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Old 07-01-2007, 06:05 PM   #1
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Default Arrow insert weight?

well after having a horrible day (skill wise) I realized I need SPEED!!!

and if I shoot a light enough arrow I may be able to get a little back, I'm looking to shoot a 29" arrow as close to 300 grains as possible.

So my big question is how much will the insert weigh? I'm seriously looking at the Victory arrows but I want to make sure that they will spine out correctly.

Here is my bow info:

05 Ovation at 58 pounds w/ a 30" draw length.
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:59 PM   #2
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Dredly why don't you download or buy Archer's Advantage or On Target....then you can mess with all that stuff all you want. I kind of prefer the AA one, seems to work better for me. It's helped me tons figureing out all this stuff. Doesn't the arrow website have the weights etc for the components, cause that is where you need to start and find out what is actually offered.
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:11 AM   #3
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From what Jay Are said, it's more than just speed you need. I heard you need High Heels to go with the skirt for the R-100.
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:33 AM   #4
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I have the software already and I'm using it, but I need to know the weight of a standard insert so that I can determine the weight of the insert. Normally I don't care as I'm shooting well above the 5 GPP limit however now I'm trying to come in as close as possible

According to OnTarget if I shoot an arrow that is right at 5 gpp or a little above I should be able to break 280 fps which is approx 40 fps faster then what I'm shooting now.

I like the Victory shafts, a dozen for less then 80 bucks, good tolerances and it looks like pretty good quality and weight. So I need to know the weight of an insert so that I can build the arrows I need
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:49 AM   #5
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Your best bet will be to call them when they get in this morning since their in CA...

http://www.victoryarchery.com/contact.aspx
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:15 AM   #6
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does victory have the weights wrong on the Xringer??

a .350 spine weighs less than a .250 per inch????
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does victory have the weights wrong on the Xringer??

a .350 spine weighs less than a .250 per inch????
What does a fricken insert weigh!

I'm looking at the Victory HV V3 shafts cut to 30 inches w/ 75 grain points but I need to know how much a standard insert weighs to give me an idea of what the FOC will be and if they will spine correctly.

I'm looking at a .400 spine. According to OnTarget my perfect spine would be .4061

the Victory VForce HV V3 comes in under 100.00 for the complete arrow from Ye Olde Archery. its +-.003, 400 spine and should fit my needs perfectly

but I need to know the weight of a standard insert!
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:46 AM   #8
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What does a fricken insert weigh!

I'm looking at the Victory HV V3 shafts cut to 30 inches w/ 75 grain points but I need to know how much a standard insert weighs to give me an idea of what the FOC will be and if they will spine correctly.

I'm looking at a .400 spine. According to OnTarget my perfect spine would be .4061

the Victory VForce HV V3 comes in under 100.00 for the complete arrow from Ye Olde Archery. its +-.003, 400 spine and should fit my needs perfectly

but I need to know the weight of a standard insert!
I think you should maybe contact Summers eve....the gloves are too tight...

I believe it is about 15-17 grains......but why not get glue in target points???
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I'm thinking that's a good idea

I'll use 90 grain glue in points

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/g...ts-p-1964.html

w/ Victory HV V3 arrows

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/v...ws-p-5795.html

and I'm thinking I'll finish them off with some lovely black Blazers.

thoughts?

Total weight should come in around 311.2 grains and according to OnTarget I should hit 285.7 FPS

FOC is 7.23% which is supposed to be good for 3-D shooting I guess
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I'm thinking that's a good idea

I'll use 90 grain glue in points

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/g...ts-p-1964.html

w/ Victory HV V3 arrows

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/v...ws-p-5795.html

and I'm thinking I'll finish them off with some lovely black Blazers.

thoughts?

Total weight should come in around 311.2 grains and according to OnTarget I should hit 285.7 FPS

FOC is 7.23% which is supposed to be good for 3-D shooting I guess
I guess you will be getting Black nocks with those too --- since you want to be like the coool kids!
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I guess you will be getting Black nocks with those too --- since you want to be like the coool kids!
The thought definately crossed my mind. I'll be shooting black mini-blazers as well
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:02 AM   #12
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I'm thinking that's a good idea

I'll use 90 grain glue in points

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/g...ts-p-1964.html

w/ Victory HV V3 arrows

http://www.yeoldearcheryshoppe.com/v...ws-p-5795.html

and I'm thinking I'll finish them off with some lovely black Blazers.

thoughts?

Total weight should come in around 311.2 grains and according to OnTarget I should hit 285.7 FPS

FOC is 7.23% which is supposed to be good for 3-D shooting I guess
the X-ringers are fatter, and dont cost that much more.... plus they are light....
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the X-ringers are fatter, and dont cost that much more.... plus they are light....
the X-ringers also don't come in .400 spine. Its either .350 or .250. Nothing in the range I'm looking for. In order for them to spine right I'd have to add lots of weight which defeats the purpose.
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the X-ringers also don't come in .400 spine. Its either .350 or .250. Nothing in the range I'm looking for. In order for them to spine right I'd have to add lots of weight which defeats the purpose.
no....you would have to take weight off of the tip.....to make them stiffer.....so they would be even lighter....
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plus you can play w/the poundage to get them perfect.....
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plus you can play w/the poundage to get them perfect.....
- I take weight off the tip it means I need an even higher spine rating,

- I don't want to drop the draw weight as I want the speed

- I would need to add weight to the back.. and a lot of weight at that which once again ruins the purpose of the new ultra-light arrows.
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- I take weight off the tip it means I need an even higher spine rating,

- I don't want to drop the draw weight as I want the speed

- I would need to add weight to the back.. and a lot of weight at that which once again ruins the purpose of the new ultra-light arrows.
NO you mo.......if you take weight of the tip, it makes the arrow stiffer....isnt that what you want....
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NO you mo.......if you take weight of the tip, it makes the arrow stiffer....isnt that what you want....
I'm already looking to shoot a .400. According to OnTarget the more i lower the tip weight the higher the spine number goes (which means the weaker the spine... right?
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I'm already looking to shoot a .400. According to OnTarget the more i lower the tip weight the higher the spine number goes (which means the weaker the spine... right?
depends on the company.....

CX 250 is a weaker spine than a 350........
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By lowering the weight on the front of an arrow, the stiffer the arrow becomes!
By increasing the weight on the front, the arrow, bends under the preasure of the bow being shot.Which causes poor arrow flight!
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