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Old 05-02-2011, 08:31 AM   #1
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This is starting to drive me crazy........

A few of the local clubs putting on 3d shoots are getting carried away on some targets by placing brush infront of the 10 and 11 ring.

Do you shoot it as it sets, move to the side for a clear shot, or just break off the offensive branch and make your shot?

I'll break it off if I can reach it if not I'll step off to the side to get a clear shot or shoot the back rings if advailable. I was told it was to make it more like a hunting situation......I wouldn't shoot through brush at a deer why should I have for a 3d shoot? Beside 3d doesn't have nothing to do with hunting, the only thing the 2 have in common is the color of the targets.
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Personally I would step to the side and shoot. I am not into 3D all that much and just do it to tune up for hunting. I personally like the targets with different ojects potentially blocking the vitals.
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I always take issue with shots like this. There are lots of ways to make shots difficult, but always give a clear shot at the vitals, including the "8" scoring area. Tunnel shots where you may have to get on the knees to shoot. You can hide part of the animal behind brush or shoot between trees. Quarter the animal a bit. Any of these things work well to mess with the shooters ability to judge the yardage or mess with the mind little bit., but give the shooters the whole vital area.

I'm with you though. 3D has nothing to do with hunting. It's simply another target venue. There just isn't a defined bullseye to shoot at. I'd clear the offending brush from the path just for spite and then let the people running the shoot know about it and voice my displeasure.
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Old 05-02-2011, 12:02 PM   #4
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Personally I would step to the side and shoot. I am not into 3D all that much and just do it to tune up for hunting. I personally like the targets with different ojects potentially blocking the vitals.
What about a round of 3d tunes you up for hunting?
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I always take issue with shots like this. There are lots of ways to make shots difficult, but always give a clear shot at the vitals, including the "8" scoring area. Tunnel shots where you may have to get on the knees to shoot. You can hide part of the animal behind brush or shoot between trees. Quarter the animal a bit. Any of these things work well to mess with the shooters ability to judge the yardage or mess with the mind little bit., but give the shooters the whole vital area.

I'm with you though. 3D has nothing to do with hunting. It's simply another target venue. There just isn't a defined bullseye to shoot at. I'd clear the offending brush from the path just for spite and then let the people running the shoot know about it and voice my displeasure.


I got no problem with setting up the target with the 10 ring next to a tree........it adds alittle pressure aiming in next to a 8 inch tree and it's always fun to rub it in when someone sinks one into the tree. But the brush shots got to stop. I hate to be the winer but I believe I'm gonna voice my opinion at league this week.
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Something to think about for those who set up the shoots.... set up the targets for different hieghts of people....brush might not be in the way for one person, yet totally block the shot for someone else.
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What about a round of 3d tunes you up for hunting?
Looking at an actual animal size target versus a bag or spots can make a difference. At least it does for me.
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I NEVER set a target that the 8 ring is not clear on. I wouldn't take a shot in the woods that the "8 ring" area is not clear on so I'd step aside until it was - that's While 3D isn't hunting, when setting a target I ask myself "would I take that shoot in a hunting situation" if the answer is no I change it until I would. I'd have a word with whoever is running the shoot as well; if I did not get satisfaction I would not be back.

PS for Wheely: I do try to remember to bend around as I look at the shot from the stakes to try and be sure different height people still have a shot
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:00 PM   #9
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Something to think about for those who set up the shoots.... set up the targets for different hieghts of people....brush might not be in the way for one person, yet totally block the shot for someone else.


I think someone here is vertically challenged.


but yes, it should be clear enough for all heights too.
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there is a few clubs around here that set shots like this and i don't care for it if the animals head or back side is blocked thats one thing but leave the rings open short or tall they should be seen by all
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I think someone here is vertically challenged.

I am 5' 8", so I am not as vertically challenged as some
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:07 PM   #12
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we might put a log in front of the target or in between trees or a branch just over the top or something , but the vitals are always clear enough for a fair chance at a good shot.
it is hard to keep in mind short people, tall people lefty or righty, but we try to do it so everyone can make the shot.

challenging is and can be fun, making it so you will tear something up trying to "thread the needle" is not a lot of fun to me especially as much as arrows cost.

hard quatering shots are really tough wometimes but like you guys say that is ok as long as it is not blocked by a ton of junk.
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I am 5' 8", so I am not as vertically challenged as some
Whats that supposed to mean?
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been shooting 3d since the concept and before paper
I have shot thru a 4" pvc pipe in the forks of a dogwood to get the 10
backed off a treestand shot trying to get a clear shot thru the brush
fortunately my foot caught in the step and only fell back on the steps
this is just a smaple of some of the shots we used to do back in tha day of real men archery
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been shooting 3d since the concept and before paper
I have shot thru a 4" pvc pipe in the forks of a dogwood to get the 10
backed off a treestand shot trying to get a clear shot thru the brush
fortunately my foot caught in the step and only fell back on the steps
this is just a smaple of some of the shots we used to do back in tha day of real men archery
Back in Smokes day they use to give em 10 minute to build the bow out of maple branches and cat gut before each shoot.
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I like to set the shooting stake so that you have to shoot standing up in a hammock. Only kidding.

I guess that clubs can set up the targets like they want but most organization rules require the kill zone to be clear of obstacles.

Just let the club know that all blocked targets will be scored with the highest score possible without an arrow being fired. That will arouse some discussion about how the targets should be set. My guess is that these targets are being set by inexperienced guys or by guys that want to put some luck into the game so that they might have a better chance to win.
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I like to set the shooting stake so that you have to shoot standing up in a hammock. Only kidding.

I guess that clubs can set up the targets like they want but most organization rules require the kill zone to be clear of obstacles.

Just let the club know that all blocked targets will be scored with the highest score possible without an arrow being fired. That will arouse some discussion about how the targets should be set. My guess is that these targets are being set by inexperienced guys or by guys that want to put some luck into the game so that they might have a better chance to win.



I don't think it's anything as sinister as that, I mean it is only a weekly league with nothin more than braggin rights at stake..........if anything it's a " let's see how many arrows we get with this one, hehehehe."
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I enjoy the challenge that it brings but I do have a problem with some clubs that set their corse up for right handed people only. I have been to clubs where they set up the pin and for me, being left handed, it is nearly impossible to stand on the pin and get a shot off. I wish clubs would be a little more cosiderate of that.
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The idea of having ANY of the scoring rings blocked is moronic. Being a lefty I run into this more often than my right handed commrads. I will side step to get an open look at the scoring rings everytime. I'm not going to ruin a $20 arrow cause a course setter wants to get cute.

Lets face it, these days 3D is much more of a target scoring round than a simulated hunting round. If it wasn't, every target would be anotomically correct. Not a paunch liver shot 14.
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I take issue when the target is quartering away and the scoring ring would result in a crappy shot in the real world. Hard to reinforce waiting for the right shot for a beginner hunter when they set them up like that.
I don't mind shooting from the knees if necessary for a clear shot but there should be a clear crack at the vitals and the "animal" at a decent angle. More than 1 shoot we've pocketed the score cards and shot them like we should on a real animal just because of the quartering away issue. I don't hunt from the ground but if your going to use animal 3d targets, at least make it a shot you'd actually take. Otherwise put paper targets out there.
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Some clubs also don't take Lefties into consideration when setting
up targets either.
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About 8 years ago, I went to a 3-D shoot that did that kind of crap. I ended up messing up almost a whole dozen arrows. I got about 2/3 through the course, and said the heck with it. The people running the shoot asked me if I was through, and I told them I was through ever shooting there. I guess they wanted to keep their own bunch happy. I know there was one guy that was a pro, and when all was said and done, he didn't even get in the top 3.
As far as 3-D goes, I love the shoots. But you also have to think a bit ahead. This future of this sport depends on how many you can get to shoot, but it also depends on how many you can keep coming back. The shoot I went to had the hunter stake way off from the other stakes, in a bunch of folaige and stuff. And like any other sport, the youth are our future,, so you need to think a couple of moves ahead. We ended up last year voting out a club in our coalition, because the way our local championship course had been set up. The idiot that set the course up had been a member of the group that I talked about earlier. Now we are down to 6 clubs. You shouldn't go to a shoot thinking how much crap you got to shoot through just to hit the target.
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I voted step aside. With that said you sholdnt have to shoot through limbs and branches. However I dont have a problem changing levels or shooting from my knees or leaning away from the stake to take the shot. It makes it interesting. IF all targets were set out in the open and all broadside you might as well have the shoot in an open field. For me that is what makes it fun and different than just shooting the same 3 3d targets I have set up in my back yard.
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This is a problem here is Wisconsin. Too many BRUSH shoots. Most are indoors, but, there are some stupid set ups out side too. IMO these are and should be called novelty shoots.

A couple of years ago Myself,two sons and a friend went a nearby shoot and it was very intersting.....around the 5th target I looked at the target and felt I could not get a shot, the score keeper tells me "Its a brush shoot". I pass and take a zero. My eldest some how puts an arrow through a tangle of brush and scores. My friend puts the tip of his shoe on the mark almost lays down so that his 6'-2" frame can find a clear path and shoots a 12. Then we shoot at a spinning box hanging from the ceiling and get pass throughs, into corrugated steel, and have to shoot again. We finaly get to a steel target. My freind gets another pass through into....yes a metal wall....and the score keeper says "shoot again, or take a zero". He shot, and you could just see thge nock, getting the points. When we left eh and my oldes son had the high score by a wide margin( 3PM Sunday of weekend shoot). No checks, no payout. Every shoot prior to that, they posted scores online.....this is the shot they stopped, no one knows who won

I really don't have a problem with these shoots, but, allow all those shooting to be able to make a shot!
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This is starting to drive me crazy........

A few of the local clubs putting on 3d shoots are getting carried away on some targets by placing brush infront of the 10 and 11 ring.

Do you shoot it as it sets, move to the side for a clear shot, or just break off the offensive branch and make your shot?

I'll break it off if I can reach it if not I'll step off to the side to get a clear shot or shoot the back rings if advailable. I was told it was to make it more like a hunting situation......I wouldn't shoot through brush at a deer why should I have for a 3d shoot? Beside 3d doesn't have nothing to do with hunting, the only thing the 2 have in common is the color of the targets.

A lot of people setting up shots like this seem to forget or don't get it....3D maybe used as practice for some for hunting.....but 3D shoots are ARCHERY TOURNAMENTS....not fake hunting tournament.

Stop putting crap in the way.
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I came across a impossible shot a few weeks back at a shoot, the target was behind a thicket and there was no way to squeeze a arrow through it so we stepped to the side till we could get a decent shot at it..did i mention it was a 36 yard shot?

talked to the group ahead of us and they shot through it..5 guys and 1 arrow hit the target, 2 arrows lost. I did say something to a guy at the club.
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1st i step over & shoot
2nd i tell the club where the junk shot is.
3rd next shoot i find a better club.
most of the time i have 2-6 shooters with me so at $10.a head bad shots can cost a club 2-$300..bucks a year just from us.i'm sure lots of others do the same....so keep the kills clear & make money .
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1st i step over & shoot
2nd i tell the club where the junk shot is.
3rd next shoot i find a better club.
most of the time i have 2-6 shooters with me so at $10.a head bad shots can cost a club 2-$300..bucks a year just from us.i'm sure lots of others do the same....so keep the kills clear & make money .

yeap, junk up around the 8 and 10 rings all you want but leave the score rings open.

I made a comment about not shooting my 12 dollars arrows through brush shots. we'll see if it's any better this week.
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i really take my 3-d seriously and for that matter there needs not to be anything in the way of the path of the arrow. asa or ibo dont do that nonsense.
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