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Old 02-12-2011, 08:01 AM   #1
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Default Vegas, Men's unlimited-Championship. 299 you're toast.

Vegas, Men's unlimited championship flight is one tough flight. A shooter knows at the moment his arrow sails into the the 9 ring, it's over. There is no catching-up, and the field is not coming back to you. The thoughts that go thru your mind at that moment; the hours of practice, all the hassel in the airports, all the money spent and no chance of winning. These guys are tough to be able to endure this.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:31 AM   #2
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I agree. Bad part is , if you do not shoot 300 with 30xs you still might not make the shootoff!!

Just goes to show how good these guys really are.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:02 AM   #3
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It would be nice if there was a standard diameter for arrows, maybe the diameter size of an easton 1714 or 1814(used just for example). I know the big arrow manufacturers would never allow this because they are large sponsors of tournaments and have a lot of control over standards. Other sports such as golf, baseball, tennis have use one size ball.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:24 AM   #4
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I agree. Bad part is , if you do not shoot 300 with 30xs you still might not make the shootoff!!

Just goes to show how good these guys really are.
Not true....you can still get in with a 299...BUT only one. A 599 gets you into the Lucky Dog shootoff. Winner of that makes the shoot off.

But on top of that Xs in the Championship division DON'T MEAN SQUAT....other then the person with the highest X count each day gets $1000 from B-Stinger. To make the shoot off all you need to do is shoot a 900....doesn't matter if its a 900 with 30 Xs or 60 Xs or 89 Xs your in the shootoff. Indoor Nationals and in the flights and other championship divisions Xs matter.

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It would be nice if there was a standard diameter for arrows, maybe the diameter size of an easton 1714 or 1814(used just for example). I know the big arrow manufacturers would never allow this because they are large sponsors of tournaments and have a lot of control over standards. Other sports such as golf, baseball, tennis have use one size ball.
For what? All of those companies that make big shafts make little ones to. I shoot CX and they have big giant arrows but they also make Nanos which are about the thinnest arrow on the market. But trust me everyone in that group is shooting the same size shaft for the most part....if they aren't that's their own choosing. You can't compare ball size....first of all it's a different sport....a better comparison is ball size vs TARGET size. Everyone is using the same size target. In baseball not everyone uses the same size glove. You gonna tell a CF or 1st baseman he has to use the same size glove as the SS? You going to tell Phil that he can't use a 64* wedge because someone else isn't?

But if you think that if they went down to even the International arrow size of 9.3mm (2315) that these guys wouldn't shoot the same scores your VERY mistaken. I shoot with Braden G and his scores on that face are the EXACT same with his CX 27s as they are with his 9.3 arrows. THE EXACT same...In Nimes a month ago in his qualifying round (60 arrows) he missed the X 4 times total....even if he shot is outdoor FITA setup with his Nanos he would still shoot a 900...his X count would just be a touch lower because the shafts are so much smaller. You can fit 10 or 11 of my Nanos inside the X ring on a Vegas face (I just checked). These guys shoot the bigger shafts because its allowed and everyone else is. I remember one year at Indoor Nationals Jesse B shot his X 10s because he knew that after a few ends during the shoot off they were going to inside out scoring. Cousins did the same thing last year. Arrow size does not matter to these guys....but you are seriously at a disadvantage if you stay with a smaller shaft if everyone else is shooting the bigger shaft. When the $ is on the line you would be stupid to not keep up with the Jones'
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Not true....you can still get in with a 299...BUT only one. A 599 gets you into the Lucky Dog shootoff. Winner of that makes the shoot off.

But on top of that Xs in the Championship division DON'T MEAN SQUAT....other then the person with the highest X count each day gets $1000 from B-Stinger. To make the shoot off all you need to do is shoot a 900....doesn't matter if its a 900 with 30 Xs or 60 Xs or 89 Xs your in the shootoff. Indoor Nationals and in the flights and other championship divisions Xs matter.



For what? All of those companies that make big shafts make little ones to. I shoot CX and they have big giant arrows but they also make Nanos which are about the thinnest arrow on the market. But trust me everyone in that group is shooting the same size shaft for the most part....if they aren't that's their own choosing. You can't compare ball size....first of all it's a different sport....a better comparison is ball size vs TARGET size. Everyone is using the same size target. In baseball not everyone uses the same size glove. You gonna tell a CF or 1st baseman he has to use the same size glove as the SS? You going to tell Phil that he can't use a 64* wedge because someone else isn't?

But if you think that if they went down to even the International arrow size of 9.3mm (2315) that these guys wouldn't shoot the same scores your VERY mistaken. I shoot with Braden G and his scores on that face are the EXACT same with his CX 27s as they are with his 9.3 arrows. THE EXACT same...In Nimes a month ago in his qualifying round (60 arrows) he missed the X 4 times total....even if he shot is outdoor FITA setup with his Nanos he would still shoot a 900...his X count would just be a touch lower because the shafts are so much smaller. You can fit 10 or 11 of my Nanos inside the X ring on a Vegas face (I just checked). These guys shoot the bigger shafts because its allowed and everyone else is. I remember one year at Indoor Nationals Jesse B shot his X 10s because he knew that after a few ends during the shoot off they were going to inside out scoring. Cousins did the same thing last year. Arrow size does not matter to these guys....but you are seriously at a disadvantage if you stay with a smaller shaft if everyone else is shooting the bigger shaft. When the $ is on the line you would be stupid to not keep up with the Jones'
When I said big arrow manufacture I was not referring to the arrow size but the size of the company making the arrows, yes I know easton, cx, and others make different size shafts other than the big line cutter shafts.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:25 AM   #6
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How many shooters do they allow into the shootdown?
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:24 AM   #7
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When I said big arrow manufacture I was not referring to the arrow size but the size of the company making the arrows, yes I know easton, cx, and others make different size shafts other than the big line cutter shafts.
Easton only makes that shaft that big because GT came out with them.....Easton sells more target arrows in the FITA market then they do over here. They have a 9.3 ruling...if the NFAA wasn't run by a bunch of pansies then there would be no 2712s to begin with. But a few years ago when the MEMBERS voted to go to a 9.3 size shaft the NFAA was afraid to man up to Easton.

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How many shooters do they allow into the shootdown?
However many shoot a 900....there is no maximum # of shooters. If 10 people shoot a 900 then 10 people will be shooting in the shoot off. If 40 shoot a 900 then there will be 40 people shooting.
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Old 02-12-2011, 06:52 PM   #8
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Then it really does matter how many Xs you shoot. 1 lucky guy gets to move on . If there are 10 of them that shoot 299 then the one with the highest X count moves on right?

I know you get to move on if you shoot 900 but what about the lucky dog?

Just take a look at the results as of today.

All these guys stand at 599. Just different X count


2- 018B GELLENTHIEN Braden USA United States Of America 300/ 2 299/62 0 0 599 56
25 2- 042B TERHUNE Jeremy USA United States Of America 299/46 300/ 5 0 0 599 55
26 2- 038D MCCARTHY Dan USA United States Of America 299/53 300/ 1 0 0 599 54
26 2- 047A MORGAN Levi USA United States Of America 299/44 300/20 0 0 599 54
26 2- 017D WHITE Chris GBR Great Britain 299/44 300/20 0 0 599 54
29 2- 029D SCHAFF Kris USA United States Of America 299/48 300/13 0 0 599 53
29 2- 021D WILDE Logan USA United States Of America 299/53 300/ 5 0 0 599 53
31 2- 012D BUSBY Duncan GBR Great Britain 299/48 300/20 0 0 599 52
31 2- 045C DESPART James USA United States Of America 299/46 300/31 0 0 599 52
31 2- 025A DOLDERMAN Sander NED Nederlands 299/48 300/20 0 0 599 52
31 2- 040C HACKER Chris USA United States Of America 299/57 300/ 5 0 0 599 52
31 2- 015C SMITH JR Gary USA United States Of America 299/53 300/13 0 0 599 52
36 2- 040D SWIFT Kurtis USA United States Of America 299/57 300/13 0 0 599 51
37 2- 022D ANDERSON Michael V. USA United States Of America 300/23 299/64 0 0 599 50
37 2- 033C GRESHOCK Jedd USA United States Of America 300/14 299/71 0 0 599 50
37 2- 007D HOFER Patrizio SUI Switzerland 300/14 299/71 0 0 599 50
37 2- 009B POTTER Richard USA United States Of America 299/68 300/ 5 0 0 599 50
37 2- 038B SCHAFF Josh USA United States Of America 299/57 300/20 0 0 599 50
37 2- 018A TRILLUS Dietmar USA United States Of America 300/23 299/64 0 0 599 50
37 2- 043D WILLS Shane USA United States Of America 300/23 299/64 0 0 599 50
44 2- 034D ELZINGA Peter NED Nederlands 299/57 300/31 0 0 599 49
44 2- 016B JOHNSON Cabe CAN Canada 300/14 299/79 0 0 599 49
44 2- 046C POOLE Greg USA United States Of America 299/57 300/31 0 0 599 49
44 2- 030D REYES Brandon USA United States Of America 300/14 299/79 0 0 599 49
44 2- 022B ROOF Charles USA United States Of America 300/23 299/71 0 0 599 49
49 2- 042A BAKER JR Brad USA United States Of America 300/30 299/71 0 0 599 48
49 2- 021C BROOKS Nathan USA United States Of America 299/65 300/31 0 0 599 48
49 2- 043C CLELAND Ben USA United States Of America 300/14 299/85 0 0 599 48
49 2- 046D MULL Dan USA United States Of America 300/14 299/85 0 0 599 48
49 2- 019A OOSTERLINCK Chris USA United States Of America 299/78 300/13 0 0 599 48
54 2- 031A ENGLISH Ben USA United States Of America 299/57 300/48 0 0 599 47
54 2- 005D STARRY Scott USA United States Of America 300/33 299/71 0 0 599 47
56 2- 031B TURNQUIST Andy USA United States Of America 299/81 300/20 0 0 599 46
57 2- 044D PERO IV John USA United States Of America 299/68 300/48 0 0 599 45
57 2- 034B VARECHON Dimitri FRA France 299/65 300/55 0 0 599 45
59 2- 016D MORGAN Rob USA United States Of America 299/81 300/40 0 0 599 44
60 2- 002A MCHENRY Dennis USA United States Of America 299/68 300/59 0 0 599 42
60 2- 040A THOMAS Ricky USA United States Of America 299/88 300/40 0 0 599 42
62 2- 005B HOCH Lynn USA United States Of America 300/33 299/99 0 0 599 41
63 2- 027C HEUVEL John USA United States Of America 299/90 300/55 0 0 599 37
64 2- 014B AYERSMAN Garrett USA United States Of America 299/48 299/64 0 0 598 52

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1 2- 014A ANNEN Nicholas USA United States Of America 300/ 1 300/ 1 0 0 600 59
2 2- 017B WILDE Reo USA United States Of America 300/ 2 300/ 1 0 0 600 58
3 2- 033D RYALS George Iv USA United States Of America 300/ 2 300/13 0 0 600 56
4 2- 032C THOMPSON Nshan USA United States Of America 300/10 300/ 5 0 0 600 55
5 2- 013C BRAZELL Glen USA United States Of America 300/14 300/ 1 0 0 600 54
5 2- 039B BUTTS James USA United States Of America 300/12 300/ 5 0 0 600 54
5 2- 019B COUSINS Dave USA United States Of America 300/ 7 300/20 0 0 600 54
5 2- 017C PHELPS Jacob USA United States Of America 300/12 300/ 5 0 0 600 54
9 2- 018C BROADWATER Jesse USA United States Of America 300/ 7 300/31 0 0 600 53
9 2- 037C PAGNI Sergio ITA Italy 300/ 7 300/31 0 0 600 53
9 2- 026D STARNES Scott USA United States Of America 300/10 300/20 0 0 600 53
9 2- 041C THOMPSON Cody USA United States Of America 300/ 2 300/40 0 0 600 53
13 2- 034A DAMSBO Martin DEN Denmark 300/14 300/20 0 0 600 51
13 2- 020D EYLER Bob USA United States Of America 300/23 300/13 0 0 600 51
15 2- 042C IRVIN Mitchell USA United States Of America 300/14 300/31 0 0 600 50
15 2- 020C WOODY Kendall USA United States Of America 300/30 300/13 0 0 600 50
17 2- 016C HOPKINS Jeff USA United States Of America 300/37 300/20 0 0 600 47
17 2- 026A TATARYN Kevin CAN Canada 300/30 300/40 0 0 600 47
19 2- 018D BEAUFOUEF Chance USA United States Of America 300/33 300/48 0 0 600 45
20 2- 047C OSMONSON Eric USA United States Of America 300/37 300/48 0 0 600 44
20 2- 047B PAYNE Russell USA United States Of America 300/23 300/59 0 0 600 44
22 2- 037A SCHERER Gregory USA United States Of America 300/42 300/40 0 0 600 41
23 2- 039A SHAW Kevin USA United States Of America 300/39 300/59 0 0 600 40
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a friend of mine is shooting in that class. i think he is in like 91st.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:39 AM   #11
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No...Xs don't MATTER until you get to the shootoff. Even for the Lucky Dog. They shoot off. They don't just give it to the guy with the highest X count.
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:45 PM   #12
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Why even keep track of them?
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:35 PM   #13
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Three rounds into the final rounds and 18 are clean.

Getting down to the nitty gritty now.

Lucky dog should be quite the tournament in itself.

Braden, Broadwater, Brooks, Wills and Hopkins with Macarthey just to name a few good ones.
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