would be worth it.
I think the added speed comes from increased load on the limbs due to not allowing the cable slide it's full range of travel. guys on AT are claiming it doesnt increase peak weight or holding weight, but it has to be increasing the amount of energy stored in the draw force curve, so it will take more energy to draw. as long as it doesnt void the bow's warranty it probably will be a good thing for people who want more speed.
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It has to increase both the draw length and draw weight. Take notice that it was mounted forard of the static position. That the cables ahd to be pulled forward to attach them.

Pull the cables forward on your own bow and see what happens. The cam over rotate a little. This changes the draw length. And as we all know you shorten the cables the weight goes up.

For those that don't know Martin came out with it's version of a roller guard this year on some of it's Pro series bows. In their literature that actually state that it increases the bows poundage by about 5# over using a standard rod/slide configuration.
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In the video, why don't they scale the bows before and after the install of the Turbow. They are pretty proud of the chronograph. readings. I agree with most everyone else that the draw weight has to increase during the draw. I'd be interested to see the arrow grouping, regardless.
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Bet it would void the warranty on about ever bow made.
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I agree with all of your statements in this thread.
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The first thing that popped into my head was what my dad used to tell me, "if it seems to good to be true it probably is"
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Speed is Energy...It has to come from somewhere.... ????

Id have to have one in my hands to pass judgement but Im very skeptical!
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I read some other posts that say it dosen't increase weight or change the draw length. If this thing is legit, they are going to sell a million of them.
You got that , maybe 2 million!
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combo of factors will really add up. They've admitted it could add 1.5-2 pounds max draw weight. They say it also adds 2 pounds holding weight. They haven't said anything about draw length, but I think most can understand that it would increase.

2 pounds peak weight= 4 fps
2 pounds higher holding weight= lowering your let off by 3%= ??
minimum of .5" DL increase= minimum 5 fps
cams being over rotated= ??


Concerns of mine might be cam sync, grouping (especially cam & .5), draw stops which contact the limbs, prolonged use at altered limb deflection, prolonged use with excessive preload, set screws coming loose and safety concerns.
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You got that , maybe 2 million!
They said the same thing about the opti-grab

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Here's what I'm seeing. First, they are putting it on forward of where the cables would be at rest. Second, the cables do not get to travel rearward on the slide like usual. Thus, when you draw, you are putting more load on the limbs. More load ='s more speed. It has to increase draw weight. No way out of it. I'd be afraid of the extra load on the limbs. You could possibly put more load than the limbs were designed for.
Nice assessment, I totally agree w/ this.
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Well the vid where they installed that thing on a kids/womans bow (Diamond) with 40 lb draw and 24 draw length shot at 205 fps increased to 239 fps thats a 34 fps increase. Pretty big stuff.
I would really like to hear what the bow manufactures have to say about this little contraption.
I think the reason they did not show any close up pics is because they are still working on patent pending which they will have just prior to their set release date in January.
I wonder if they offer some kind of warranty that this thing wont cause any damage to your bow. Hmm.. guess we will have to wait and find out.
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Think about this for a minit.Try to put 1 on a binary cam bow like an 07 synergy.To sync the cams on a synergy you bring the bow to full draw and when both cams touch the OVERDRAW PREVENTORS they are in sync.Now you are pulling those cables further away from the over draw preventors which will change the cam sync and play havic on the timing also increasing the risk of lock-up as the cables will be farther from the overdraw preventors.I will say you should be able to get more let-off LOL.I hope they hve good insurance.pulling the cables foward will increase the draw length,and poundage and also put extra preload on the limbs and riser and all of this is held by a set screw that is not designed in conjuction with the bow and it is aimed directly at you.Not to mention they are not even serving the cables.I hope noone gets hurt using this thing.
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Think about this for a minit.Try to put 1 on a binary cam bow like an 07 synergy.To sync the cams on a synergy you bring the bow to full draw and when both cams touch the OVERDRAW PREVENTORS they are in sync.Now you are pulling those cables further away from the over draw preventors which will change the cam sync and play havic on the timing also increasing the risk of lock-up as the cables will be farther from the overdraw preventors.I will say you should be able to get more let-off LOL.I hope they hve good insurance.pulling the cables foward will increase the draw length,and poundage and also put extra preload on the limbs and riser and all of this is held by a set screw that is not designed in conjuction with the bow and it is aimed directly at you.Not to mention they are not even serving the cables.I hope noone gets hurt using this thing.
BUT come on it has a rubber stopper
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OHHHHH WELL HECK FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID AND GIVE ME 1 LOL.I bet that rubber will really help ya out LOLI really dont think it would probably cause much damage if the thing would hit you but the bow itself would prolly do some bad things if it were to come loose.

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If it doesn't up the weight..........
make the draw longer.........
and throw it out of time.......

I would pay $60 for it......... but that ain't happening
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OK, there is a good link on one of the other sites---hunting.net---an assessment by the one and only----Len in Maryland.

You can read it for yourself, but it makes sense. In short, with the increased rearward pressure on the cable rod it can become a virtual projectile in the event that the cable rod come loose from the bow.

Think about this. What holds most cable rods in a bow? Most often it's a setscrew. In some bows the rod is just epoxied into the riser. What happens if, at full draw, the rod becomes dislodged. Where is it going?

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OK, there is a good link on one of the other sites---hunting.net---an assessment by the one and only----Len in Maryland.

You can read it for yourself, but it makes sense. In short, with the increased rearward pressure on the cable rod it can become a virtual projectile in the event that the cable rod come loose from the bow.

Think about this. What holds most cable rods in a bow? Most often it's a setscrew. In some bows the rod is just epoxied into the riser. What happens if, at full draw, the rod becomes dislodged. Where is it going?

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