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Old 05-21-2007, 09:24 AM   #1
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Let me start out by saying I had a great time!! Beautiful weather, beautiful ranges,and beautiful women...
Congrats to the IBO for a great shoot.
but there are two things that sucked.
#1 If you were not shooting, say just a wife or friend that wanted to watch you shoot, the IBO was charging $10 for them just to walk along with you!.
Now after I just payed $165 to the IBO to shoot, it was an extra $10 for my buddy to watch.
#2 All 70 or 80 semi-pro shooters had to meet at 8 am. Then we were all sent to the same range at the same time. My group was one of the last one called, but ended up the last group out. And an hour and 45 min. later, We got to shoot our first target. And on target #2, people who were on their second range caught us. So we were on target 2 they were on target 12, and they started an hour later than us.
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$10 to watch??

thats complete crap right there....
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$10 to watch??

thats complete crap right there....
I know. I would like to know who thought that one up. Bet they were the ones takin home the cash.
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I agree on both points. I bet the $10 fee for guests was to buy insurance for them. I go to a RC Jet show each year and they sell pit passes for anyone that wants to get up close and that money goes for insurance.

With most all of the shots set-up to be "Shoot and Continue", it would hard to do a shotgun start, but it seems like something could be done to improve the backup at the start.
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I know. I would like to know who thought that one up. Bet they were the ones takin home the cash.
No no one pocketed any money the IBO has always charged 10 and why insurance cost if they have paid then they are covered. What sucked for me was the fact that rinehart targets is all i ever see and with the mckenzie buy out the kills were plenty different from what we are use to.
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Let me start out by saying I had a great time!! Beautiful weather, beautiful ranges,and beautiful women...
Congrats to the IBO for a great shoot.
but there are two things that sucked.
#1 If you were not shooting, say just a wife or friend that wanted to watch you shoot, the IBO was charging $10 for them just to walk along with you!.
Now after I just payed $165 to the IBO to shoot, it was an extra $10 for my buddy to watch.
#2 All 70 or 80 semi-pro shooters had to meet at 8 am. Then we were all sent to the same range at the same time. My group was one of the last one called, but ended up the last group out. And an hour and 45 min. later, We got to shoot our first target. And on target #2, people who were on their second range caught us. So we were on target 2 they were on target 12, and they started an hour later than us.
If everyone followed the 2 minute rule, things would go a lot faster for everyone involved...

I understand your pain, but your pro/semi pros bring it on yourselves. We had a boy shooting in a youth class get behind 4 groups of pros sunday. It took the kid 4 hours to shoot his final 10 targets......
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No no one pocketed any money the IBO has always charged 10 and why insurance cost if they have paid then they are covered. What sucked for me was the fact that rinehart targets is all i ever see and with the mckenzie buy out the kills were plenty different from what we are use to.
I'm sure their insurance covers IBO members. The $10 fee might be to cover non-members. Just speculation, but non-members would not be covered under their policy. I guess they could just charge walkers $25 to be IBO members and let them walk the range.
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If everyone followed the 2 minute rule, things would go a lot faster for everyone involved...

I understand your pain, but your pro/semi pros bring it on yourselves. We had a boy shooting in a youth class get behind 4 groups of pros sunday. It took the kid 4 hours to shoot his final 10 targets......
2 minuets is a long time to take on a target.....and if you are last in your group.....you cant tell me you need the full ten minuets anyway......you have seen the target for what like 6-8 minuets at the minimum.....
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I haven't seen any scores posted yet. Anyone have the tops ten from some of the classes?
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2 minuets is a long time to take on a target.....and if you are last in your group.....you cant tell me you need the full ten minuets anyway......you have seen the target for what like 6-8 minuets at the minimum.....
You'd think that the pros would take less time wouldn't you? Aren't they the masters of judging yardage? If I take 2 minutes it's because I suck at judging yardage and I have to redo it 10 or 15 times and then average out the 10 or 15 different yardages I've gotten. Most of these guys look at the target and automatically "know" the yardage. They should have seen enough of these targets to know where the 11 ring is. A quick glance through the binos should do the trick. To nock an arrow draw and shoot should take about 30-45 seconds at the most. The rest of it must be their efforts to make sure everyone knows they are there and are "important".....
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You'd think that the pros would take less time wouldn't you? Aren't they the masters of judging yardage? If I take 2 minutes it's because I suck at judging yardage and I have to redo it 10 or 15 times and then average out the 10 or 15 different yardages I've gotten. Most of these guys look at the target and automatically "know" the yardage. They should have seen enough of these targets to know where the 11 ring is. A quick glance through the binos should do the trick. To nock an arrow draw and shoot should take about 30-45 seconds at the most. The rest of it must be their efforts to make sure everyone knows they are there and are "important".....
that or they are having a tuff time, deciding which shoulder to carry there chair on......

do they bring chairs to IBO events or is it only ASA.....I have never been to one....so thats why I ask....
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2 minuets is a long time to take on a target.....and if you are last in your group.....you cant tell me you need the full ten minuets anyway......you have seen the target for what like 6-8 minuets at the minimum.....
ok, you have 80 guys shooting, first group out is fine, last group out has a 160 minute wait for each guy to take 2 minutes to shoot. So we waited 1 3/4 hours, about 45 minutes less than if everyone was taking 2 minutes.
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that or they are having a tuff time, deciding which shoulder to carry there chair on......

do they bring chairs to IBO events or is it only ASA.....I have never been to one....so thats why I ask....
Chairs, umbrellas, coolers........you get the point.

The hardest part is making sure there is adequate golf cart parking at each set of stakes.....
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Chairs, umbrellas, coolers........you get the point.

The hardest part is making sure there is adequate golf cart parking at each set of stakes.....
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Let me start out by saying I had a great time!! Beautiful weather, beautiful ranges,and beautiful women...
Congrats to the IBO for a great shoot.
but there are two things that sucked.
#1 If you were not shooting, say just a wife or friend that wanted to watch you shoot, the IBO was charging $10 for them just to walk along with you!.
Now after I just payed $165 to the IBO to shoot, it was an extra $10 for my buddy to watch.
#2 All 70 or 80 semi-pro shooters had to meet at 8 am. Then we were all sent to the same range at the same time. My group was one of the last one called, but ended up the last group out. And an hour and 45 min. later, We got to shoot our first target. And on target #2, people who were on their second range caught us. So we were on target 2 they were on target 12, and they started an hour later than us.
The back-up your speaking of is already being discussed.(Sat. night.) Do you have a good way to fix it? Tee times won't work. We haven't really found a good way to fix it yet, but, we know about it. A friend of mine shot the same class as you, he said not everyone had to wait. It does suck, but no one seems to have an answer.
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More dedicated class ranges Only HC coarse. Pro only coarse. Open only coarse.
It is already like that somewhat. The pros only shoot at the fairgrounds on Sunday so they can mingle with the ams. (bad idea in my opinion.) Do you realize how many classes there are? It already takes over 2000 man hours to put the shoot on! There is a list of the number of shooters per class from previous years, they are split up so that there should be an equal amount per range. I don't think setting up 30 ranges with 40 targets in each one is possible.
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It is already like that somewhat. The pros only shoot at the fairgrounds on Sunday so they can mingle with the ams. (bad idea in my opinion.) Do you realize how many classes there are? It already takes over 2000 man hours to put the shoot on! There is a list of the number of shooters per class from previous years, they are split up so that there should be an equal amount per range. I don't think setting up 30 ranges with 40 targets in each one is possible.
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The back-up your speaking of is already being discussed.(Sat. night.) Do you have a good way to fix it? Tee times won't work. We haven't really found a good way to fix it yet, but, we know about it. A friend of mine shot the same class as you, he said not everyone had to wait. It does suck, but no one seems to have an answer.
we all had to start on range O, while range M and P sat empty. They could have split the semi pro's up to start on 2 different ranges. ANd then the Pro's on the other two ranges. Just a thought. I don't know exactly what ranges every class there shot.
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Chairs, umbrellas, coolers........you get the point.

The hardest part is making sure there is adequate golf cart parking at each set of stakes.....
That's too funny...

Over here you'd have to have a golf cart with 4 wheel drive, front and rear lockers, at least a 4" suspension lift and 4 35" mudders mounted on those puny rims...


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we all had to start on range O, while range M and P sat empty. They could have split the semi pro's up to start on 2 different ranges. ANd then the Pro's on the other two ranges. Just a thought. I don't know exactly what ranges every class there shot.
That was brought up, and this is what was said.
If they start them at different ranges, wouldn't they be meeting groups who have already shot the range they are headed to? How would you keep them from passing on info to their buddys?
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That was brought up, and this is what was said.
If they start them at different ranges, wouldn't they be meeting groups who have already shot the range they are headed to? How would you keep them from passing on info to their buddys?
couldnt you post a couple of range officials at the junction points......and if they talk....they go home......plain and simple......
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I would also think that there would be a lot of complaining when guys have to walk from the last set of 10 targets back to the first set of 10 targets.
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I would also think that there would be a lot of complaining when guys have to walk from the last set of 10 targets back to the first set of 10 targets.
The ranges weren't set up like that. They were all the same distance from the club house.
And I can't believe everyone thinks everyone else cheats. What is our sport coming too.....
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I don't think everyone cheats, but I know that there are some that do. Most of the pros and semi-pros that I know are great people that I doubt would cheat. However, it is a fact that several years ago, cheating was going on, which is why you guys had to shoot 10 at the fairgrounds in the first place. It would make life easier for everyone involved if you could just shoot all 40 at the club grounds and stay away from the fairgrounds. Hopefully they will figure out a way to do that next year.
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