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Old 02-03-2010, 04:10 PM   #1
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Default Final ASA Schedule for Oklahoma

Below are the scheduled dates for the state qualifiers and the state tournament.
Please contact the hosting range(s) for driving directions, type of start
(Trickle or shotgun) and start times.

All ASA Qualifiers will be a 20 Targets Score (If more than 20 targets are offered,
Targets number 1 – 20 will be used for official score)
Each qualifier and state shoot will follow ASA Tournament Rules. Each range has a copy of these regulations and they are also available at www.asaarchery.com.

(Please see the bottom of Schedule for new rules for Oklahoma ASA)

**12 Ring Archery Contact: Dean Sliger Tupelo OK
Feb 27th & 28th (580) 371 8111

**Cedar Ridge Archery Contact: Rick Stubblefield Enterprise OK
March 20th & 21st (918) 441 9614

Outlaw Archery Contact: Danny Mooris Ada OK
March 13 & 14 (580) 332 5648

**Oklahoma City Gun Club Contact: David Baker OKC
April 10th & 11th (405) 315-6085

Cherokee Strip Archery Contact: Gary Hovis Enid OK
April 18th Sunday Only (580)234 1051

**Blue Bottom Archery Contact: Jamie Jamison Durant OK
May 8th & 9th (918) 640 1270

Quail Ridge Archery Contact Dave Tucumseh OK
May 15th (405) 306 1578

Osage Archery Contact: Albert Nitz Bartlesville OK
May 29th &30th (918) 336 0898

**Coyote Bluff Family Archery Contact: Darrel Trout Bristow OK
June 12th & 13th (918) 367 9340

Chain Ranch Outfitters Contact: Mason Banta Canton OK
June 19th & 20th (580) 886-5982


**Trosper archery is not having a Qualifier but is helping with the Pig hunt

Note The Range’s with ** by there name is the ranges who made a Pig Hunt Possible for this years as a Thank You Gift to the Archers Supporting ASA Your name will go into a Box for each qualifier you shoot and twice for each Qualifier you shoot at a ranges who sponsored the Hunt. The Pig hunt will be given away at the state Championship shoot. Be sure to say thanks to the Following Ranges




State Championship

Cedar Ridge Archery Contact: Rick Stubblefield Enterprise OK
July 10th and 11th (918) 441 9614
NEW Shooter of the year Program

An average system will be utilized for Picking Shooter of the Year. A minimum of 5 qualifiers and the state tournament will be required to be eligible for Shooter of the Year program. . Each class must have an average of 5 shooters per Class shooting for SOY in order to have a Shooter of the Year. No SOY will be awarded for Open C or Bow Novice class. This system is based on the Oklahoma guidelines for Shooter of the Year. ( All Qualifiers shot by an archer will be used to average the archers score)

NEW Move up Rules in Oklahoma ASA
Bow Novice and Open C classis are for Novices Shooters so in Oklahoma you can only shoot Shot two years in either class on the Third year you will move into either Bow Hunter class or Open B Class Bow Novices can move into Open C (open C class is a move up from Bow Novices) but Open C can not move into Bow Novices,
NEW Any One who Wins there class in any State will move up into the next advanced Class,
Women’s Open, Men’s Unlimited, All Senior classis, Open A and Simi Pro class will be considered top class and will use National Rules to move up


NEW This year a Pig Hunt give away for Oklahoma ASA .
For each Qualifier you shoot your name will go into a hat for a drawing And Twice for shooting the Range’s who made it possible Drawing being held at the State championship Shoot, the pig hunt will be hosted at Rocky-Top Ranch in Oklahoma.



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So once someone wins semi pro in state. They must move to pros?

There actually is no pro classes on state level.

What about senior open class. If somoene wins it they have to move to pro?


Will this effect where they have to shoot on pro am level?
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I can't answer any of your other questions but I do know where you shoot on the state level has no bearing on what class you shoot at the pro/ams.
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I can't answer any of your other questions but I do know where you shoot on the state level has no bearing on what class you shoot at the pro/ams.
It should never effect the pro am level. The level of compition on pro am level is far batter than state.

Also we must post this move up is shooter of the year. So if you dont want to move up. Dont win it! Promblem is some dont want to move from hunter class. There happy shooting pins and short hunting type set ups.

State level has been doing so well. Change can be a good thing and bad thing. Often these rules are set forth by the ASA.

Im quessing there will be half and half or is this each ranges call to make?

How many targets will be shot at Qaulifiers?

I was hoping to see something to promote the pros on state level.

Im going back to avergae joe class where I belong. Mainly because Im a poboy and paying those higher entry fees made me a even poorer person last year.
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I really wish I could say I was a sandbagger Maybe after this year I can take claim to that.
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I really wish I could say I was a sandbagger Maybe after this year I can take claim to that.
No one ever accuses me of being a sandbagger. Guess you got to be good to get that title
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So once someone wins semi pro in state. They must move to pros?

There actually is no pro classes on state level.

What about senior open class. If somoene wins it they have to move to pro?


Will this effect where they have to shoot on pro am level?
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i think you have some good questions on the olkahoma move up is after you get to simi pro class if there is not class above it then you will shoot that but if there is a class above it them you will move up Hunters can move into unlimmited and so on i would love to come up with something for the pro class and in oklahoma we have a buckle and you can also get your name in the drawing for the Pig hunt this year Oklahoma does have something for the pro Class its just not something ASA at a national leval is doing its all done by are state.

any Ideas welcome
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It should never effect the pro am level. The level of compition on pro am level is far batter than state.

Also we must post this move up is shooter of the year. So if you dont want to move up. Dont win it! Promblem is some dont want to move from hunter class. There happy shooting pins and short hunting type set ups.

State level has been doing so well. Change can be a good thing and bad thing. Often these rules are set forth by the ASA.

Im quessing there will be half and half or is this each ranges call to make?

How many targets will be shot at Qaulifiers?

I was hoping to see something to promote the pros on state level.

Im going back to avergae joe class where I belong. Mainly because Im a poboy and paying those higher entry fees made me a even poorer person last year.
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The Ranges voted on the moveup in oklahoma and the number of targets will be 20 for a Qualifier ASA does make the Rules Oklahoma is doing what Taxas has started years ago with a state move up Rule all Good Questions. in any state in ASA Federation there is nothing for the pros except oklahoma we hope to have Oklahoma Pros shoot the Qualifier with a State Championship buckle offer and also they get the same chance for the pig hunt


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It is my understanding that what you shoot in your state level is the class you must shoot in pro/am level. Had this discussion last year with some people and checked into it. I could be wrong, but I do think that if you shoot semi pro in you state you shouldn't be able to go to pro/am and shoot open c for instantance. Just my thought. Good luck to everyone this year and shoot straight.
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It is my understanding that what you shoot in your state level is the class you must shoot in pro/am level. Had this discussion last year with some people and checked into it. I could be wrong, but I do think that if you shoot semi pro in you state you shouldn't be able to go to pro/am and shoot open c for instantance. Just my thought. Good luck to everyone this year and shoot straight.
your right what you shoot for state is the same you shoot for pro/am shoots
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Mike Tyrell informed me that the state level has no influnce on what you shoot at a pro/am. The Pro/ams have a set of rules on their own to move people out of classes. There are several people who shoot a higher level at state than at pro/ams cause the competition isn't as tough.
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Mike Tyrell informed me that the state level has no influnce on what you shoot at a pro/am. The Pro/ams have a set of rules on their own to move people out of classes. There are several people who shoot a higher level at state than at pro/ams cause the competition isn't as tough.
Dee Failks has said more than once the state level has nothing to do with move up list on pro am level. Two seperate deals.
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Think about it. You cannot compare state with pro am level.
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It is my understanding that what you shoot in your state level is the class you must shoot in pro/am level. Had this discussion last year with some people and checked into it. I could be wrong, but I do think that if you shoot semi pro in you state you shouldn't be able to go to pro/am and shoot open c for instantance. Just my thought. Good luck to everyone this year and shoot straight.
But you can shoot Open B. Rules on the pro am said untell you have won so much money you dont move up on the pro am level. Ill find out but unless they have changed. Pro am dont have anything to do with Pro am level.
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i think you have some good questions on the olkahoma move up is after you get to simi pro class if there is not class above it then you will shoot that but if there is a class above it them you will move up Hunters can move into unlimmited and so on i would love to come up with something for the pro class and in oklahoma we have a buckle and you can also get your name in the drawing for the Pig hunt this year Oklahoma does have something for the pro Class its just not something ASA at a national leval is doing its all done by are state.

any Ideas welcome
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Darryl will get Art and those guys to decide what they want to do this year. Im quessing a $40.00 entry with pay back would be good.
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Default Here something I didnt know

They can make you move to known yardage from Open A.

Whats up with that?

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Where do they move the old timers in Senior Open?

Dont see any move up list. Once you get Senior open your there for life?
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Where do they move the old timers in Senior Open?

Dont see any move up list. Once you get Senior open your there for life?
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Im not old enough for super senior.
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Ok DB why arent you in FL
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Because Im a PO boy. Paris will be my first.
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Because Im a PO boy. Paris will be my first.
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Me 2 we was going to GA but dad wont be ready he been working and finding us a 4,000 acre rancher to hunt on
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Make some room on that ranch for me
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4,000 acres I am sure there is room that farmer told dad and blake that he hates deer
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So, if I was to shoot four qualifiers in hunter class and won the fourth one I would have to move into Unlimited class where there are not enough shooters to have a SOY? Or does this mean if you are shooter of the year in one class then you move to the next class up the next year? I understand if this is for SOY but not if you have to move up to the next class in the middle of the season. If that's the case then your first three shoots in the class are for nothing, if you indeed have to move out. I have no problem moving out of one class if I was shooter of the year in that class. But not if I happen to win a shoot for any reason other than shooting good. What if there is a low turnout and I shoot horribly and still win my class? Why would I have to move to a more advanced class just because there weren't many shooters? Do you see what I'm getting at. I think this needs to be looked into a little more. I'm speaking for several people that are concerned about this, including myself. I was really excited about shooting the state ASA this year but I'm not sure now. I think there should be a way that all ASA members in the state know what is being brought to the table. Maybe a meeting at the end of the season or something like that. I'm not sure ALL the ranges voted on this anyway. I think as a dues paying ASA member, then we should at least be able to vote or have a little say in what is going on in our own state. I think the members here need to be a little more involved in what's going on in our state and be a little more in the know. Just a few questions I have. Don't want to ruffle any feathers but I think this needs to be adressed ASAP. Thanks,

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Chris, I believe that you only move up the following year if you win state or SOY. You don't have to move up in the middle of the season. I whole-heartly agree with you, we do need to have a meeting sometime in the year so we as shooters can be heard. The SOY should be determined like on national level, I believe everyone should be doing this that way there is no average, point system, or anything else, everyone needs to do it the same. I have been saying for years, Texas knows how to run ASA state wide and other states need to take notes. Mike and Tracy Smith does an awesome job and runs it smoothly. Chris, hope your questions get answered and if you get a chance, go shoot a qualifier in Texas and see how it is done.
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Thanks Elisha. I spoke with Chad a few minutes ago and he kinda cleared it up for me. I think there are a few issues that do need to be resolved. The "rule" that dont set right with me is having to move out of Bow Novice or Open C if you shoot it for two years. I don't think you should have to move up unless you're ready. All this will do is discourage the more unexperienced shooters to attend shoots if they are forced to shoot out of their league. I have shot a qualifier in Paris. You are correct. They know what they're doing down there. There is no reason we cant do the same. But I don't see why we cant have a get together after each season to adress any issues about our state shoot. As far as the ranges "voting" on these changes, that also needs to be addressed. If they did indeed all vote then fine. But I'm not sure that is a true statement.
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The novice move up after 2yrs in no good. If a shooter isn't good enough to win his way out of novice after 2yrs what makes you think he needs to be shooting a higher class that doesn't make to much sense. Thats just going to cause some of them to quit shooting ASA all together

Shooter of the year needs to be based on scores not a point system. I know its to get more people to go to more shoots, but it sure does water it down. Have a set # of shoots needed to attend and the state just like at the pro/am level and if they go to more than needed take their highest score for the total.
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The novice move up after 2yrs in no good. If a shooter isn't good enough to win his way out of novice after 2yrs what makes you think he needs to be shooting a higher class that doesn't make to much sense. Thats just going to cause some of them to quit shooting ASA all together

Shooter of the year needs to be based on scores not a point system. I know its to get more people to go to more shoots, but it sure does water it down. Have a set # of shoots needed to attend and the state just like at the pro/am level and if they go to more than needed take their highest score for the total.
If your a novice after two years something wrong. This is a class for first time archers. Open C is diffiantly where someone needs to move too.

You cant go on scores due to soft and hard courses. It just doesnt work.

Talked to Luke and state level has nothing to do with Pro am level. Move up lists on pro am level is what you use on that level.

The idea is to encorage everyone to attend.
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So if what you guys are saying that since Nat Pro Ams have no bearing on Local shoots, then me getting kicked out of hunter class on the national level has no bearing what I shoot here locally. Sweet that means no one here can complain if I decide to shoot the hunter class locally.....

We have to be careful how and what we rule on cause it can go both ways. I remember Dicksenn was shooting different class at nat and local and was asked not to, by who I am not sure. He was winning at nat. and they did not like it I guess.
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Oh and I am just bringing this up for something to think about not that I am thinking about actually doing that.
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You cant go on scores due to soft and hard courses. It just doesnt work.

Talked to Luke and state level has nothing to do with Pro am level. Move up lists on pro am level is what you use on that level.

The idea is to encorage everyone to attend.
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Open C is where someone wants to move to if they want to shoot open class. As far as the soft and hard courses go doesn't everyone get the oportunity to shoot the same courses? If you think one is easier than the other then you better not miss that one. Not trying to start an argument here but I just think there are too many ASA members in the dark on these subjects. Don't get me wrong, I am greatful that we have as many shoots and a good organization like ASA in our state. I just think we need to put our heads together as often as possible and make it better. There's always room for improvement. Besides, I'd like for all of us to get together once a year and shoot the bull and cook some good food. Always got to have the chow.
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:10 PM   #32
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Thank you Mike I remember that same conversation about dicksenn shooting one class local and another national. As for ranges gettting to vote on what we shooters get to do is wrong. Some of these ranges are new or have been in asa for couple of years, its us shooters that get to vote on something that concerns us. Don't get me wrong, I am grateful for the ranges to get involved but the shooters need to be heard also. Plus, I like the idea of all of us to get together at one time and get our grub on, too.
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Old 02-10-2010, 04:26 PM   #33
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Sorry DB but a novice to me is someone who does not shoot much. If I only shot 4 or 5 times year and hit a asa in my state here and there and shot novice and never really did very well and someone told me I had to go shoot at a higher level then I just go shoot else where. Obviously if I was a competitor then novice would on be a one year thing anyways and move on.

On the subject of not shooting what you shoot local and at pro/am only refers to you if you shoot a higher class at local than you do pro/am. For instance I shoot open B at the state level but shoot open C at the pro/ams cause I hadn't won my way out of that class at the pro/ams. It was no way intended that you could shoot a higher class at pro/ams then shoot a lower class at state. For instance I shoot Semi-pro at pro/ams and Open A at the state level now that wouldn't work and I didn't and would not emply that
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Sorry DB but a novice to me is someone who does not shoot much. If I only shot 4 or 5 times year and hit a asa in my state here and there and shot novice and never really did very well and someone told me I had to go shoot at a higher level then I just go shoot else where. Obviously if I was a competitor then novice would on be a one year thing anyways and move on.

On the subject of not shooting what you shoot local and at pro/am only refers to you if you shoot a higher class at local than you do pro/am. For instance I shoot open B at the state level but shoot open C at the pro/ams cause I hadn't won my way out of that class at the pro/ams. It was no way intended that you could shoot a higher class at pro/ams then shoot a lower class at state. For instance I shoot Semi-pro at pro/ams and Open A at the state level now that wouldn't work and I didn't and would not emply that
There lots of guys that shoot one or two events a year. That dont make them a beginning archer. I have done novice in many sports. Its for the beginner, there fore the word novice Not someone that shoots two or three events a years for many years. Sad part is there many that start in novice and there no way there a beginning archer. Diffiantly on the pro am level.
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Old 02-10-2010, 05:44 PM   #35
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On the subject of not shooting what you shoot local and at pro/am only refers to you if you shoot a higher class at local than you do pro/am. For instance I shoot open B at the state level but shoot open C at the pro/ams cause I hadn't won my way out of that class at the pro/ams. It was no way intended that you could shoot a higher class at pro/ams then shoot a lower class at state. For instance I shoot Semi-pro at pro/ams and Open A at the state level now that wouldn't work and I didn't and would not emply that
I'm not sure if it even works that way. For clarification about my situation I won out of Hunter on the state level so my next move was to Open B. I never won out on the national level in hunter but since I wanted to shoot a scope I also moved to Open B on the national level. Open B is where I was supposed to be but nobody was shooting Open B at the state level. I didn't like shooting against just me in Open B locally so I decided to challenge myself and shoot Open A locally which was a move up.

The problem was I won 2 Open B national tournaments and placed 5th in another. No biggie Open B was where I was supposed to be but in Mike Terrell's eyes it looked like I was an Open A shooter (state level) sandbagging on the national circuit. I only shot Open A locally so driving to shoots meant I could actually compete but that stinkin David Oles won it (good shooting Dave )

I was never talked to, but I was under the impression that ASA said something to Luke and Annette about it so I would have to ask Luke for clarification.
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Richard they have been several do that at the state level for the exact same reason as you. Who wants to go shoot a class with just one or very few people in it. Its not like you tried to go back and shoot hunter. The competition just isn't the same on the state level in general to compare it to the pro/am level. Sandbagging is a very lose term and many times a good archer on his way up gets called that out of jealousy of their success. To me its a learning curve and you move up as the rules allow or as you feel its time to raise yourself to another level. Some people jump to fast because of success at the local levels without understanding what it really takes to compete at a national level. You decided which class for you this year, will we be competing against each other or what?
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I tried to get an end of the year meeting together in 2009 after many said they wanted to... but that got shot down. Most clubs/ranges will do what the shooters want, they are their bread and butter.

In my own opinion. Bow Novice and Open C are for beginners. I wish they had enough women shooters to have a womens novice and open c. 2 years is plenty long enough to learn the ropes and move to the intermediate class (hunter, open b) This may not be the opinion of one or two that only shoot a tournament once or twice a year, but this decision is based on what is best and the most fair for the majority. You can't please everyone.

On shooting different classes for state and national.. well, look back a year or two and tell me why anyone would enter womens open in Oklahoma? There were NO shooters. So, in a case like that, they should be allowed to come in with a hunter set up and shoot with the hunter class.
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Isn't that sad Julie, you was trying to set it up but someone else shot it down. You are right, most ranges will listen to the shooters but we need to be heard on other aspects. Asa will not continue to grow if people aren't willing to listen to change and be willing to do it. All I see is trying to keep it the old way because they think it works but guess what, we as shooters would like to see change. You are right, two years ago no open shooters, last year 2!!!!
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Richard they have been several do that at the state level for the exact same reason as you. Who wants to go shoot a class with just one or very few people in it. Its not like you tried to go back and shoot hunter. The competition just isn't the same on the state level in general to compare it to the pro/am level. Sandbagging is a very lose term and many times a good archer on his way up gets called that out of jealousy of their success. To me its a learning curve and you move up as the rules allow or as you feel its time to raise yourself to another level. Some people jump to fast because of success at the local levels without understanding what it really takes to compete at a national level. You decided which class for you this year, will we be competing against each other or what?
I totally agree.

Whether you can or can't do that officially is what I'm uncertain of. All I know is it is up to us all to keep each other honest and in check. I guess I did the same thing last year since we didn't have K50 and in the rules it's under the Pro division so I just shot with the pros locally. Because of that now I have to wait two years to get out of the Pro division or write a written request to ASA to let me move down.
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I totally agree.

Whether you can or can't do that officially is what I'm uncertain of. All I know is it is up to us all to keep each other honest and in check. I guess I did the same thing last year since we didn't have K50 and in the rules it's under the Pro division so I just shot with the pros locally. Because of that now I have to wait two years to get out of the Pro division or write a written request to ASA to let me move down.

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I believe since you didnt win any money in the K50 you can move back
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