And who is the highest bidder? Maybe it is just me, but I shoot way better with 4'' vanes. How tight should the fob be around the shaft? I ordered standard size for my gold tip hunters(as starrflight recomended), but there is some wobble between them and the shaft-maybe that is the problem? It could be that I shoot straight vanes and get less drop than the fobs 4 degree offset? Most of my shots did end up low, 6 inches off center..but if these cause so much drag at 20 YARDS what good are they? Of the last 2 volleys I shot at my morrel target, one vaned arrow hit the 1/2 black center and the other hit the red circle both times...the fobs barely hit inside the circle BELOW my target. And yes, my QAD is dropping fast enough. Maybe I just cannot see a difference because I am not past 30 yards, but the way they shoot at 20, I don't feel like shooting one past the target and losing a 7$ shaft to try that distance.