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Holy Smokes · 05-22-2007, 06:15 AM

What are tha pros and cons of tha bt styles(carter) vs tha wrist style(scott)

Do they all require bt

Deezlin · 05-22-2007, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

What are tha pros and cons of tha bt styles(carter) vs tha wrist style(scott)

Do they all require bt

All releases should be shot with back tension. The reason is that increased tension between you hands creates a stabilizing effect which increases your hold.

The major reason for using a hinged back tension release is to eliminated the dreaded punching of the release. Eliminating the trigger is suppose to keep you from anticipating the release. This will allow you to concentrate on aiming until the release all of a sudden fire. This is caused through practice and develops a subconscious "surprise" release.

I have always found that using back tension to be useful. However, I sometimes feel that using a hinged or true back tension release is not. Mainly, because of outside forces. A hinged or true back tension release works great indoors. There is no wind to disturb you and you just have to hold on target until the release fires.

The only real problem I have with the hinged or true back tension releases is in gusty wind conditions. I usually end up trying to force the release to fire because it is impossible to hold constantly on the target and let it "surprise" release. I mainly use thumb releases and once I have settled on the target I pull through fairly quickly. The important thing to do is to keep aiming through the release and to continue the follow through which doesn't really help anything, but only verifies that you did not anticipate the release.

Actually, there are a couple of wrist strap release which would be very good to use. One is produced by Bernie Pellerite and is called the "Can't Punch". It is a modified Scott release and has a special secondary trigger. The secondary trigger is used to keep you from pressing trigger, but allows you to use back tension to fire the release. I removed the secondary trigger several years ago and now use the release as a standard Scotts. It did help me until I over came my punching problem.

The other is the Loesch "True Back Tension" wrist strap release. Now, this is sort of a sweet release, but again, you get back to the problem of dealing with shooting in the wind.

3dshooter80 · 05-22-2007, 08:58 AM

I think that Deezlin hit the nail right on the head. The surprise release is what it is all about. A "pure backtension" release is a great thing if you are shooting on a calm day or indoors where wind is not a problem. A thumb trigger release like the Carter Insatiable that I shoot can also be shot as a back tension release, but offers the ability to trigger the release command style if you encounter windy situations.
The trick is to hook your thumb around the trigger and to pull through the shot. You will actually feel the release rotate in your hand if you allow your hand to "yield" properly as you are pulling through the shot. If you execute it properly, most people watching you shoot will never notice the release rotate as your sense of feel makes you think that the release is moving more than it is.
Many shooters try to find a release of each style that allows them to have a consistent anchor point and therefore a consistent point of impact. This way they can shoot the pure backtension when it is calm and use the thumb trigger when it is more windy.

kbohunt · 05-22-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Deezlin

All releases should be shot with back tension. The reason is that increased tension between you hands creates a stabilizing effect which increases your hold.

The major reason for using a hinged back tension release is to eliminated the dreaded punching of the release. Eliminating the trigger is suppose to keep you from anticipating the release. This will allow you to concentrate on aiming until the release all of a sudden fire. This is caused through practice and develops a subconscious "surprise" release.

I have always found that using back tension to be useful. However, I sometimes feel that using a hinged or true back tension release is not. Mainly, because of outside forces. A hinged or true back tension release works great indoors. There is no wind to disturb you and you just have to hold on target until the release fires.

The only real problem I have with the hinged or true back tension releases is in gusty wind conditions. I usually end up trying to force the release to fire because it is impossible to hold constantly on the target and let it "surprise" release. I mainly use thumb releases and once I have settled on the target I pull through fairly quickly. The important thing to do is to keep aiming through the release and to continue the follow through which doesn't really help anything, but only verifies that you did not anticipate the release.

Actually, there are a couple of wrist strap release which would be very good to use. One is produced by Bernie Pellerite and is called the "Can't Punch". It is a modified Scott release and has a special secondary trigger. The secondary trigger is used to keep you from pressing trigger, but allows you to use back tension to fire the release. I removed the secondary trigger several years ago and now use the release as a standard Scotts. It did help me until I over came my punching problem.

The other is the Loesch "True Back Tension" wrist strap release. Now, this is sort of a sweet release, but again, you get back to the problem of dealing with shooting in the wind.

All releases should not be back tention!
Example: take a back tention get on your knee's pull it full-draw & try to stand up at full-draw & shoot, without it takeing off first.
I shot a nice buck in a broom-straw field like this.
If i were using my back-tention the arrow would have took off before i settled on the deer.
After i got home i thought about it & tried, i couldnt do it!
Smokes, back-tention is great on paper indoors,ok on 3-d out-doors, but hunting with your adreline rushing down your back, i dont think so!

Holy Smokes · 05-22-2007, 09:12 PM

I shoot a wrist style,Scott Itybity goose. I use back tension with it. Ya just got ta develop your own system.

Kbo you shore am right on that huntin' release.

Xman · 05-23-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

All releases should not be back tention!
Example: take a back tention get on your knee's pull it full-draw & try to stand up at full-draw & shoot, without it takeing off first.
I shot a nice buck in a broom-straw field like this.
If i were using my back-tention the arrow would have took off before i settled on the deer.
After i got home i thought about it & tried, i couldnt do it!
Smokes, back-tention is great on paper indoors,ok on 3-d out-doors, but hunting with your adreline rushing down your back, i dont think so!

You might want to re-read his post? He didn't say that all RELEASES should be back tension. He said that all releases should be SHOT WITH back tension.
He agrees with you over trigger releases and yet you argue?

Personally, I use a Carter Chocolate addiction thumb trigger, which I use with Backtension.

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Xman

You might want to re-read his post? He didn't say that all RELEASES should be back tension. He said that all releases should be SHOT WITH back tension.
He agrees with you over trigger releases and yet you argue?

Personally, I use a Carter Chocolate addiction thumb trigger, which I use with Backtension.

I did read it right, and i dont argue!
I stated it wrong.
I dis-agree that all releases should be back tention or shot with back tention while hunting!
If you can hunt on the ground stalking,with a release using back-tention You shoot a back-tention or a release using back-tention way better than i
My apologies!

Xman · 05-23-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

I did read it right, and i dont argue!
I stated it wrong.
I dis-agree that all releases should be back tention or shot with back tention while hunting!
If you can hunt on the ground stalking,with a release using back-tention You shoot a back-tention or a release using back-tention way better than i
My apologies!

Ahh, righto then. Fair enough. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, just thought you had misunderstood.

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 08:13 PM

Dont get me wrong!
I totally agree with his statement,on target archery.
But, SMOKES,(who started the thread) is an avid bowhunter & target shooter
I felt like he was asking about release for all issues of archery.
I shoot a crack-shot with back-tention on 5-spot indoors only
I personaly cant hunt with it!
Thanks,ken

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

Dont get me wrong!
I totally agree with his statement,on target archery.
But, SMOKES,(who started the thread) is an avid bowhunter & target shooter
I felt like he was asking about release for all issues of archery.
I shoot a crack-shot with back-tention on 5-spot indoors only
I personaly cant hunt with it!
Thanks,ken

You 2 sure are playin' nicely together tonight

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

You 2 sure are playin' nicely together tonight

newbie only has three posts when were they fighting and not getting along???

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

newbie only has three posts when were they fighting and not getting along???

You big dummy!

I never said they was fightin
I only commented on how good thay was a doin'

Hey I am tryin' real hard tonight ta be positive
Now don't go and puts words in my hand that ain't there.

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

You big dummy!

I never said they was fightin
I only commented on how good thay was a doin'

Hey I am tryin' real hard tonight ta be positive
Now don't go and puts words in my hand that ain't there.

your a preacher.......why are you TRYING to stay positive......I dont need to tell you how to do your job again.....do I.....

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

your a preacher.......why are you TRYING to stay positive......I dont need to tell you how to do your job again.....do I.....

Yep every now and then it shore is good ta have somebody ta help tha ol man along, thanks Bowman.

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

You big dummy!

I never said they was fightin
I only commented on how good thay was a doin'

Hey I am tryin' real hard tonight ta be positive
Now don't go and puts words in my hand that ain't there.

Yall stop fightin!
Yall actin like the war's gonna break out!

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

Yall stop fightin!
Yall actin like the war's gonna break out!

Ya mean it's over?

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

Ya mean it's over?

After july>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 09:30 PM

and it pains me to say this cuz i hate the Yankees.......but these so called Yankees are gonna drop the south like a bad habit.....in rehab......

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

and it pains me to say this cuz i hate the Yankees.......but these so called Yankees are gonna drop the south like a bad habit.....in rehab......

Like they say!
Dont count ya chickens before they hatch!

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

Like they say!
Dont count ya chickens before they hatch!

they hatched and let me tell you.....this rooster crows every morning.....

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

they hatched and let me tell you.....this rooster crows every morning.....

That ol rooster had better watch his big tom fool mouth fer he's liable ta be eatin' crow

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 09:49 PM

We just gonna have to see which rooster crows the loudest!

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

That ol rooster had better watch his big tom fool mouth fer he's liable ta be eatin' crow

listen preacher.......I dont eat crow.....when you are this good.....

I for one dont have a problem w/my alligator mouth and my cricket rear end....

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

We just gonna have to see which rooster crows the loudest!

you think you are gonna be crowin KBO???

I dont think so....more like CRYING...like a blubbering baby......

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

listen preacher.......I dont eat crow.....when you are this good.....

I for one dont have a problem w/my alligator mouth and my cricket rear end....

We'll see Grasshopper

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

We'll see Grasshopper

padawan..........

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

padawan..........

I just can't find that in tha dictionary so as ta see what you Yankees are talkin' bout me like.

By tha way you forgot my hug.

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

you think you are gonna be crowin KBO???

I dont think so....more like CRYING...like a blubbering baby......

A baby im far from,cryin not lately
I shoot better than you think i do!
Why would you make me cry?

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

A baby im far from,cryin not lately
I shoot better than you think i do!
Why would you make me cry?

Kbo , you must relieaze that your tlakin to tha King of SMACK

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

A baby im far from,cryin not lately
I shoot better than you think i do!
Why would you make me cry?

oh you will see....you will be crying at the shear joy you will recieve from watching me.....a true great....in the flesh, and wackin them 12's......

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

Kbo , you must relieaze that your tlakin to tha King of SMACK

yup thats what me and Blackie are gonna do to you guys......Smack you around a few acres in PA......

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

yup thats what me and Blackie are gonna do to you guys......Smack you around a few acres in PA......

Bring it on big guy

and remember ta bring yore lunch fer it's gonna take ya all day ta do it.

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Smokes

Kbo , you must relieaze that your tlakin to tha King of SMACK

I forgot the king of tha 20yd 5-spot league!

I hope they set them r-100 targets at 50yds and none closer!
Thats where i been shootin!

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

I forgot the king of tha 20yd 5-spot league!

I hope they set them r-100 targets at 50yds and none closer!
Thats where i been shootin!

I am gonna need ta shoot with ya fer i'll be aneedin' ta brorrow yore glasses

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kbohunt

I forgot the king of tha 20yd 5-spot league!
I hope they set them r-100 targets at 50yds and none closer!
Thats where i been shootin!

practicing up for hunting season???gotta shoot from that far cuz you stink....cuz???

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

practicing up for hunting season???gotta shoot from that far cuz you stink....cuz???

OK....

Sic git em KBo!

BUNNYMAN · 05-23-2007, 10:11 PM

come on I was just foolin w/you....you dont smell that bad KBO.......

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

practicing up for hunting season???gotta shoot from that far cuz you stink....cuz???

Nope, got a all pro open ibo this weekend,50yd max.
I wouldnt shoot a deer that far!

Holy Smokes · 05-23-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

come on I was just foolin w/you....you dont smell that bad KBO.......

Sic git em anyway.

kbohunt · 05-23-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BOWMAN

come on I was just foolin w/you....you dont smell that bad KBO.......

You say that after bein in a tent for 3-days in july,probably 100 degrees
Then i'll believe ya!