Get a load of this crap

[Daniel Boone]

More I learn about this president the more we need impeachment

'Senator' Obama replied:

"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as
Taking sides". "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the
American

Flag is a symbol of oppression.." "The anthem itself conveys a
War-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that
Sort of thing."

(ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)

Obama continued: "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for
Something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song "I'd Like
To Teach the World To Sing". If that were our anthem, then, I might
Salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National
Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope
And love.

It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of
Acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of waring
People, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace
Prevails - - - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist
Between our governments ."

When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end
Hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of
Enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a
Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice
Which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended
Several flag burning ceremonies in the past".

"Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of
The United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power
To bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path.. My
Wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First black Family.
Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America "

WHAAAAAAAT, the Hell is that!!!

Yes, you read it right.

I, for one, am speechless!!!

[72Beetle]

Dan I did not vote for him. Always thought he was a pompus ***, and should not have been elected. Those that put him in wanted change, I hope they are ready for whwat they get.

[ozzy]

I believe if your not a citizen of this great country then shut the HELL UP! He has about as much voice as that other Muslim that has been hiding out in the hills of Afganistan all these years. NOVEMBER 2010 CAN'T COME SOONER!

[Gator eye]

Carefull Dan......talkin politics will raise your blood pressure.




He's here for 3 more years, nothing we can do about it but get ready for the next election. We need to plan, He loves power he isn't leaving easily. If we don't organize he will walk right back to the white house and never break his stride.

Have you noticed how the media is making the "tea party" ralley's out to be a bunch of radicals?

He has started campaining for his next election. 3 years from the election and were already behind.

[MoSkeeter0311]

[QUOTE=Daniel Boone;269203]More I learn about this president the more we need impeachment

'Senator' Obama replied:

"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as
Taking sides". "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the
American

Flag is a symbol of oppression.." "The anthem itself conveys a
War-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that
Sort of thing."

(ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)

Obama continued: "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for
Something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song "I'd Like
To Teach the World To Sing". If that were our anthem, then, I might
Salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National
Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope
And love.

It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of
Acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of waring
People, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace
Prevails - - - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist
Between our governments ."

When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end
Hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of
Enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a
Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice
Which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended
Several flag burning ceremonies in the past".

"Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of
The United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power
To bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path.. My
Wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First black Family.
Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America "

WHAAAAAAAT, the Hell is that!!!

Yes, you read it right.

I, for one, am speechless!!![/QUOTE]

I just checked with "Snopes" on this......All FALSE... I am NOT an Obama fan and I never voted for him and also can't wait until the Nov. Elections to rid the Govt of everyone one I can. We need term limits !.
But...........
I also don't believe in spreading FALSE hearsay. Let me reinterate.... I don't like Obama, His "healthcare plan" sucks! His policies are terrible and his stance on "Gays" make me sick. But I don't condone spreading falsehoods about him or anyone else. The man(?) does enough stupid crap to talk about and dwell on that we don't need to make up stuff or spread misinformation IMOO......

[jim p.]

Your beating a dead horse, he's not a Muslim.

He's more of a US citizen than McCain - last I knew the Panama Canal was
not part of the US.

I can see where you feel he's a pompas a.. especially after the eight years
of clown Bush in office.

Change, you bet ya - I voted him. Along with the majority of American's.

I watch the stories about the tea party rally's. Even have gone as far as
followed some of their sites on the net. There not all radicals, just the
older white ones. The rest are followers who get to carry radical signs.

Isn't it great to be able to b & m about our government without the worry
of being thrown in jail or hung

[MoSkeeter0311]

Originally Posted by jim p.

Your beating a dead horse, he's not a Muslim.

He's more of a US citizen than McCain - last I knew the Panama Canal was
not part of the US.

I can see where you feel he's a pompas a.. especially after the eight years
of clown Bush in office.

Change, you bet ya - I voted him. Along with the majority of American's.

I watch the stories about the tea party rally's. Even have gone as far as
followed some of their sites on the net. There not all radicals, just the
older white ones. The rest are followers who get to carry radical signs.

Isn't it great to be able to b & m about our government without the worry
of being thrown in jail or hung

My point is I don't care whether one likes him or not. It's the spread of MISINFORMATION I'm against. Too many people take everything they get as an e-mail and think it is factual. Most are not. People need to get their collective heads out of their rear-ends and start researching on their own. Go to the numerous political sights and read how the politicians voted on differant bills and if a Bill interests you, then read what the Bill contains. Sometime people vote AGAINST or FOR a bill not on the Bills merits alone but because of all the "Baggage" that has been attached to it. Bills should be "Clean" and without all the "Special Interest" crap that is always added to them. Too many of us let either the "media" or others do our thinking for us. This Country is in bad shape right now and we, as voters, need to kick-start it in the right direction and the only way to do that is to start thinking for ourselves and do research, IT'S TO IMPORTANT NOT TO. We, as voters, have gotten LAZY.

[Daniel Boone]

Originally Posted by jim p.

Your beating a dead horse, he's not a Muslim.

He's more of a US citizen than McCain - last I knew the Panama Canal was
not part of the US.

I can see where you feel he's a pompas a.. especially after the eight years
of clown Bush in office.

Change, you bet ya - I voted him. Along with the majority of American's.

I watch the stories about the tea party rally's. Even have gone as far as
followed some of their sites on the net. There not all radicals, just the
older white ones. The rest are followers who get to carry radical signs.

Isn't it great to be able to b & m about our government without the worry
of being thrown in jail or hung

Be carefull what you ask for. He going to spend more money and make more debt than any other president in the history. Now facts are right from his book and from his own words. He just not what going to make this country strong. Anyone who ran after the bush Admns was going to win. Two wrongs dont make it right. I hope US citizens wake up and ralize it for the future generations.
DB

[Daniel Boone]

Originally Posted by jim p.

Your beating a dead horse, he's not a Muslim.

He's more of a US citizen than McCain - last I knew the Panama Canal was
not part of the US.

I can see where you feel he's a pompas a.. especially after the eight years
of clown Bush in office.

Change, you bet ya - I voted him. Along with the majority of American's.

I watch the stories about the tea party rally's. Even have gone as far as
followed some of their sites on the net. There not all radicals, just the
older white ones. The rest are followers who get to carry radical signs.

Isn't it great to be able to b & m about our government without the worry
of being thrown in jail or hung

Explain to me what this president you voted for has accomplished so far? Ill tell you plenty what he has done to take away what this country was built on. When he signs the international treaty to take your guns away you might rethink is he right. When the word God is no where to be seen or heard any where including the consitition.
DB

[jim p.]

DB, he doesn't want our guns. Tell me honestly, have you or anyone you
know lost theirs ? I'm a gun owner who is dammed if I do agree and dammed
if I don't agree with "gun rights". When our forefather's set up the
constitution and the right to bear arms was part of it. It did not mean the
gun capible of the kill power there is out there today. It was set up that all
had the right to have and carry what was available to the basic military
indivudial back then. Hell of a difference between a blackpowder flintlock to
today's guns. I'm a gun owner, mostly my dad and grand father's guns. If
it means saving one indivudial by me losing my guns in order to keep this
modern day killing power out of the hands of a nut then so be it. Take them.
As for what President Obama has done - well even though I don't agree with
everything in the health care bill, it has given 30+ M more Americans coverage.
He will sit down and talk with the leaders of the world to help stop the
threat of a nuke attack. President Obama has accomplished more in this first
year than most. Of course, no matter what he is able to accomplish for the
betterment of all Americans it won't be good enough.
You've talked impeachment - if there was ever anyone to impeach it is those
in our government who have sworn to serve this country then turn around
and do what I call acts of treason. They have no right to be a leader be it
in the senate, congress or governor.
DB, I'm not trying to be an a.. I truly feel he is trying to fix all the problems
he can for the average person. I guess if I made over a quarter of a million
dollars I would feel like he was attacking me. That's not going to happen,
I've been middle class all my life.
Do I sometimes question what he's doing - you bet I do. I do it with most
representatives in government. American's are better than that. We need
to be able to holds our heads high. Be what our ancestors instilled in us.
I don't believe the American people would elect someone (no matter what
side) due to the previous administration. There smarter than that. If they
truly felt McCain was the man, he would be in. He shot himself in the foot
when he brought in his running mate. Had he been the man he was ten
years earlier, I would of voted for him. What has happened to our country ?
We are making the ding bats famous and wealty plus feel the country would
be better if they were running it. Thank God the majority of the American
people see through this.
With this day and age of the computer, information is at our fingertips. We
can read and send things all day long if we choose to. Getting an email with
that is offensive (in any way, not just political) then forwarding it on does
not make it right. What is great is we can discuss just about everything as
adults. No need to get pi..ed off at anyone, we're all just normal middle class
people here. We can agree to disagree with respect for each other.

[Daniel Boone]

Originally Posted by jim p.

DB, he doesn't want our guns. Tell me honestly, have you or anyone you
know lost theirs ? I'm a gun owner who is dammed if I do agree and dammed
if I don't agree with "gun rights". When our forefather's set up the
constitution and the right to bear arms was part of it. It did not mean the
gun capible of the kill power there is out there today. It was set up that all
had the right to have and carry what was available to the basic military
indivudial back then. Hell of a difference between a blackpowder flintlock to
today's guns. I'm a gun owner, mostly my dad and grand father's guns. If
it means saving one indivudial by me losing my guns in order to keep this
modern day killing power out of the hands of a nut then so be it. Take them.
As for what President Obama has done - well even though I don't agree with
everything in the health care bill, it has given 30+ M more Americans coverage.
He will sit down and talk with the leaders of the world to help stop the
threat of a nuke attack. President Obama has accomplished more in this first
year than most. Of course, no matter what he is able to accomplish for the
betterment of all Americans it won't be good enough.
You've talked impeachment - if there was ever anyone to impeach it is those
in our government who have sworn to serve this country then turn around
and do what I call acts of treason. They have no right to be a leader be it
in the senate, congress or governor.
DB, I'm not trying to be an a.. I truly feel he is trying to fix all the problems
he can for the average person. I guess if I made over a quarter of a million
dollars I would feel like he was attacking me. That's not going to happen,
I've been middle class all my life.
Do I sometimes question what he's doing - you bet I do. I do it with most
representatives in government. American's are better than that. We need
to be able to holds our heads high. Be what our ancestors instilled in us.
I don't believe the American people would elect someone (no matter what
side) due to the previous administration. There smarter than that. If they
truly felt McCain was the man, he would be in. He shot himself in the foot
when he brought in his running mate. Had he been the man he was ten
years earlier, I would of voted for him. What has happened to our country ?
We are making the ding bats famous and wealty plus feel the country would
be better if they were running it. Thank God the majority of the American
people see through this.
With this day and age of the computer, information is at our fingertips. We
can read and send things all day long if we choose to. Getting an email with
that is offensive (in any way, not just political) then forwarding it on does
not make it right. What is great is we can discuss just about everything as
adults. No need to get pi..ed off at anyone, we're all just normal middle class
people here. We can agree to disagree with respect for each other.

Take those blinders off and open the eyes. Have you not seen the polls of the americans? Your president populrity is way down. Maybe you received one of those big stimulus checks that was going to turn the economy around. Have you not see nothing has improved! Nucular thing you mentioned. He said ever country should have the right to own nuclear weapons. Thank Goodness I live in a state that doesnt fall into the traps of ever federal law made. Go pick up your president book which by the way why does he do a book while running the country, maybe its his second job. I dont need a computor just watch nightly TV about him and listen to my politicians here in my state. You got change for sure. Get ready Jim because your going to see US citiazens not take this sitting down.
DB

[Daniel Boone]

Just so you know where I stand.

I didnt like Bush from the get go and was 100% right on him. He may have been the worst President in the history of man.

I worry for the future generations. Im embarrased and ashamed my generation is going to leave this world far worse off than what we had in are lives.

I did want Huckleby! I want a fair tax. Everyone pay there fair share.
DB

[Gator eye]

I told ya...talkin politics will raise your blood pressure.


If this country made it through the Carter years.....it'll damn sure make it through this guy.

[Daniel Boone]

Well informed and not something not disscussed.

Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9X2VbhSH9o

[Daniel Boone]

Ill give him credit for being honest. He diffiantly wants change. Lord help us when we cant own a gun to protect are familys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fl28...eature=related

[Daniel Boone]

Originally Posted by Gator eye

I told ya...talkin politics will raise your blood pressure.


If this country made it through the Carter years.....it'll damn sure make it through this guy.

No high blood pressure just concerned for future generations.
DB

[jim p.]

DB, what I worry about is the crazy's who may try to take over the
government. I do know this Dan, you and I going back and forth aren't
going to make a difference. If you truly feel you can, run for office and
go from there. I could never do it as I could not sit across from someone
who doesn't care about anyone other than the big money that keeps him
or her in office.
One question Dan, how many times have you voted for the lesser of the two
evils the past several elections ? Good thing Edwards mucked up as I was
leaning his way. Sure can pick em, can't I ?

[Holy Smokes]

Originally Posted by jim p.

DB, what I worry about is the crazy's who may try to take over the
government. I do know this Dan, you and I going back and forth aren't
going to make a difference. If you truly feel you can, run for office and
go from there. I could never do it as I could not sit across from someone
who doesn't care about anyone other than the big money that keeps him
or her in office.
One question Dan, how many times have you voted for the lesser of the two
evils the past several elections ? Good thing Edwards mucked up as I was
leaning his way. Sure can pick em, can't I ?

I do not believe in slander
But am standing with DB on the charchter of our current prez
No one really wins in war
just one comes out on top

I say kick all the socialst ,and that is what we are becoming,
out
let me spell it agian
OUT
we need to get back to a real republic
not this controling majority demoracy

[Daniel Boone]

My wife voted for him. She has now seen enough to realize she would not vote for him again.

I dont share his views on imagration- we cannot open gates for all
Guns- We need more tougher laws on criminals and not gun control
God- We have always been a Christian Country and should stay that way.
Taxes- We cannot continue this trend of taxes. Where does the buck stop.

DB

[Daniel Boone]

Originally Posted by jim p.

DB, what I worry about is the crazy's who may try to take over the
government. I do know this Dan, you and I going back and forth aren't
going to make a difference. If you truly feel you can, run for office and
go from there. I could never do it as I could not sit across from someone
who doesn't care about anyone other than the big money that keeps him
or her in office.
One question Dan, how many times have you voted for the lesser of the two
evils the past several elections ? Good thing Edwards mucked up as I was
leaning his way. Sure can pick em, can't I ?

Talking about it does make others aware some care and we are voicing are opionions as Americans. Im secure and will most likely be fine the rest of my life depending on health issues. But JimP kids today may be looking at 80% taxation in the near future. I have seen it double just in my life time. It doesnt have to be this way. Change is needed but with change it takes sacrifice. Dont throw in the towel and accept everthing.
DB

[Too Many Hobbies]

Ok my 2 cents.

first of all Jim on your gun comment about the difference between guns today and guns in the late 1700s. It doesn't matter. the second ammendment reads "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That means that no matter what the government shall not stop me from having arms. In the 1700s a militia-man would have been expected to provide his own Musket/Rifle proablaby a pistol, gunpowder, balls, etc. Now if you are in a militia today you would be expected to use common day arms, ie M-16/M-4/AK-47/M-9/1911, etc. And before you go on about us not having a Militia any more, the wording simply provides for one use of Arms. Saying that the wording prohibits gun ownership now would be like saying that based on the sentance: "In order to make a good Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich, you need a jar of Peanut Butter," means that the only use of Peanut Butter is to make PB&J sandwiches. It doesn't make sense. Furthermore, the argument that forcing law abiding citizens to give up their firearms makes everyone safer is idiotic. The criminals are already breaking the laws, one more will affect them not at all. Look at crime rates if you doubt me. I agree with Charlton Heston. You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. Also remember that when seconds matter the cops are only minutes away.

Now as far as President Obama. He and his administration are looking to put a Ban on weapons again according to ABC news (Not exactly a hotbed of conservatives) http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1.

President Obama has already increased taxes on the middle class (16 days after taking office). And if you doubt me ask yourself if you know anyone who smokes. I would guess that you do. Then I would ask if they make more than $200,000. My guess is they would not. Then I direct your attention to this: http://www.infowars.com/no-new-taxes...s-tobacco-tax/. (From the associated Press). Obama did not promise not to raise income taxes on the middle class, he promised not to raise taxes period. I guess we know what his word is worth. Oh and before you tell me that that is one exception, that is simply not true. I direct your attention to his plan to increase capital gains taxes, death taxes, letting the Bush tax cuts expire, raising dividends taxes, etc. All of those apply to me and I promise that I do not make 200K. Now I agree that we need to get rid of the defecit and pay off the national debt; however, the way to do this is to STOP SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY, not take more of my money. Staring down the barrel of a Multi-Trillion dollar deficet he is spending more money. Not exactly responsible.

Obama has already said that "We are not a christian nation anymore." From a speech in Turkey. We are between 76% and 85% christian depending on the poll. Sorry Mr Obama we are christian.

As for disarming america of its nukes. The Solviets admitted that our defense spending especially on Nukes and Missle defense (two programs that Obama is cutting) is what helped lead to the collapse of their empire. Thus the argument that "talking" to our enemies will get them to like us better is naive at best and treasonous (via intentionally weakening the national defense which he swore to protect on 22 Jan 2009 when he swore to uphold the constitution: see the preamble) at worst. Now I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is simply naive, but that is dangerous none the less. The idea that a weaker america is better for the world is stupid, and I invite you to disprove me. The only thing that many of the psychotic leaders arround the world (see Kim Jong Il (North Korea), Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran) etc.) respect is strength. If you think that any of these or many others would hesitate to strike at the US if there were no consequences then think again. Think of the playground bully. They get all nice and sweet when the teacher shows up.

Now Jim you said one other thing that really boiled my blood. You said that Obama was more of an americian than McCain. Really?! You cannot seriously have said that. Now I do not believe that Obama was born in Kenya. There were birth announcments in two Hawiaian newspapers and that is good enough for me. But McCain was born to an Americian sailor serving his country (which means that he is a natural born citizen just like if he had been born Hawaii, Nebraska, Virginia, or any of the other 47 states), grew up to serve his country, and gave more than 90% of americians could ever dream of doing; whereas, Obama was born in the US and then proceeded to spend most of his growing up years outside of it. Obama may be Americian, but McCain defines it.

While you are absolutly entitled to your own opinions, I would appreciate it if you got your facts right first. Now the original post was not completely correct; however, it is true that for a while during the campaign Obama did not wear an americian flag lapel pin (Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299439,00.html), and it is true that once or twice he did not hold his hand over his heart during the national anthem (snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp). I did not vote for Obama and I can think of no serious possible presidential canidates that would make me vote for Obama in 2 1/2 years. He is bad for the country.

"The greatest force for good and peace in the world is the United States Military." - Me

[BowhuntnHoosier]

I'll take GWB any day over this clown we have now. I'll take my God,guns,freedom and you all can keep the change. I think a bunch of lazy people who wants something for nothing voted for him. A government that can give you all you want can take all you have. I believe in equal taxes. The Right to protect my family. And we must protect the unborn who cannot protect themselves. I now hear where they are talking about killing premature babies if the doctors believe they will have problems later in life. Talk about a God complex. ONLY GOD SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by BowhuntnHoosier

I'll take GWB any day over this clown we have now. I'll take my God,guns,freedom and you all can keep the change. I think a bunch of lazy people who wants something for nothing voted for him. A government that can give you all you want can take all you have. I believe in equal taxes. The Right to protect my family. And we must protect the unborn who cannot protect themselves. I now hear where they are talking about killing premature babies if the doctors believe they will have problems later in life. Talk about a God complex. ONLY GOD SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION.

Boy howdy, I shore feel priviliged to be hangin' with people that God speaks to and thru.
How about that Pope? Don't God speak thru him too?
So I guess God told him to protect pedophiles and become a Nazi?
Man, you Christians shore got it whupped...

[Daniel Boone]

Originally Posted by TomT

Boy howdy, I shore feel priviliged to be hangin' with people that God speaks to and thru.
How about that Pope? Don't God speak thru him too?
So I guess God told him to protect pedophiles and become a Nazi?
Man, you Christians shore got it whupped...

Some have strong faith TomT. Some feel this country was built on that strong faith and even placed it on ever dollar you spent. Its called faith and not being whupped. Heaven forbid we keep the faith. I hope the future generations have the right to believe in that faith. Some countrys dont.
DB

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Daniel Boone

Some have strong faith TomT. Some feel this country was built on that strong faith and even placed it on ever dollar you spent. Its called faith and not being whupped. Heaven forbid we keep the faith. I hope the future generations have the right to believe in that faith. Some countrys dont.
DB

You ain't the only one with "strong faith." I have faith that someday humankind will abandon superstition and allow his intellect to rule with logic and altruism toward others, and have the capacity to understand and accept those that are different.
Like the old sailors say, "Pray, but row AWAY from the rocks..."

[pse 24]

Abandon superstition? Could you please clarify this statement? Rule towards others but yet accept them? Please again clarify.

[Holy Smokes]

Originally Posted by TomT

You ain't the only one with "strong faith." I have faith that someday humankind will abandon superstition and allow his intellect to rule with logic and altruism toward others, and have the capacity to understand and accept those that are different.
Like the old sailors say, "Pray, but row AWAY from the rocks..."

Man a good dose of the Ghost(Holy) is what is ailing this man

[Carpshooter]

Time will tell everything not no fortune tellers who only cause some to worry endlessly !

I don't see much of a problem ,as we are going to pay for those who for some reason don't want to or can't anyway ,been doing that anyway except now those whose pride has kept them from seeking help ,may now get it . I guess there are some who don't care about their fellow human beings but rather some future that they can't predict anyway .

Like I wrote , time will tell what will happern ,so just wait !

PS. Many who complain are those who our government has helped now or in the past , just can't stand someone else getting some help !

[TomT]

Originally Posted by pse 24

Abandon superstition? Could you please clarify this statement? Rule towards others but yet accept them? Please again clarify.

As ALL religions are nothing but superstitions, as a species we need to abandon them and allow logic to dictate our actions.
Hopefully this clarifies it for you.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

Man a good dose of the Ghost(Holy) is what is ailing this man

Man, a good dose of reality will cure this man...

[pred8er]

Originally Posted by jim p.

DB, he doesn't want our guns. Tell me honestly, have you or anyone you
know lost theirs ? I'm a gun owner who is dammed if I do agree and dammed
if I don't agree with "gun rights". When our forefather's set up the
constitution and the right to bear arms was part of it. It did not mean the
gun capible of the kill power there is out there today. It was set up that all
had the right to have and carry what was available to the basic military
indivudial back then. Hell of a difference between a blackpowder flintlock to
today's guns. I'm a gun owner, mostly my dad and grand father's guns. If
it means saving one indivudial by me losing my guns in order to keep this
modern day killing power out of the hands of a nut then so be it. Take them.
As for what President Obama has done - well even though I don't agree with
everything in the health care bill, it has given 30+ M more Americans coverage.
He will sit down and talk with the leaders of the world to help stop the
threat of a nuke attack. President Obama has accomplished more in this first
year than most. Of course, no matter what he is able to accomplish for the
betterment of all Americans it won't be good enough.
You've talked impeachment - if there was ever anyone to impeach it is those
in our government who have sworn to serve this country then turn around
and do what I call acts of treason. They have no right to be a leader be it
in the senate, congress or governor.
DB, I'm not trying to be an a.. I truly feel he is trying to fix all the problems
he can for the average person. I guess if I made over a quarter of a million
dollars I would feel like he was attacking me. That's not going to happen,
I've been middle class all my life.
Do I sometimes question what he's doing - you bet I do. I do it with most
representatives in government. American's are better than that. We need
to be able to holds our heads high. Be what our ancestors instilled in us.
I don't believe the American people would elect someone (no matter what
side) due to the previous administration. There smarter than that. If they
truly felt McCain was the man, he would be in. He shot himself in the foot
when he brought in his running mate. Had he been the man he was ten
years earlier, I would of voted for him. What has happened to our country ?
We are making the ding bats famous and wealty plus feel the country would
be better if they were running it. Thank God the majority of the American
people see through this.
With this day and age of the computer, information is at our fingertips. We
can read and send things all day long if we choose to. Getting an email with
that is offensive (in any way, not just political) then forwarding it on does
not make it right. What is great is we can discuss just about everything as
adults. No need to get pi..ed off at anyone, we're all just normal middle class
people here. We can agree to disagree with respect for each other.

^^^^^Sheeple who hasn't read any legislation. Believes whatever is put in front of him from the MSM.

[pred8er]

Originally Posted by TomT

Man, a good dose of reality will cure this man...

Logic and reality dictate that although 30 million people need health care coverage it is better to cut them loose rather than take away the rights and earnings of the remaining 270 million who earn their way. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Also too, just because my neighbor, who recently lost his job, cannot afford to feed himself or his wife, I should not take food away from my wife and kids to help him because again, that would be illogical.

While I don't condone someone forcing religion down anyone else's throat, I will defend to the death someones right to practice their religion as long as it is not destructive to others lives (yes, I've actually sworn and signed my name to defend peoples rights). As a note, most religions have some form of outreach/charity programs to help people who are in the scenarios pointed out above. So while you can live your life according to logic and reason, don't bash someone who choses to have faith in their God. If you do, your as big a looser as the person who shoves religion down your throat.

[pse 24]

Originally Posted by TomT

As ALL religions are nothing but superstitions, as a species we need to abandon them and allow logic to dictate our actions.
Hopefully this clarifies it for you.

Prove your statement. I'll still pray for your soul tonight.

[Daniel Boone]

Im certianly glad I live in a state that doesnt buy into this President.

We still believe in Prayer here in the midwest.

DB

[TomT]

Originally Posted by pred8er

Logic and reality dictate that although 30 million people need health care coverage it is better to cut them loose rather than take away the rights and earnings of the remaining 270 million who earn their way. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Also too, just because my neighbor, who recently lost his job, cannot afford to feed himself or his wife, I should not take food away from my wife and kids to help him because again, that would be illogical.

While I don't condone someone forcing religion down anyone else's throat, I will defend to the death someones right to practice their religion as long as it is not destructive to others lives (yes, I've actually sworn and signed my name to defend peoples rights). As a note, most religions have some form of outreach/charity programs to help people who are in the scenarios pointed out above. So while you can live your life according to logic and reason, don't bash someone who choses to have faith in their God. If you do, your as big a looser as the person who shoves religion down your throat.

I'm not bashing anybody's religion, or the freedom to practice it. If they want to be deluded, let'em be. Just like Barnum said, "never underestimate the stupidy of the American public."
I just don't want it in governance, and I'd like to see the tax-exempt status of ALL religious institutions revoked.
That's only fair, as many run businesses on the side and pay no taxes on property.
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."

[TomT]

Originally Posted by pse 24

Prove your statement. I'll still pray for your soul tonight.

As you can't "prove" the existence of God, I can't "prove" his/her non-existence, it would be futile for me, or anyone else to try.
I can appeal to your logic by saying that religion exists to explain the inexplicable, and as as man develops the science and technology to explain his environment to a greater degree, he requires the superstitions of older ages less and less, that attempted to explain it by metaphor and fable.
We all should never lose the ability to wonder at the world, and what it took to create it from primordial particles 14.3 billion years ago.
I know I haven't ....

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Daniel Boone

Im certianly glad I live in a state that doesnt buy into this President.

We still believe in Prayer here in the midwest.

DB

For your consideration:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...rs-prayer.html

[Daniel Boone]

Originally Posted by TomT

I'm not bashing anybody's religion, or the freedom to practice it. If they want to be deluded, let'em be. Just like Barnum said, "never underestimate the stupidy of the American public."
I just don't want it in governance, and I'd like to see the tax-exempt status of ALL religious institutions revoked.
That's only fair, as many run businesses on the side and pay no taxes on property.
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."

So your in favor of eliminating the Constitution and the principals of what built this country. Exactly what Im saying is happening with this President and why I'm against him. Ill stay with the words on are money. In God we Trust!
Fore Fathers knew exactly what they wanted when they came to this country and were willing to fight for it. I quess we actually could get to the point where fellow americans seek other places to live like are fore fathers. Lord I prayer for future generations.
DB

[pse 24]

Originally Posted by TomT

As you can't "prove" the existence of God, I can't "prove" his/her non-existence, it would be futile for me, or anyone else to try.
I can appeal to your logic by saying that religion exists to explain the inexplicable, and as as man develops the science and technology to explain his environment to a greater degree, he requires the superstitions of older ages less and less, that attempted to explain it by metaphor and fable.
We all should never lose the ability to wonder at the world, and what it took to create it from primordial particles 14.3 billion years ago.
I know I haven't ....

I can prove God exist. Your breathing right? TADA!!!

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Daniel Boone

So your in favor of eliminating the Constitution and the principals of what built this country. Exactly what Im saying is happening with this President and why I'm against him. Ill stay with the words on are money. In God we Trust!
Fore Fathers knew exactly what they wanted when they came to this country and were willing to fight for it. I quess we actually could get to the point where fellow americans seek other places to live like are fore fathers. Lord I prayer for future generations.
DB

The Constitution states that the government "will not establish any state religion," and guarantees the "right of religious freedom." That means ALL religions, and also the freedom from religion if you wish.
The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were drafted and ratified by wealthy white land and slave owners, that didn't recgonize the "rights" of blacks, Indians, women, or non-property owning adults.
I would suggest that you review the history of these documents and how they were drafted, and you'll see the controversy over "In God We Trust," by the majority of "freethinkers" making up the "forefathers..."