Arrow Advice Needed

Discussion in 'General Archery Forum' started by Bochim, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. Bochim

    Bochim Junior Member

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    For any of you who use light arrows or know about them: I need to achieve 280 FPS pulling less than 54#'s so I need a light arrow with my bow. I used Lightspeed 3D's this year and was ok with them. On another forum I was told there were better light arrows out there but not which ones. I recently tried Victory but don't think they are the answer.
    Do any of you have any recommendations? Thanks in advance.
    Bochim
     
  2. BUNNYMAN

    BUNNYMAN I pray for you!

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    What bow is it, what is the IBO rating??

    whats your draw length?? Current arrow weight??

    why do you need to achieve 280???
     

  3. pred8er

    pred8er He who eats fuzzy animals

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    Depending on what weight arrow your shooting now, a lighter arrow may not be the answer. You CAN go too light and end up damaging your bow. Bunny asked some good questions. Answer those and we'll be able to help you more!
     
  4. Bochim

    Bochim Junior Member

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    Questions answered

    Ok, My bow is a Hoyt Seven37 at 54#, 28" draw length. IBO on the bow is a very conservative (in my opinion) 315 fps. 284 FPS is achieved with the Lightspeed 3D arrows at 320 grains. The speed is for ASA tournaments.
    I am looking for an arrow between 6 and 6.5 grains per inch at a spine of 400 to 500.
    Thanks,
    Bochim
     
  5. red44

    red44 Senior Member

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  6. J.C.

    J.C. New Member

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    why are you changing from the lightspeeds?
     
  7. Captain19

    Captain19 Grim Reaper of the Foam

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    Well I have spent some time with my spine selection program (On Target2) Though you are searching for light weight you have to select an arrow with correct spine. You also must have a finished arrow that weighs at least 5 gr. per pound of draw weight. If you go less than 5 you are beating on the bow. With that in mind You are going to be hard pressed to achieve 280 fps. The fact that your pulling 54# makes it very hard throughout most of the bows available. The lightest arrow with a good matching spine for you as far as acheiving 280 was a Victory VForce V6 200, and Carbon Tech Cheetah Hunter 35/60. But you said you were not fond of Victory and Carbon tech is not exactly "one of the best". So the next lightest from those is Carbon express Maxima 150. Bare Shaft @ 27" weighs in at 170.6 gr = 266.5fps. The next best arrow is Light speed 3D @ 27" comes in at 176.3 gr.= 263.1fps. The speed numbers are just a reference to exemplefy the gain. Actual speed will differ. So for the little bit of gain it may be wise to stay where your at.
     
  8. Bochim

    Bochim Junior Member

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    Good point

    I am beginning to ask myself that same question!!
    Bochim
     
  9. NerdHick

    NerdHick New Member

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    This thread has me confused!!

    If you're looking for a lighter arrow you'll get even faster won't you, and you're saying you need to be below 280 for the ASA shoot? If you're shooting 284 with what you've got now I'd say your pretty close, maybe add a little weight to your current arrow and you'll be set.

    No need to change anything IMO, if I got the facts straight...but I'm sick so maybe I'm just in left field...

    me
     
  10. bfisher

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    Captain,

    How does the Gold Tip Ultralite Pro 500 fit in here? I know at his specs the 500 might be a little light in the spine department, but if just for 3D it might work. I shoot them at 27" with 80 grain target tip, 3 2" duravanes, and they weigh in at 267 grains total arrow weight. Right at the 5 gr/lb minimum if he would want to shoot IBO.

    I don't know everything, but if he wants a larger diameter arrow he could pop up to a GT UL 22 series. I have these at 27", 80 gr glue-ins, 4" feathers and they weigh in at right around 300 grains. They're mighty stiff for my bow (53#, 27" draw), but curiously they tune pretty well. I even get away with broadheads with them.

    If the weight is close I can't see the reason to change from the Litespeeds, though. I shot them a few years ago and they are pretty decent arrows. They speced out a lot better than advertised for straightness and weight.

    I'm also at a loss as to why Bochim is looking for more speed. At 284 he's pretty much where he should be. Close to the 288 fps max. Not much to be gained by going faster except maybe a DQ if the chrono goes over the 288 max.
     
  11. Mathews Man

    Mathews Man Foam Killer

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    not to be pushy but if your arrows are shooting well, speed sound good, I would leave well enough alone. I shoot at 260 fps but I konw if my yardage estmation is right and my pin is on I will hit a 11 everytime. I just cant keep my pin on the 11 everytime:Cry:

    I have fooled around with alot of stuff on my bow as far as speed goes and always seam to come back to where I started. But That is just IMHO. happy shooting.
     
  12. Bochim

    Bochim Junior Member

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    I find myself confused on occasion by a variety of things, and I always appreciate replies to my few posts.

    I am not looking for a lighter arrow, necessarily, just a different one if a better one is available.

    No, I don't need to be below 280 fps.

    Bochim
     
  13. SinGin

    SinGin Banned

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    Have you looked at the Gold Tip Ultralight Series 22 yet??
     
  14. Bochim

    Bochim Junior Member

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    Actually, no, I'll check them out, thanks.
    Steve
     
  15. Mathews Man

    Mathews Man Foam Killer

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    Are you looking for a linecutter? If so I shoot the Gold Tip X-Cutter, Pros are 001- 7.8 GPI - Ultra light X-cutters are .005 -7.8 GPI
     
  16. Captain19

    Captain19 Grim Reaper of the Foam

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    Well Carbon Express, Gold Tip, and Easton are all good arrows so I guess it's upto you. It's a chevy or ford thing I like Carbon Express and a Gold tip may shoot just as well but I got what was available and it works good. I guess just look at what the majority of the winning pro's shoot and maybe that will be a good indicator. (As long as there not there sponsor....LOL) Good Luck
     
  17. Captain19

    Captain19 Grim Reaper of the Foam

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    I was just looking at what spined at 27" with the least weight. (considering his 28" draw you can go about 1" less). I did this cause I was confused and thought he wanted a Lighter arrow too. I did'nt notice your arrow it may have spined but may not have been 1 of the lightest. If you ever want me too check anything on my program by all means ask I will be happy to do it for anyone.
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2008
  18. TEN RING

    TEN RING ONE SHOT ONE KILL

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    Have you looked at the high country 5.5 if you cut them to 29'' they would be closes :decision:
     
  19. Captain19

    Captain19 Grim Reaper of the Foam

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    I checked Bochim's setup to the High Country 5.5 and at 29" the spine is extremely stiff. If I am not mistaken they are 40 Ton carbon which allows them to be thin wall and yet strong because of it they are really stiff. Even pulling 70 Lbs with a 125gr. tip they are .070" stiff. I would'nt recomend it based on the spine. I have'nt heard too much about these arrows other than the stories of blowing up bows because they are to light.
     
  20. TEN RING

    TEN RING ONE SHOT ONE KILL

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    I try them shoting 60lb and grouped good 2'' groups @ 40 yards 28'' 268 grains 75 grains tip just a little to light for my set up