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Old 05-24-2007, 11:37 AM   #1
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Default Gain of FPS taking off string squishys

Would I gain anything much by taking off the string squishys besides noise that is? Since I don't have a very fast bow I was hoping to gain a little more push for my arrows but I don't want to hurt the bow. My arrows are a bit heavy and I need to work on getting lighter ones but just havn't found the right combo yet. I have some easton a/c/c 3-04 with 100gr tips which fly ok outside...but not sure if they would be good too much lighter outside> Inside I really should be shooting lighter weight ones but the programs never agree on what is right or wrong. I have Duravane 3-d vanes 2.3" and also Vanetec 2.3 to use. HELLPPPP!!

I am shooting 26" and even that is a bit long but not going to go any shorter than that for sure. My Carbon express are fairly heavy but fly really flat and the a/c/c I have to change trajectory and they are almost same weight..go figure. Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm looking at skinny arrows both for outdoors and I use indoors at our range for practice because the big ones eat up the targets pretty fast. The other info on bow etc is in sig.
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Would I gain anything much by taking off the string squishys besides noise that is? Since I don't have a very fast bow I was hoping to gain a little more push for my arrows but I don't want to hurt the bow. My arrows are a bit heavy and I need to work on getting lighter ones but just havn't found the right combo yet. I have some easton a/c/c 3-04 with 100gr tips which fly ok outside...but not sure if they would be good too much lighter outside> Inside I really should be shooting lighter weight ones but the programs never agree on what is right or wrong. I have Duravane 3-d vanes 2.3" and also Vanetec 2.3 to use. HELLPPPP!!

I am shooting 26" and even that is a bit long but not going to go any shorter than that for sure. My Carbon express are fairly heavy but fly really flat and the a/c/c I have to change trajectory and they are almost same weight..go figure. Any suggestions would be welcome. I'm looking at skinny arrows both for outdoors and I use indoors at our range for practice because the big ones eat up the targets pretty fast. The other info on bow etc is in sig.

not that I am recommending them, but you could try those Speed Max Pro's from High Country......I think thats what they are called.....again they are available, but I am not recommending them.....
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My local HCA dealer says don't buy them, they are junk.
I took off my "squishy" ball silencers and gained about 8 fps.
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My local HCA dealer says don't buy them, they are junk.
I took off my "squishy" ball silencers and gained about 8 fps.
Seems that if you can get that speed from a 35# I should be able to from a 38#. What kind of arrows you using and what draw length you got there J.A.G.?
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Take them off, you might gain a little speed!
I shot bows through crono's with & without spider leg's & puff silincer's
The spider legs only robbed 2fps & the puff's 4fps.
If ya want to grab a little take them off!
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I bet I'd gain alot because these that are on this year's bows are big fat rubbery thingys. I was really more worried if the bow would be damaged at all by taking them off. Now the next thing is would those sts things that are side mounted work on my bow? Hmmmmm
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I bet I'd gain alot because these that are on this year's bows are big fat rubbery thingys. I was really more worried if the bow would be damaged at all by taking them off. Now the next thing is would those sts things that are side mounted work on my bow? Hmmmmm
Im sure an sts will fit your bow if ya needed one!
If not i can costume make you one!
Those rubber string silincer's i never liked the look's of but ive never tried to see the fps difference with or without them.
I guess im kinda old school, i shot tournament's with no new gadget's of today & still dont.
I dont even use a drop-away rest, i can get accurate arrow flight without gadget's!
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you wont notice the difference w/ them off. Except that its more noisey!! you might gain 5 fps. give it a try and tell us if you get a big speed difference?
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you wont notice the difference w/ them off. Except that its more noisey!! you might gain 5 fps. give it a try and tell us if you get a big speed difference?
For me even 5FPS might be helpful but I think I could get more who knows. No one has a chrono around here not even the pro shop so it's gonna be by sight of how the arrow hits the target I think. I'm gonna have the shop take them off this weekend, I'm presuming you have to press the bow for that or I could chop them off myself muahhaaahhaaaa
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Hey Chelle, I'm wondering why you are shooting that peak draw with a 100gr point... Did you check FOC with the point weight you are using ? You may be too high on that weight and reducing arrow spine because of that compounding the problem. You may be able to drop that down to 85gr or less with the draw weight and arrow length you have. I would talk with somebody in your local shop and see if that makes sense to investigate.

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From what I understand the thing "squishys" on your Hoyt, actually ad speed, just like "speed balls" or brass nocks on the string near the cam. Best bet is to shoot the bow over a chrono with the squishys and with out and check the speed. The squishys have to up near the cam for best results.
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From what I understand the thing "squishys" on your Hoyt, actually ad speed, just like "speed balls" or brass nocks on the string near the cam. Best bet is to shoot the bow over a chrono with the squishys and with out and check the speed. The squishys have to up near the cam for best results.
You know I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere but not sure...and yes they are up high on the strings close to the cams.
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One thing I feel that these do also is to dampen that string shock from the bow or less shock at tha bow hand. Hope this helps in tha quest ta git tha best out of our equipment. Smokes
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Seems that if you can get that speed from a 35# I should be able to from a 38#. What kind of arrows you using and what draw length you got there J.A.G.?
35# draw, 26.5 draw and 25" GT Ultralight 600's w/50gr. glueins and 3" feathers..put me right at 263fps.. we did experiment with more poundage.. 40# put me at right about 272. Keep in mind this set up is only for 3D.

my other bow is set at 35#, 27" draw, with 26" GT 600's w/80 gr. glueins and it right about 250fps ( i was going to use 50 gr. tips, but it made my bow shoot too fast for ASA) while this is slower than the one above, i think it shoots better because of the arrow weight being alittle heavier.

I think as long as you have good custom strings and your bow is getting its max performance.. then its all about the arrow weight.
the difference in FPS between 35 and 40 pounds is not very much.
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Hey Chelle, I'm wondering why you are shooting that peak draw with a 100gr point... Did you check FOC with the point weight you are using ? You may be too high on that weight and reducing arrow spine because of that compounding the problem. You may be able to drop that down to 85gr or less with the draw weight and arrow length you have. I would talk with somebody in your local shop and see if that makes sense to investigate.

Just a thought.

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Well, let me tell ya...I probably should have gone a little lighter but one program tells me the arrows are marginally stiff and the other says too weak. These are glue in points too so how do I change them if I wanted to? The FOC is actually really good for target and I did ok indoors last time I shot them. Have been out of commission all this week with the arm so hopefully I can try shooting a bit this weekend.

My next venture is where to find anyone that has a chronograph cause the pro shop doesn't and it would be intresting to even know what is going on with my speed not that it matters that much at this point. If I ever wanted to enter any tourney's I'd have to know though.
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Spoke with my "buddys" at Hoyt today and they said I could take off the shocks and to up my "speed" I'd put a couple of nock doo dads bout 1 1/2" below the servings on both ends of the string where it comes from the cams. That will up the speed a bit not sure how much but he said the shocks are really mosly for noise and some vibration but I have lots of vibration stuff on there now so it's worth a try. I'll do that at the shop and if I don't like it I could have them put the squishys back on.
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Chelleo, your mastery of archery terminology confounds me........
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Chelleo, your mastery of archery terminology confounds me........
You must be reading my mind JC because I was actually gonna mention that LOL. You really don't think I'd succumb to using proper terminology when you know what I'm talking about This is much more fun and I forget the terms on occasion when I'm here at work vegetating.
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You must be reading my mind JC because I was actually gonna mention that LOL. You really don't think I'd succumb to using proper terminology when you know what I'm talking about This is much more fun and I forget the terms on occasion when I'm here at work vegetating.
Don't change a thing. We all know exactly what you are talking about....
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I've got those doo dads on mine.. i call them speedballs.. three nocks covered in shrink wrap.. they add about 10 fps.
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I've got those doo dads on mine.. i call them speedballs.. three nocks covered in shrink wrap.. they add about 10 fps.

Doo dads are not the same as squishy thingys......


Doo dads add speed, squishy things reduce string noise. Lets be clear about what we are loosely referencing here...
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Doo dads add speed, squishy things reduce string noise. Lets be clear about what we are loosely referencing here...
exactly, but you can counteract the squishies by adding doo dads.. or just remove the squishies, add the doo dads and it will be even faster..
see? I know what i'm talking about!

now, if i could just get that dillywomper adjusted.
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exactly, but you can counteract the squishies by adding doo dads.. or just remove the squishies, add the doo dads and it will be even faster..
see? I know what i'm talking about!

now, if i could just get that dillywomper adjusted.
I'm sure someone on here would be glad to help you adjust your dillywomper if you asked nicely....
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LOL.. ya think so?
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exactly, but you can counteract the squishies by adding doo dads.. or just remove the squishies, add the doo dads and it will be even faster..
see? I know what i'm talking about!

now, if i could just get that dillywomper adjusted.
Exactly J.A.G. that's what the plan is...remove squishies and add the doo dads...see you understand very well. More noise...(like it is noisy now what more can it do) but more speed weeeee....maybe I'll get up to 200 fps LOL. I have no idea what I'm doing in that area but more speed will get those heavy suckers I'm shooting get to the target better. (I guess suckers must be arrows)Maybe we need to come up with our own little archery lexicon LOL.
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Exactly J.A.G. that's what the plan is...remove squishies and add the doo dads...see you understand very well. More noise...(like it is noisy now what more can it do) but more speed weeeee....maybe I'll get up to 200 fps LOL. I have no idea what I'm doing in that area but more speed will get those heavy suckers I'm shooting get to the target better. (I guess suckers must be arrows)Maybe we need to come up with our own little archery lexicon LOL.
If that is the case, I lost all my suckers at the Bedford IBO last weekend and I need a new dozen suckers.
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If that is the case, I lost all my suckers at the Bedford IBO last weekend and I need a new dozen suckers.
Ok everyone JC needs new suckers so buy some of those sucker covers he sells LOL.
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Well, let me tell ya...I probably should have gone a little lighter but one program tells me the arrows are marginally stiff and the other says too weak. These are glue in points too so how do I change them if I wanted to? The FOC is actually really good for target and I did ok indoors last time I shot them. Have been out of commission all this week with the arm so hopefully I can try shooting a bit this weekend.

My next venture is where to find anyone that has a chronograph cause the pro shop doesn't and it would be intresting to even know what is going on with my speed not that it matters that much at this point. If I ever wanted to enter any tourney's I'd have to know though.
JAG made my point more clear than I did. I think your arrow is really heavy because of the point (at least). For indoor 5 spot I shoot a 29" Fatboy with 85gr screw in points and shoot a 29" draw at 60#. Those suckers fly right and the spine is pretty much right on according to Easton.

As far as removing glue-in points from carbon or ACC shafts I have no clue. I've stayed away from that since aluminum arrow days since you can't heat carbon the way you could alloy.

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Hey JAG on that Dillywomper...Just tighten it till it strips and back it off a quarter turn...Hope that helps...
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JAG made my point more clear than I did. I think your arrow is really heavy because of the point (at least). For indoor 5 spot I shoot a 29" Fatboy with 85gr screw in points and shoot a 29" draw at 60#. Those suckers fly right and the spine is pretty much right on according to Easton.

As far as removing glue-in points from carbon or ACC shafts I have no clue. I've stayed away from that since aluminum arrow days since you can't heat carbon the way you could alloy.

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For indoor spots I shoot 525g Easton Eclipse X7s out of an Ovation shooting at 55lbs! I thing my points are 150g......

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Hey JAG on that Dillywomper...Just tighten it till it strips and back it off a quarter turn...Hope that helps...
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dont listen to silly bow....you have to stop just before it strips....if it strips its too tight....

I hate when my dillywhowho gets wound to tight.....
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dont listen to silly bow....you have to stop just before it strips....if it strips its too tight....

I hate when my dillywhowho gets wound to tight.....
Now wait a minute...
She was askin about a dillywomper...a dillywhowho is a totally different story...
and overtightening is only an issue when you're are messing with you weasledavitz...
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Now wait a minute...
She was askin about a dillywomper...a dillywhowho is a totally different story...
and overtightening is only an issue when you're are messing with you weasledavitz...
your all Padawans.....
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Do you really know what a Padawan is Bowman?? I could ask George to come explain to you the deep dark secrets on that next time I see him. I have actually talked with him on several occasions. I drive by Skywalker ranch fairly often but when you see him at the mall eating Thai food and no one even looks twice at him, you know he's at home.
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I thought a padawan was somethin to grill!
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