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Old 06-23-2007, 01:26 AM   #1
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I am fairly new to building my own arrows (I have done about 3 doz.) and havent had any problems. on the last dozen I did, some of the inserts have not held. I use 5 minute appoxy. I have always used this glue without a problem. If anyone has any suggestions for different glue , or a possible reason for the failure please let me know. any advise is greatly apprieciated.
all I can think is that when I cleaned the inside of th shaft with acetone, maybe not all af it dried or somthing.
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:06 AM   #2
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Try using a 24 hour cure epoxy. Some of the fast setting epoxys dry on the brittle side. The slow cure ones don't get so brittle and tend to adhere better.

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Old 06-23-2007, 09:10 AM   #3
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Goat Tuff glue......
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:16 AM   #4
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Goat Tuff glue......
You can use that for inserts ?

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Old 06-23-2007, 09:25 AM   #5
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I have.... Should I not have???

WP_bowmaster sold me the crap. It hasn't failed me yet...
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:26 AM   #6
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I use Powerbond. It's slow curing so it gives you plenty of time to tune broadheads and such. It's also heat reversible.
Do you scuff up the i.d.? That definately helps with adhesion.
Also when you install the insert, put a dab of glue on the insert and screw it into the arrow. This action helps distribute glue all the way around the insert along the entire length of it.
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:27 AM   #7
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I don't know. I just use slow cure epoxy.
If Goat Tuff works, I'll forget the 24 hour epoxy.
Quicker gratification that way...

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Any glue will probably work. It won't be heat reversible though. That may or may not matter.
You also need to spin test your broadheads a lot quicker before the glue sets up.

IMO, I've never needed arrows that fast where I couldn't wait a day for the Powerbond to set up.
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:42 AM   #9
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I guess it's more of an issue of having 2 different glues as opposed to one in my tool box. I also use Axis arrows for hunting and they have the hidden inserts. I'm not sure you could do anything to apply heat and back those suckers out without damaging the shaft.

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What about the ol' hot melt. I just started building arrow and I haven't had any problems. I've had to pull them out of some hatefull things.
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Old 06-23-2007, 11:41 PM   #11
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Try using a 24 hour cure epoxy. Some of the fast setting epoxys dry on the brittle side. The slow cure ones don't get so brittle and tend to adhere better.

Good luck.

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This would be your best bet. Goat tough seems to get real brittle during cold weather, kinda breaks like crazy glue and hot melt won't hold up for very long itself. Sure it will hold for awhile, but you can't beat the slow cure epoxy.
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the quick epoxy is junk. don't buy it.

the heat stick stuff looks like a big stick of tree sap, you heat the insert up and roll it in the gunk then shove it in works well....

but Goat Tuff is where its at.... but make sure you insert the point quickly into a clean shaft and do it QUICKLY! Otherwise the goat tuff will harden before its in the arrow.

I've had no issue with Goat Tuff inserts pulling out ever.

The only way to get one out is to either break the arrow around it or heat it w/ a blowtorch and pull really hard.

btw - "Cold' for me is around freezing... much colder then that and I ain't target shooting
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:17 AM   #13
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It sound's like the same old debateing going on about which is best!

Let me give it a try!
On alluminum: Inserts-Ferr-L-Tite, hotmelt
On carbon: inserts loctite, quick set, 5min, 2 part epoxy
On feathers on alluminum: Fletch-tite
On feathers on carbon: Steel Force, beyond bond
On vanes on alluminum: fletch-tite
On vanes on carbon: Steel Force, beyond bond
This is what i use to build arrows with, it may not work for some!
It works for me and the arrows i have built for people in the past!
No complaints!

Ive also been testing the Steel force,beyond bond on fixed blade broad heads on cedar arrows,for recurve shooters, No problems yet!
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It sound's like the same old debateing going on about which is best!

Let me give it a try!
On alluminum: Inserts-Ferr-L-Tite, hotmelt
On carbon: inserts loctite, quick set, 5min, 2 part epoxy
On feathers on alluminum: Fletch-tite
On feathers on carbon: Steel Force, beyond bond
On vanes on alluminum: fletch-tite
On vanes on carbon: Steel Force, beyond bond
This is what i use to build arrows with, it may not work for some!
It works for me and the arrows i have built for people in the past!
No complaints!

Ive also been testing the Steel force,beyond bond on fixed blade broad heads on cedar arrows,for recurve shooters, No problems yet!
So, the 5 min stuff works okay on points? I keep reading you should use the 24 hr stuff...but if the points stay in I guess minutes don't matter...
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:43 PM   #15
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So, the 5 min stuff works okay on points? I keep reading you should use the 24 hr stuff...but if the points stay in I guess minutes don't matter...
I use it on inserts, not points!
The red 2 part 5minute epoxy that you mix.
Thats what i use on inserts in carbon.
Havent had a problem, been using it a long time!
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Goat Tuff gets my vote.
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:31 AM   #17
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I checked out the Powerbond... Sounds like a good candidate. Plus, it's only 1 part so you don't have to mix...

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Old 06-25-2007, 12:34 PM   #18
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thanks everyone. i'm gonna try a few and see wich works out for me. your pearls of widome are very apprieciated.
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