ok soo look...me and my neighbor were experimenting last week...with boiling stuff. we boiled pine tree limbs...we sat 40 yards from each otehr...we both sprayed ourselves with it...and there deer come running out of no where and start sniffing..heads all high and that good stuff. im experimenting with apples right now. im going to try them tomrrow. but if you have pine trees around..consider boiling them. they do wonders...just take and put them in a spray bottle.