We'll the Hoyt rep was here last night with a pile of the new bows. We already had the katera's in stock so that was nothing new. But the Vantage X7 with the cam.5 plus was really a nice shooter. For a longer axle bow I expected more vibration and hand shock. There was some but not what you expect from such a long bow. I was really impressed by this bow. The Cam.5 plus pulls like a C2 and has a harder wall than the old Cam.5 did. So basically you have a C2 with adjustable draw length which is good. I'll be doing some katera speed tests soon and will keep you up to date.